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Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Acebuckeye13 posted:



Also it's worth mentioning that the Democrats are not a monolith. What message does it send if Raphael Warnock is voted out in Georgia next year?


Good thing you mentioned this, as a resident of Atlanta who voted and got him in last year(you're welcome). Democrats currently have less than a few months, assuming that if it passes someone will challenge it in court preventing it from going through so it needs to get settled in the court, to protect Warnock by passing the John Lewis voting rights act. Without which the following seats will probably flip red and never go blue again....

Governor.
State legislature in a red district
Senate
House in a red district

Basically the only positions in this state with any sort of actual power besides mayor of Atlanta.

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LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Does Donald Trump really think he could win after losing the incumbency?

Better question- Could he?

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
never bet against american exceptionalism (to do the stupidest loving poo poo)

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Unless the economy gets vastly better for working people in the next two years or Trump keels over I think him coming back is likely.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
I hope we primary out all the Dems who are doing nothing to codify abortion or voting rights, but echoing what has been said re: how are we protecting democracy keeping in the people who have done very little to protect it with all the levers of power currently held by them?

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Does Donald Trump really think he could win after losing the incumbency?

Better question- Could he?

Depends on how many states who went for Biden last time are going to be able to successfully pass laws and or policies that might help minimize voter turnout or target voters in particular ways etc.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Arven posted:

I have zero faith in the dems after January 6th. They are still trying to broker deals in good faith with people who tried to kill them.

Voting for the democrats to keep the fascists out would be essential if they were actually actively doing anything to keep the fascists out of power, but they aren't. I'm still gonna do it because I'm not delusional, but I'm not giving them a loving dime.


Also all you neolibs complaining about cspam and d&d need to take a look around you- this is one of the last neolib safe spaces on the forum. CSPAM is the most viewed subforum on the site for christ's sake. SA took a HARD turn to the left in the last four years.

I would never be considered what those nightmares define as the left and I'm not interested in their brand either

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Best Friends posted:

Unless the economy gets vastly better for working people in the next two years or Trump keels over I think him coming back is likely.

I also imagine he and his lackies have been drawing up exactly how they are going to proceed, based on what the speed bumps and obstructions were during the first tern.

The dems are awful but the right are literally sharpening their knives. All of this is to day that the Dems are not the solution in their current iteration, but their absence from government would be calamitous.

Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Dec 3, 2021

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Does Donald Trump really think he could win after losing the incumbency?

Better question- Could he?

The question isn’t could Trump win, it’s could the dems lose to Trump?

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Best Friends posted:

Unless the economy gets vastly better for working people in the next two years or Trump keels over I think him coming back is likely.

well its a good thing the current president assured his supporters that "nothing will fundamentally change"

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

facialimpediment posted:

The timeline appears to be:

"Hey... why are you searching for ammunition with your phone during school hours?"
*looks at drawings* HOLY poo poo GET THEIR PARENTS IN HERE
"Hey Mr/Mrs Fuckup, look at what we found here"
[unknown parental response]
Parents leave
Kid goes into bathroom and comes out shooting
Dad: hey my unlocked gun is missing


https://twitter.com/DavidEggert00/status/1466821141062893571

Edit: HOLY gently caress

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466821363935682564

Just parking my gun in a drawer where I live with a minor, then not checking to make sure it stays there longer than 3 whole days or checking its status after called in due to the school call-in.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Any odds they encouraged this as a political act because this world sucks

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/1...ientists-report

Omicron is spreading twice as fast as Delta is in South Africa. So hopefully if it’s actually a less deadly or severe variant this might be arguably a good thing.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe

facialimpediment posted:

The timeline appears to be:

"Hey... why are you searching for ammunition with your phone during school hours?"
*looks at drawings* HOLY poo poo GET THEIR PARENTS IN HERE
"Hey Mr/Mrs Fuckup, look at what we found here"
[unknown parental response]
Parents leave
Kid goes into bathroom and comes out shooting
Dad: hey my unlocked gun is missing


https://twitter.com/DavidEggert00/status/1466821141062893571

Edit: HOLY gently caress

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466821363935682564

Man, I would've gotten in so much loving trouble if I went to school these days. All I did during most classes in high school was doodle battles from WWI and II, Warhammer 40K and other poo poo with guns, aliens, and war.

