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CaptainJuan
Oct 15, 2008

Thick. Juicy. Tender.

Imagine cutting into a Barry White Song.
lol. one of my chapter's delegates was absent from the majority of convention sessions and didn't provide our delegation chair notice so they couldn't add an alternate. and this guy is on the chapter steering committee. great

e: and another person missed literally every single session? jesus christ

CaptainJuan has issued a correction as of 21:07 on Aug 9, 2021

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Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo

Odds Nick Mullen is in the CIA?

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Chuka Umana posted:

Odds Nick Mullen is in the CIA?

100%

The Lemondrop Dandy
Jun 7, 2007

If my memory serves me correctly...


Wedge Regret
I was a first-time delegate and I thought the convention was good overall for the resolutions, but fact that some good people didn't get in the NPC was a bummer. Desiree and Kevin shoulda made it in.

The push towards state-level organizing and the childcare/preschool for all resolutions were good and I was happy to see internationalism get reaffirmed.

Also, I think DSA is overall cool and good.

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Chuka Umana posted:

Odds Nick Mullen is in the CIA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6WPxza6YDQ

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

https://twitter.com/DSAEmerge/status/1428390234501390341

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
so did the convention finally decided to stop being democrats or are y'all going to flail around ineffectively for another 2 years

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
https://twitter.com/kittyflandre/status/1429585447437496321
this is interesting. i had no idea that my chapter, dsa sf, is the highest per-capita membership of any chapter. probably mostly due to the chapter only covering the city itself while chapters like atlanta cover about 1/3 of the entire state. it does explain how effective the chapter has been though.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Raskolnikov38 posted:

so did the convention finally decided to stop being democrats or are y'all going to flail around ineffectively for another 2 years

man the convention must have been so great that this thread died

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

our chapter has rejected any participation in electoralism in favor of working with tenants to stop evictions. I’m kinda surprised this sort of thing isn’t more common considering America infrastructure is in a state of total collapse and Covid is a crisis that will never end. heard some of the southern chapters are doing hurricane relief though

CaptainJuan
Oct 15, 2008

Thick. Juicy. Tender.

Imagine cutting into a Barry White Song.
Hey let's contribute to the BCTGM Nabisco strike funds. the contract offer is a loving insult

https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1438611046126653443?s=19

Here's the one for Chicago. Anyone got Portland, Richmond, Atlanta?

https://www.gofundme.com/f/bctgm-local-1-strike-support

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo
Can I just point out how hilarious it is that former arch Trotskyist Eric Blanc (who I've unfortunately met) is the one fighting hardest against any break from the Dems?

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

Chuka Umana posted:

Can I just point out how hilarious it is that former arch Trotskyist Eric Blanc (who I've unfortunately met) is the one fighting hardest against any break from the Dems?

the CPUSA is the only American leftist org to enjoy fraternal relationships with the CPC and every year their top officials go on a week long meeting with CPC leaders in Beijing to discuss the international situation of communism and their American organizing largely consists of canvassing for Biden/local dem candidates.

I guess the joke will be on us when this shithole collapses and they suddenly are bombing us in J20s and driving T99 tanks

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
dsa's IC is putting up a big panel on monday with vijay prashad and other speakers that's gonna be about opposing the cold war with china

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Chuka Umana posted:

Can I just point out how hilarious it is that former arch Trotskyist Eric Blanc (who I've unfortunately met) is the one fighting hardest against any break from the Dems?
sounds like an op op

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Ferrinus posted:

dsa's IC is putting up a big panel on monday with vijay prashad and other speakers that's gonna be about opposing the cold war with china

i should probably actually link it

https://twitter.com/DSA_Intl_Comm/status/1437836342025666567?s=20

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





but china should absolutely endeavor to isolate the US and put pressure on its regime

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
My chapter is putting on a thing about China tomorrow as well:
https://twitter.com/DSA_SF/status/1438532895501692929

also the workplace we organized was officially recognized a week ago:
https://twitter.com/UnionDandelion/status/1436438378665418756

