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So this is going to directly kill people, right?
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Alternative twitter clients make it a very different experience. Tweetbot shows me the people I follow, in chronological order, with no additional algorithmic additions and tends not to suck me into a black hole of despair. Maybe just a neutron star of despair? Anyway, when you get to the most recent thing on your timeline you can just close the app, it doesn't demand you spend more time with it.
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Dabir posted:So this is going to directly kill people, right? Yes, through overdoses, withdrawals and violence.
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Dec 3, 2021 01:42
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methadone therapy is one of the most successful treatments ever devised for opioid-etc addiction, goddammit
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fuctifino posted:Yes, through overdoses, withdrawals and violence. Its for people in prison presumably? Does that not alter things?
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That's impressively cruel and pointless (or rather the cruelty is the point) even by Tory standards.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Its for people in prison presumably? Does that not alter things? I don't want to shock you but heroin is something you can get in prison.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Its for people in prison presumably? Does that not alter things? Prison, well known for its exceptional medical care and peaceful vibes
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so you're saying it doesn't alter things?
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Dec 3, 2021 01:58
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It'll alter some screws to become temporarily richer and some inmates to become permanently deader.
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Dec 3, 2021 02:02
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It would seem the statistics show that you are pretty much exactly about as likely to die of a drug overdose in prison as you are out of prison. So I guess that does support it not altering things. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ales/2008to2016 Whats a bit odd is that you are massively at risk of a drugs overdose in your first fortnight out of prison, which to me doesnt totally tally.
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forkboy84 posted:I don't want to shock you but heroin is something you can get in prison. Sure, if you are able to afford the huge markup, have rich parents, or have a friendly gang member who is able to give you a tab in exchange for acting a dealer/courier when you get out. I don't want to shock you, but the quality of prison heroin, as well as the ability to safely inject isn't that great in prison. fuctifino fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:It would seem the statistics show that you are pretty much exactly about as likely to die of a drug overdose in prison as you are out of prison. So I guess that does support it not altering things. Surely that's a combination of a) recent traumatic experience finally ending, b) being able to use in a much more comfortable environment with easier access and probably higher purity and c) trying to deal with the new traumatic experience of being out and still just as hosed as before. I know that if I got sent down one of the first things I'd do after getting released would probably be to go on the mother of all benders.
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Jakabite posted:Surely that's a combination of a) recent traumatic experience finally ending, b) being able to use in a much more comfortable environment with easier access and probably higher purity and c) trying to deal with the new traumatic experience of being out and still just as hosed as before. I can't argue with any of that. But that does seem to suggest that the being in prison alters the drug taking experience and/or opportunities as I initially enquired about.
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fuctifino posted:Sure, if you are able to afford the huge markup, have rich parents, or have a friendly gang member who is able to give you a tab in exchange for acting a dealer/courier when you get out. Yeah, my point wasn't "this is fine, people can get smack anyway", I'm agreeing with you that this really bad. It doesn't deal with drug abuse or even drug use in prisons, it's just a cruel attempt to force people to go cold turkey.
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This will literally kill so many people. Another loving oval office who doesn't understand how opioids change your brain chemistry. Literally the only way is Suboxone and methadone to bring the cravings down slowly. Otherwise your brain goes into "I need opium more than food" mode and welp now your sucking off a fancy prison guard lad for heroin weekly.
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, my point wasn't "this is fine, people can get smack anyway", I'm agreeing with you that this really bad. It doesn't deal with drug abuse or even drug use in prisons, it's just a cruel attempt to force people to go cold turkey. Sorry, yeah, I can see that now. My post was written in anger at the news, not you, and my confusion came from my blocklist and uBlock rules omitting part of the discussion. I'm still in shock over this. Imagine drawing up policies with the intention of killing as many people as possible? How the gently caress can someone wake up one day and decide to do this? I genuinely don't get it. fuctifino fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:This will literally kill so many people. Another loving oval office who doesn't understand how opioids change your brain chemistry. Literally the only way is Suboxone and methadone to bring the cravings down slowly. Otherwise your brain goes into "I need opium more than food" mode and welp now your sucking off a fancy prison guard lad for heroin weekly. I'm not bothered about the heroin, frankly.
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It's really rather fascinating how many poorly thought out plans/policies the Tories introduce that seem to boil down to the ministers in question having precisely zero empathy. It's one of those things that we should study. Maybe there's a brain issue at fault. Maybe some sort of deep dive into a Tory minister's brain might help uncover the underlying pathology. Not like an fMRI, though. Nah, just get a craniectomy done and start poking around. I'm sure we'll be able to find something to write up in a paper.