I bet a bunch of otherwise good kids are now gonna get sent to the principal's office over doodles.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Bored As gently caress posted:

Man, I would've gotten in so much loving trouble if I went to school these days. All I did during most classes in high school was doodle battles from WWI and II, Warhammer 40K and other poo poo with guns, aliens, and war.

I bet a bunch of otherwise good kids are now gonna get sent to the principal's office over doodles.

I think there's a big difference between warlike doodling that you mention above, versus the kind of content this kid was putting out in a personal journal:

https://twitter.com/BrianAbelTV/status/1466824251902734344

The kind of poo poo that when twisted properly might make a good GiP shirt (as the world is indeed a gently caress), but is about 17 different flavors of klaxon when coming from a highschooler. Although it would be peak USA if some kid got expelled for doodling about 410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

A timeline revision is that the bullet-googling was a day before the shooting, then the "holy poo poo your kid needs counseling" "lol no he doesn't" *blam blam blam* "hey where's my gun" "don't do it son" day took place.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Odd Q - does anyone know how I can go about getting a copy of a map from my time in Iraq? I remember the page designator, but can't get google to help me. Probably because I a mentally deficient, but still good looking.

The season opener of Always Sunny was executed to perfection, and was a fun version of the 2020 Timeline. McNabb>Stallone.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


bulletsponge13 posted:

The season opener of Always Sunny was executed to perfection, and was a fun version of the 2020 Timeline. McNabb>Stallone.

Both episodes were fantastic.

I also completely forgot about Kayne running. I knew they were going for the bait and switch, I just couldn't figure out who it was gonna be till the end.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
lol the shooter's parents are on the run

https://twitter.com/CraigDMauger/status/1466859099044331527

quote:

“Their attorney had assured us that if a decision was made to charge them, she would produce them for arrest,” Oakland County Undersheriff Mike McCabe said Friday.

That agreement with attorney Shannon Smith was sometime in the morning, McCabe said around 2 p.m. Friday.

“Our last conversation with the attorney was that she had been trying to reach them by phone and text, and they were not responding,” he said.

McCabe said Fugitive Apprehension Team officers still were out searching for the couple as of mid-afternoon Friday.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

facialimpediment posted:

The timeline appears to be:

"Hey... why are you searching for ammunition with your phone during school hours?"
*looks at drawings* HOLY poo poo GET THEIR PARENTS IN HERE
"Hey Mr/Mrs Fuckup, look at what we found here"
[unknown parental response]
Parents leave
Kid goes into bathroom and comes out shooting
Dad: hey my unlocked gun is missing


https://twitter.com/DavidEggert00/status/1466821141062893571

Edit: HOLY gently caress

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466821363935682564

The kid needed serious mental help, his CHUD parents wanted to treat mental health as him being a sissy, and he shot people.

They need to be railroaded into the court system. The kid needs mental help, not jail, his parents need to be loving crucified.

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

oorah

MazelTovCocktail posted:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/1...ientists-report

Omicron is spreading twice as fast as Delta is in South Africa. So hopefully if it’s actually a less deadly or severe variant this might be arguably a good thing.

The other variants carried degrees of reinfection risk and omicron is apparently significantly more capable of reinfecting hosts who had a previous covid infection. Widely spreading omicron is not going to confer widespread immunity. It's going to blast through "already had it so I'm good" chuds and "usually mask and distance but just so tired!" libs alike. It remains to be seen whether vaccines will save us. Maybe I'm wrong and you should ignore my unrepentant doomerism or perhaps I've just missed your point, but the idea that the even more infectious, even more antibody evading variant is going to be a "good thing" doesn't make sense unless you are assuming corona is a disease that you can get over and become immune to (it hasn't been so far). I'd assume the opposite: that a whole lot of lung soup death is knocking on our door right now.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.


Well...

So much for the party of law and order?

Also, not surprised at this at all. They didn't want to take basic responsibility regarding their child's mental health or the care and storage of their weapons, why would they face a trial?