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

I’d say dsa should open up some kinda dialogue with the CPC since they’re clearly willing to send reps to other leftist orgs if they’re palling around with the dem canvassing boomers at CPUSA but considering even the Venezuela/Cuba visit was controversial that would probably be a no go

(mostly joking though I do wonder what the CPUSA gets out of the situation they’re in being the designated American leftist movement for all the ML parties. like those annual invitations to Beijing and the like can’t be cheap)

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

FrancisFukyomama posted:

I’d say dsa should open up some kinda dialogue with the CPC since they’re clearly willing to send reps to other leftist orgs if they’re palling around with the dem canvassing boomers at CPUSA but considering even the Venezuela/Cuba visit was controversial that would probably be a no go

funnily enough, the proposal to make the IC more democratic failing at convention means the current crop of people there - who proposed that amendment, and who are putting on that event and masterminded the venezuela trip among other things - probably have that much free-er rein to reach out to the CPC at some point

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

FrancisFukyomama posted:

considering even the Venezuela/Cuba visit was controversial that would probably be a no go

i'm confused by what you mean by that. the resolution to go further by joining the sao paulo forum, making dsa visits to latin american leftist parties more common and also hosting members of latin american leftist parties at various chapters around the US was approved by a supermajority. do you just mean that it was controversial because it got pulled out of the consent agenda and had a lot of stuff written against it? because a lot of the people in favor of it voted to remove it out of the consent agenda to stomp down on criticism by having a counted vote showing it was popular instead of being passed as just a part of the consent agenda.

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FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

fermun posted:

i'm confused by what you mean by that. the resolution to go further by joining the sao paulo forum, making dsa visits to latin american leftist parties more common and also hosting members of latin american leftist parties at various chapters around the US was approved by a supermajority. do you just mean that it was controversial because it got pulled out of the consent agenda and had a lot of stuff written against it? because a lot of the people in favor of it voted to remove it out of the consent agenda to stomp down on criticism by having a counted vote showing it was popular instead of being passed as just a part of the consent agenda.

a lot of socdem types were mad that dsa was “supporting authoritarianism” with Maduro I think and others were concerned about the optics since libs used to claim dsa were all tankies

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

FrancisFukyomama posted:

a lot of socdem types were mad that dsa was “supporting authoritarianism” with Maduro I think and others were concerned about the optics since libs used to claim dsa were all tankies

yeah, but who cares? we had a vote on doing it even more and it passed by a supermajority. the whiners need to get in line.

Caseman
Mar 21, 2006

Oh hey there's a DSA thread, hi DSA thread. I'm a member of the Pinellas chapter, Richie Floyd is super cool.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002


archive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BqNTK9mPuQ

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



fermun posted:

yeah, but who cares? we had a vote on doing it even more and it passed by a supermajority. the whiners need to get in line.

DSA ain't about democratic centralism so you actually have to listen to the whiners whine, forever

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006


https://archive.md/NEY6u

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/DSAMadison/stat...ber%3D3381pti34

This should be the national chapter but it is good to hold politicians you got elected to account.

The Lemondrop Dandy
Jun 7, 2007

If my memory serves me correctly...


Wedge Regret
NPC handling the situation well so far IMO. Surprised there's not a lot of discussion here.

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
NPC has finished the deliberation on whether to expel Jamaal Bowman

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-the-question-of-expelling-rep-bowman/

quote:

As a socialist organization building mass, working class power for the freedom of all oppressed peoples under capitalism and imperialism, the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is committed to the Palestinian fight for freedom. Palestinian liberation is an essential part of our struggle for a socialist future, not a symbolic statement, and we are facing a question of how to achieve the power necessary to ensure we are victorious. It is within this context, the context of strategy, that we examine our relationship to DSA member and Congressman Jamaal Bowman following his egregious Iron Dome vote, meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, and recent trip to Israel with J Street, a pro-Israel lobby group.

