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Kaiju Cage Match posted:https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/europe/germany-lockdown-covid-restrictions-intl/index.html Literally just happened when I sent a screenshot to a friend in France. "I feel like the jews of yesterday..."
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Colonel Cancer posted:Just shave the outline of the mask into whatever disgusting goonbeard ya got Last time we got on this topic someone posted a pic of a 19th Century low-drop neckbeard style that would have been compliant since it basically just looked like a fuzzy turtleneck.
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Ever since I got that Buff mask I can't go back to ear loops. So I'm thinking this Blue Lagoon one from Etsy or also this Navy one from Etsy. Maybe both. Can't have enough masks!
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Welp. After several attempts to stick it to the (HR) man, it looks like my company is standing by their “you don’t have to wear a mask while at your desk” policy. 🙄 I really couldn’t believe this HR lady explaining to the entire Americas group the logic of “well people are already going to the grocery store, movies, etc without masks so this really shouldn’t be that much different.” I just…. I mean… I know our headquarters is basically in a red state but jesus really?! T minus one week till I’m supposed to go back…
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Anyone have any good data on the r-value for Omicron? I'm seeing anywhere from 1.47-2, but that doesn't track if it's more infectious than Delta, which is anywhere between 5-9 according to reports I'm reading
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Reposted from another thread... Lmao https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1466437373445783557?t=-nyZJMM7DbBOdWXOIZcdsg&s=19 Notably, he got it somewhere between Nov 19-21 domestically. So yeah that's confirmed community spread in the United States, no?
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Pennywise the Frown posted:By time we find it of course it has already been spreading. Yes if your testing infrastructure is dog poo poo this will always be true.
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Pryor on Fire posted:Yes if your testing infrastructure is dog poo poo this will always be true. 
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Pryor on Fire posted:Yes if your testing infrastructure is dog poo poo this will always be true. It's not just testing. The dude in hotel quarantine in Hong Kong popped positive on the fourth day. You need rigorous testing and ruthlessly enforced quarantining upon arrival. The absence of the latter is why Delta defeated every government on Earth except for China.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/europe/germany-lockdown-covid-restrictions-intl/index.html No one should be allowed to prevent Nurgle Plague cultist like behavior
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Pennywise the Frown posted:edit: I give myself a hitler stache every time I shave. Not because I want to, but when I shave my mustache I start out on the sides and work in. I feel bad so I do it quickly. I saw a comedian back in the 90s who had a bit about deliberately starting at the middle and working out *just in case* he died of a heart attack mid-shave, meaning his death would be reported as "Secret nazi and comedian dies" and I've never shaved any other way since I heard it. Speaking of cloth masks - I've been using one with an insertable (and disposable, obviously) PM2.5 filter for like 18 months now[1]. I know it's not as good as a properly-fitted N95 or similar but it's considerably more convenient and cheaper than replacing the whole mask daily, and I assume it's *considerably* better than a standard cloth mask simply because it does actually filter out quite a lot of smells[2] - the shape of the mask means when it's fitted right inhaling creates a pretty good seal against the nose and mouth. The only real drawback is that with the three fairly thick layers it's quite muffling when you try to talk, and also pretty sweaty, but it suits my needs pretty well. [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08TMKX9GL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 is the mask, and https://www.amazon.co.uk/Activated-...08FB77HW2&psc=1 are the filters - the other thing I like about it compared to either surgical masks or any N95 I've tried the nose wire is considerably stronger, so I don't get the nose jets anything like as bad unless I'm talking [2] And really if London is anything it's one extended fit test. Can't smell the melange of diesel, dodgy restaurants and Victorian sewers? Mask is working.
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Darth TNT posted:Just how I look at it. You can get a serious breakthrough infection though. Where are you getting the information that it doesn't do much? Also I have read that even asymptomatic infections in pregnant women can clause clots in the placenta, but I need to dig that back up. Beachcomber posted:That is very upsetting and must be very hard for you. Thanks everyone, I appreciate the feedback that I'm not acting crazy with these concerns. He is honest with me about what he's planning on doing at least, so I go to the other apartment (which is fully furnished and has most of my stuff) whenever I want to. It would be so great to have data on the effects of a breakthrough infection for fully vaccinated pregnant people, but I guess it's a little soon to expect it.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Anyone have any good data on the r-value for Omicron? I'm seeing anywhere from 1.47-2, but that doesn't track if it's more infectious than Delta, which is anywhere between 5-9 according to reports I'm reading Nobody will know poo poo until it starts spreading in large populations. Take whatever a twitter checkmark says based on "looking at the proteins" with a huge grain of salt.
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Tiny Timbs posted:Nobody will know poo poo until it starts spreading in large populations. Take whatever a twitter checkmark says based on "looking at the proteins" with a huge grain of salt. Goes for double if they are wearing a bow tie in their picture.
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Gio posted:covid is airborne. wear a respirator or rawdog it, theres no point in wearing anything less. Is there a study of different efficacy of types of masks? It doesn't seem intuitive that wearing even a cloth mask does literally nothing to help prevent the spread or protect the wearer at all.
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Gio posted:covid is airborne. wear a respirator or rawdog it, theres no point in wearing anything less. Citation needed
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A Strange Aeon posted:Is there a study of different efficacy of types of masks? It doesn't seem intuitive that wearing even a cloth mask does literally nothing to help prevent the spread or protect the wearer at all.