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

facialimpediment posted:

lol the shooter's parents are on the run

This is going to probably end badly.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

US Berder Patrol posted:

The other variants carried degrees of reinfection risk and omicron is apparently significantly more capable of reinfecting hosts who had a previous covid infection. Widely spreading omicron is not going to confer widespread immunity. It's going to blast through "already had it so I'm good" chuds and "usually mask and distance but just so tired!" libs alike. It remains to be seen whether vaccines will save us. Maybe I'm wrong and you should ignore my unrepentant doomerism or perhaps I've just missed your point, but the idea that the even more infectious, even more antibody evading variant is going to be a "good thing" doesn't make sense unless you are assuming corona is a disease that you can get over and become immune to (it hasn't been so far). I'd assume the opposite: that a whole lot of lung soup death is knocking on our door right now.

Well I meant more in the sense that dominant strain would no longer be Delta and (would hopefully) be something less worse. We could actually have a variant that spreads very easily, but with a less severe version of Covid (in terms of sickness and mortality). I mean the worst thing would be something deadly like Ebola, but didn't burn through people until 2-3 weeks vs what it does in reality.

ASAPI posted:

Well...

So much for the party of law and order?

Also, not surprised at this at all. They didn't want to take basic responsibility regarding their child's mental health or the care and storage of their weapons, why would they face a trial?

:same:

gently caress these people, they're the ones at fault. I am fine with the kid going the juvie route with an option for continued commitment. His parents should just be dumped in a parking lot with the victims families (yeah I know I'm just saying I wouldn't feel bad), but I'll settle for a long prison sentence.

brains
May 12, 2004

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Does Donald Trump really think he could win after losing the incumbency?

Better question- Could he?

lol the dems completely failed to pass voting reform, and even if they did, SCOTUS would shoot it down 5-4 (soon to be 6-3 after 2022). with all of the red states furiously codifying voter suppression into the books, any hope of an electoral college win is rapidly disappearing. not to mention the GOP literally has to do nothing to regain the senate because it's systemically unbalanced, and gerrymandering never stopped because the courts think it's totally fine so say goodbye to a democratic house for a long time.

then there's the fact that one of the two parties has literally made tossing elections they lose into a major policy plank. the question you should be asking is "will the democrats ever achieve a trifecta again in the next 20-30 years?"

brains fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Dec 3, 2021

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1466835379093344258?s=21

Pretty bad.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

So it's highly infectious, and possible against vaccines, has anything about the lethality rate or the most common outcomes (ie mild, bad, lots of vents)?

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

US Berder Patrol posted:

The other variants carried degrees of reinfection risk and omicron is apparently significantly more capable of reinfecting hosts who had a previous covid infection. Widely spreading omicron is not going to confer widespread immunity. It's going to blast through "already had it so I'm good" chuds and "usually mask and distance but just so tired!" libs alike. It remains to be seen whether vaccines will save us. Maybe I'm wrong and you should ignore my unrepentant doomerism or perhaps I've just missed your point, but the idea that the even more infectious, even more antibody evading variant is going to be a "good thing" doesn't make sense unless you are assuming corona is a disease that you can get over and become immune to (it hasn't been so far). I'd assume the opposite: that a whole lot of lung soup death is knocking on our door right now.

It also seems to be having a significant increase in kids under 5 being hospitalised so....

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

It also seems to be having a significant increase in kids under 5 being hospitalised so....

Oh that’s loving wonderful. Okay great this thing is going to be worse then Delta. Jesus Christ. Then again around 1000 people drop dead every day in America from this and everyone seams to have moved on.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Give the scientists another week and a half to figure out the Omicron poo poo. Everything's speculation until then.

And check out this bullshit:

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1466879595911819273

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


https://twitter.com/TheDweck/status/1466518291862622212?s=20

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

facialimpediment posted:

Give the scientists another week and a half to figure out the Omicron poo poo. Everything's speculation until then.
What has been established so far about Omicron?

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

MazelTovCocktail posted:

What has been established so far about Omicron?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/scientific-brief-omicron-variant.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03614-z

drat near nothing. It basically takes a week (so another few days) for first tests to complete, then another week after that for infectiousness/effectiveness tests to complete. Everything posted so far by scientists/doctors/etc is just a puzzle piece of an unknown picture.