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fuctifino posted:I'm still in shock over this. Imagine drawing up policies with the intention of killing as many people as possible? How the gently caress can someone wake up one day and decide to do this? I genuinely don't get it. are you new to tory britain
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kingturnip posted:It's really rather fascinating how many poorly thought out plans/policies the Tories introduce that seem to boil down to the ministers in question having precisely zero empathy. This is just our drug policy under either party. No interest in harm reduction, purely moralism and spite.
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kingturnip posted:just get a craniectomy done and start poking around. I'm sure we'll be able to find something
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NotJustANumber99 posted:
Tolerance can drop off really fast, so a normal dose for one user can suddenly become a fatal one. There's also apparantly a strangely psychological component to heroin tolerance where environment and external stimuli can really alter how you handle things, and again can unexpectedly make a normal dose lethal. It's called conditioned tolerance, exists for other drugs but I think it's more significant for heroin than most, maybe biochemically,but also the ritual of preparing and taking heroin is quite elaborate. It's just one of many reasons why decriminalisation is the way to go. And also why this plan is going to loving kill people.
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Kin posted:So my other half has just gone into labour and we're gonna be in the hospital from 2 this afternoon going through everything. Borrovan posted:My daughter's only 10 weeks old, I'm getting all nostalgic remembering bringing her home now, congratulations mate  congrats both!7 weeks here and it's still very weird and exhausting but rewarding
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Borrovan posted:When I was looking it up ages ago I found a long BBC article that basically described the situation according to various sources, citing the sources so you can look them up, about half of them turned out to be Zenz-adjacent but the rest looked solid Thanks, will keep digging. Just getting John Cena Mao edits atm
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fuctifino posted:Sorry, yeah, I can see that now. My post was written in anger at the news, not you, and my confusion came from my blocklist and uBlock rules omitting part of the discussion. they're not people to the tories
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I'd guess the reasoning is something like: "it shouldn't be possible to get drugs in prison, & people should be able to just quit cold turkey, therefore it isn't possible and people will. Oh btw we're not spending any extra money or changing anything, lalalaa can't hear you ought=is" Kind of thinking you'd expect from average Daily Mail reader, pretty disturbing from Justice Secretary
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They took down all the statues to the famous accomplishments of the Opium Wars and then forgot what happens in history when a decrepit empire blames foreigners and drugs as a cover for their own internal corruption problems. 
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 Whoops, didn't know who Zenz was or that they were quoted in that NYer article. Nonetheless there is some first-hand experience and plenty of other sources that are quoted there; it's not like the piece hinges on the Zenz allegations.There is this in Al Jazeera, which relies hwavily on an Australian report, albeit one that has scraped public Chinese data https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/20/xinjiang-aspi-report-uighurs And I don't know if Human Rights Watch is considered too Western a source. https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/05/01/chinas-algorithms-repression/reverse-engineering-xinjiang-police-mass therattle fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Dec 3, 2021 11:21
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Have you tried killing all the poor people?
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Voting rights need to be restored to prisoners. Everyone living in the country gets a vote, that's how it works, otherwise it's a sham.
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if you take a moment to think about it it's probably not a good idea to add the mental and physiological turmoil of sudden withdrawal to people who are locked up in a prison
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crispix posted:if you take a moment to think
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Convex posted:Voting rights need to be restored to prisoners. Everyone living in the country gets a vote, that's how it works, otherwise it's a sham. IMO go back to property restrictions. Only let those who earn under £30,000 a year vote
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crispix posted:if you take a moment to think about it it's probably not a good idea to add the mental and physiological turmoil of sudden withdrawal to people who are locked up in a prison I've highlighted the discrepancy between your thinking and the government's
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I’m not sure if this will end up going through - I can imagine the prison service kicking off big time if they’re suddenly having to deal with heroin withdrawals on a mass scale
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Convex posted:I've highlighted the discrepancy between your thinking and the government's i know but there seemed to be someone in thread struggling
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Dec 3, 2021 12:08
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Remember when Michael Gove wanted to get rid of prison books as well. It's all about the cruelty. 'Rehabilitation' is the public justification and nothing more.
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Dec 3, 2021 12:08
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Jakabite posted:I’m not sure if this will end up going through - I can imagine the prison service kicking off big time if they’re suddenly having to deal with heroin withdrawals on a mass scale That's a good point. I was quite (pleasantly) surprised to see Border Force staff saying they'd refuse to do pushbacks. Maybe Prison Service staff will do the same. This is an even worse policy than depriving prisoners of books.
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e: ^^^ my partner's done a whole bunch of research into the psychology of prison wardens that can be summarised as "Basically They're Just Cunts", wishful thinking imotherattle posted:And I don't know if Human Rights Watch is considered too Western a source. crispix posted:if you take a moment to think about it it's probably not a good idea to ... prison
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