The National Political Committee of the Democratic Socialists of America strongly condemns these actions by Congressman Jamaal Bowman. There is no excuse for Rep. Bowman’s decision to increase funding for the Israeli military when he previously committed to cut U.S. military aid and arms sales to countries carrying out systematic human rights violations, nor for his participation in a propaganda trip to Israel, which aims to legitimize an apartheid state. Everyone committed to Palestinian liberation has a responsibility to resist the Israel propaganda machine, whose purpose is sanitizing the oppression of Palestinians. Instead Rep. Bowman met with Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, an unapologetic racist and war criminal who has infamously said, “I have killed lots of Arabs in my life – and there is no problem with that.”

The National Political Committee agrees with members who have signified the strategic importance of developing greater accountability for DSA electeds. In the aftermath of the Iron Dome vote, the NPC initiated a series of conversations on electoral strategy and governance. Core to this conversation were the relationships, structures, and independent power to organize constituents and elect candidates that make political alignment possible, to follow through on our commitment to Palestinian civil society’s call for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel, and all of DSA’s organizing priorities. Through this deliberation, the NPC decided to reevaluate our national endorsement process, further develop our electoral training program, and initiate a national Socialists in Office committee where the NPC will oversee relationships and direct strategy in greater coordination with DSA elected officials. We are committed to this during our two-year term.

It is in light of DSA’s developing electoral program and strategy for achieving material justice for Palestine that the NPC has assessed our approach to developing greater accountability for Bowman– a Black socialist and congressional freshman who defeated the pro-Israel incumbent Eliot Engel and has continued to criticize the Israeli government, while challenging his constituents to recognize Israel’s roots in the Nakba for Palestinians. We recognize the threat that Bowman and other members of the squad pose to the Zionist lobby and the important role DSA can play with them in advancing Palestinian rights and anti-imperialist struggle at the federal level. Already, we have seen considerable movement from Representative Bowman and his office, and a marked demonstration of interest in both accountability, and collaboration on an effective and strategic path forward to advance the Palestinian cause through progressive struggle on the congressional terrain. This is why the NPC has decided not to expel Bowman. The National Political Committee will not re-endorse Bowman unless he is able to demonstrate solidarity with Palestine in alignment with expectations we have set.

Bowman did not claim to publicly support BDS during his primary, but DSA endorsed him nevertheless. Bernie Sanders, who DSA endorsed twice, has headlined high profile J Street conferences, and has not adopted DSA’s line on Palestine. Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib did not publicly support BDS during their primary elections — articles were written pressuring DSA to discipline them. When AOC’s position on Palestine was rightfully criticized, people worked with her, and she shifted. Was it a mistake then for the left to commit to helping Tlaib and Ocasio-Cortez to shift politically instead of splitting with them? Who would argue now that electing Rashida Tlaib to Congress did not build power for Palestine?

The Israeli lobby works to neutralize the leaders they know are best positioned morally to speak out against the injustices of apartheid. Dividing the US progressive movement on Israel is one of the key strategies of the Israeli government in their interactions with elected officials, and it is why they are so heavily invested in building relationships with elected officials of color, and why they sponsor political events in Puerto Rico like the lobbyist conference SOMOS. They are threatened by a Black socialist replacing Eliot Engel, one of their most loyal allies. It is why Israeli Cabinet Minister Nachman Shai has said, “If we see more of the radical left and progressive liberal Jews continuing to support BDS and Black Lives Matter, and similar to the Palestinians, if they relate to Israel as a genocide state or an apartheid state, and so on, we may lose America.”

Congress is uniquely responsible for funding the military of Israel. The Zionist lobby has a significant role in contesting electoral races—Democratic Majority for Israel PAC spent over $700,000 trying to defeat Bowman in his first primary. They spent millions on TV ads against Bernie during the presidential primary. Recently the PAC spent $1.9 million to successfully help defeat Nina Turner.