We still don't know transmissibility/severity/evasiveness/treatment effectiveness yet.

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

oorah

MazelTovCocktail posted:

What has been established so far about Omicron?

https://mobile.twitter.com/DataDrivenMD/status/1466501186450649089

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

I guess Mr. and Mrs. Shooter are turning themselves in, now.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...85t5KUTWQfI2Fs0

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Thank you both I appreciate the links and info. My kids finally got their second dose this Monday and I’m just worried about this so much now. One of the reasons is I’ve seen a lot more breakthrough cases recently. Now I don’t mean that to be statistical, it’s just anecdotal, but that’s enough to get me worrying.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
When you definitely understand the story of the grinch:

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1466799443458543618?s=21

Loucks
May 21, 2007

It's incwedibwe easy to suck my own dick.

MazelTovCocktail posted:

Thank you both I appreciate the links and info. My kids finally got their second dose this Monday and I’m just worried about this so much now. One of the reasons is I’ve seen a lot more breakthrough cases recently. Now I don’t mean that to be statistical, it’s just anecdotal, but that’s enough to get me worrying.

I’m with you on this. We’ve been putting a lot of effort into keeping our kid uninfected, and now that he’s finally vaccinated this omicron bullshit drops. I’m hopeful that it doesn’t turn out to be as bad as some people are claiming, but skeptical that it’s as harmless as others are insisting. Luckily as Xmas celebrators we have some time to wait for more actual data to become available before we have to make a decision about seeing family, so it could be worse.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

facialimpediment posted:

The timeline appears to be:

"Hey... why are you searching for ammunition with your phone during school hours?"
*looks at drawings* HOLY poo poo GET THEIR PARENTS IN HERE
"Hey Mr/Mrs Fuckup, look at what we found here"
[unknown parental response]
Parents leave
Kid goes into bathroom and comes out shooting
Dad: hey my unlocked gun is missing


https://twitter.com/DavidEggert00/status/1466821141062893571

Edit: HOLY gently caress

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466821363935682564

facialimpediment posted:

I think there's a big difference between warlike doodling that you mention above, versus the kind of content this kid was putting out in a personal journal:

https://twitter.com/BrianAbelTV/status/1466824251902734344

The kind of poo poo that when twisted properly might make a good GiP shirt (as the world is indeed a gently caress), but is about 17 different flavors of klaxon when coming from a highschooler. Although it would be peak USA if some kid got expelled for doodling about 410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

A timeline revision is that the bullet-googling was a day before the shooting, then the "holy poo poo your kid needs counseling" "lol no he doesn't" *blam blam blam* "hey where's my gun" "don't do it son" day took place.

Yeah, definitely the sort of thing that indicates a rational adult brain making rational adult decisions here.
Real good call from all the people ITT baying for his blood.

Maybe all you guys who were cheering on his impending lockup in maximum security prison should shut the gently caress up about child behavior and crime until you learn a goddamn thing or two about actual children?

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Y'all did the right thing because the *early* thing about Omicron *appears* to be that it doesn't give a gently caress if you had wild/alpha/delta, but vaccines still knock it down a ton. Again, just wait a few weeks, but good on you for getting your kids vaccinated. They're a lot better off than they would be otherwise.

And it sure seems that the shooterparents are either lying to their lawyer, the lawyer is lying to everyone else, or nobody gives a gently caress about the "they're going to turn themselves in tomorrow" horseshit:

https://twitter.com/USMarshalsHQ/status/1466895351139479564

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CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Stultus Maximus posted:


Maybe all you guys who were cheering on his impending lockup in maximum security prison should shut the gently caress up about child behavior and crime until you learn a goddamn thing or two about actual children?

Pissing in the wind here but, I think what's likely going to happen is something akin to the Slenderman stabbers. He's going to do time, likely within a psychiatric ward, and probably out sometime in his 30s.

I don't think anyone was rooting for life in a supermax but we could all easily see the courts/jury leaning that way in these idiotic times.

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