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Crackbone posted:Citation needed most cloth masks i see for sure dont do poo poo or are so highly ineffective i dont see the point. no i dont have a study to back that up, just common sense. surgical masks are acceptable source control but are not rated to filter the air around you. from what ive read they still provide some degree of personal protection. but again—why? half the people (or more) are rawdogging it in public places. that means theres no source control there, and the only thing protecting you from them is cloth. its delusional to convince yourself, “well at least im doing something.”
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Gio posted:covid is airborne. wear a respirator or rawdog it, theres no point in wearing anything less. This is nonsense. The better the mask, the better the filtration. It goes Respirator > Surgical > Cloth in terms of efficacy. I can't find the study but iirc I'm fully vaxxed and feel safe in a surgical mask when I go for a quick shop. If I'm anywhere more than 10 mins I use my N95 5-layer cloth mask with replaceable filter. e: Here's some numbers from the EPA:   https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19 Another Bill fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Gio posted:most cloth masks i see for sure dont do poo poo or are so highly ineffective i dont see the point. no i dont have a study to back that up, just common sense. surgical masks are acceptable source control but are not rated to filter the air around you. from what ive read they still provide some degree of personal protection. 
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Gio posted:half the people (or more) are rawdogging it in public places. that means theres no source control there, and the only thing protecting you from them is cloth. its delusional to convince yourself, “well at least im doing something.” You're right, a regular cloth or paper mask doesn't protect you, at least not very well. Your mask protects the people around you, from you. They're for catching droplets that are breathed directly into them, and not so much for filtering the inbound air. Your mask protects me, my mask protects you. This is why the anti-maskers are so infuriating. By not wearing one, they aren't taking chances with their own safety, they're taking chances with yours. e: If you want a mask to protect you, the wearer, upgrade to an N95 or similar. Powered Descent fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Powered Descent posted:You're right, a regular cloth or paper mask doesn't protect you, at least not very well. Your mask protects the people around you, from you. They're for catching droplets that are breathed directly into them, and not so much for filtering the inbound air. Your mask protects me, my mask protects you. so then i would assume people who wear cloth masks only care about protecting others and are unconcerned with themselves? is this some performative altruism? the best way to protect others is to not get infected in the first place, so wear a respirator.
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Gio posted:no i dont have a study to back that up, just common sense. Lol.
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Gio posted:so then i would assume people who wear cloth masks only care about protecting others and are unconcerned with themselves? is this some performative altruism? You're absolutely right, cloth or paper masks aren't as good. But that doesn't mean they're useless.
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Was Darth Vader's breathing apparatus N95 rated? That's the respirator I want.
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Cloth masks are more comfortable and cheaper since they aren't disposable like n95s. I don't think it's a mystery why people who got vaccinated and don't have symptoms would don a cloth mask instead of a respirator, even if the respirator offers better protection.
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compshateme85 posted:You can get a serious breakthrough infection though. Where are you getting the information that it doesn't do much? You are so vulnerable when pregnant that I would seriously consider severing from a partner that doesn't take it seriously.
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Throughout the whole pandemic, save for perhaps the first couple of months, I’ve always read and heard that any mask is better than no mask, and that masks protect you from other people as well. Here’s an article for example: https://www.nytimes.com/article/covid-masks-protection-stats.htmlquote:A study from Tokyo tested how well different types of masks protected the wearer from actual coronavirus particles. The study showed that even a simple cotton mask offered some protection (17 to 27 percent) to the wearer.
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Dog on Fire posted:Throughout the whole pandemic, save for perhaps the first couple of months, I’ve always read and heard that any mask is better than no mask, and that masks protect you from other people as well. Here’s an article for example: https://www.nytimes.com/article/covid-masks-protection-stats.html But is that just for the wearer? I don't wear mine to protect me.
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compshateme85 posted:You can get a serious breakthrough infection though. Where are you getting the information that it doesn't do much? I'd need to dig up sources. I was certain I either read in the local news or saw it on some local talk show that (barring edge cases like imuno compromised and people above 50) generally the vaccin was good at keeping a serious infection from happening. Not that you're immune, but that you would generally at least not end up in the hospital any more. I have read the article about the asymptomatic infections as well. However, the versions I read referred mostly to the first wave of Corona and pointed to unvaccinated women. Link in Dutch I'm afraid, but it links through to some UK, Spanish and US research near halfway of the text That said, please please don't take what I said as me telling you to take it easy on any and all basic counter measures such as social distancing. I'm just trying to not make you more stressed out while still keeping to the rules. I would never take any risk with an unborn child. I remember how paranoid me and my wife were around our own and it wasn't even COVID period back then. Take the precautions that allow you to feel the most relaxed.
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I don't get the quibbling here. Yes, some mask is better than no mask, but given that we seem to be (entering a new phase/restarting) of the pandemic and that N95's are widely available to all, shouldn't you use the best mask you can get?
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:I don't get the quibbling here. Yes, some mask is better than no mask, but given that we seem to be (entering a new phase/restarting) of the pandemic and that N95's are widely available to all, shouldn't you use the best mask you can get? Mainly to not create so much trash with the single-use masks vOv I guess this all depends also very much on the population density of where one happens to live though (among a million other things).
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