Bowman could play a vital role in the fight for Palestinian liberation by linking it to liberation movements closer to home, and has spoken powerfully to that effect: “As a Black man living in America, I know the feeling of being neglected by my government and society, of feeling like a second class citizen or not a citizen at all, in my own home. I can understand the feelings of hopelessness and despair that Palestinians living in the West Bank might feel, reading in the news that the Israeli government has no plans to vaccinate them from a deadly disease wreaking havoc around the globe.” His recent actions to vote for the Iron Dome and to pose with Bennett have massively undermined that potential, but we have been reached out to by many organizations fighting for Palestinian liberation to caution us that this potential still exists, and must be seized upon. Expelling Bowman would mean handing the perfect tool to the establishment to stoke divisions within the Palestine solidarity movement, the left and the working class, and play into the strategy of divide and conquer. It is exactly what our enemies want.

As with any group of people, Palestinians are not a monolith. In recent weeks, we have heard from Palestinian members of DSA who have a wide range of views on how DSA should engage with Bowman, and with elected members in general, going forward. Today, Palestinian leadership of the global BDS movement issued a statement imploring its partners to advance BDS principles in ways that are strategic in their given contexts– including in the case of holding elected officials accountable. Palestinian and Black socialist BDS organizers have implored NPC members to use all our organizational leverage to engage Bowman directly to determine whether and how his office can move toward our positions on solidarity with Palestine, before escalating to any further consequences — and to maintain a high degree of discipline about what we communicate publicly, lest we fuel Zionist media narratives.

The Democratic Socialists of America are unwavering in our commitment to Palestinian solidarity, and liberation both here and abroad. We will not allow the difficulty of navigating the contradictions inherent in these struggles to undermine our progress or lead us astray. We remain hopeful that Congressman Bowman continues to work with the NPC on using his office to demonstrate solidarity with Palestine. And we look forward to continuing to strengthen relationships within the Palestinian liberation movement so that, collectively, we can build the power necessary to win.

WorkerThread
Feb 15, 2012

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley
The DSA is a useless and suicidal movement that is dedicated to fragmenting and diluting the left. It has no ideology, no discipline, no structure and is generally in every way an organization not fit for purpose. Lenin specifically warned against leaderless, orderless organizations like this and the DSA did it anyway, almost like they wanted to fail. The only purpose for the DSA is to join it and poach it's members to actual useful Marxist-leninist organizations.

Also it's fed city.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


quote:

Expelling Bowman would mean handing the perfect tool to the establishment to stoke divisions within the Palestine solidarity movement, the left and the working class, and play into the strategy of divide and conquer. It is exactly what our enemies want.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Also the DSA has neither an ideology nor discipline so why start now?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

CaptainACAB posted:

The DSA is a useless and suicidal movement that is dedicated to fragmenting and diluting the left. It has no ideology, no discipline, no structure and is generally in every way an organization not fit for purpose. Lenin specifically warned against leaderless, orderless organizations like this and the DSA did it anyway, almost like they wanted to fail. The only purpose for the DSA is to join it and poach it's members to actual useful Marxist-leninist organizations.

Also it's fed city.

The DSA is basically just a minor league training camp for fed informants.

Maybe they'll also do some the accidental sexy time as part of their undercover operations.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

fermun posted:

NPC has finished the deliberation on whether to expel Jamaal Bowman

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-the-question-of-expelling-rep-bowman/
what is the dsa's position on whether or not biden is running concentration camps

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

CaptainACAB posted:

The DSA is a useless and suicidal movement that is dedicated to fragmenting and diluting the left. It has no ideology, no discipline, no structure and is generally in every way an organization not fit for purpose. Lenin specifically warned against leaderless, orderless organizations like this and the DSA did it anyway, almost like they wanted to fail. The only purpose for the DSA is to join it and poach it's members to actual useful Marxist-leninist organizations.

Also it's fed city.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Lmao the daa sucks

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
yeah sure we pander to zionists and apartheid racists and refuse to kick them out but we’re totally a socialist organization guys trust me we’re not fatally compromised and diving further into irrelevance lol

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Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

quote:

Expelling Bowman would mean handing the perfect tool to the establishment to stoke divisions within the Palestine solidarity movement, the left and the working class, and play into the strategy of divide and conquer. It is exactly what our enemies want.

this is one of the dumbest loving things I've ever read, holy poo poo. embarrassed to have ever been associated with this dogshit loser org.

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