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Bugsy posted:They didnt care until their kid started shooting up the school. This is where I live, and stories are coming out about both of them being enormous pieces of poo poo from people that know them. One lady said the kid was regularly left alone when he was younger so the parents could go out drinking. It's been deleted, but someone found a 2016 blog post from the mom praising Trump including "I'm ready to be grabbed by the pussy".  Infuriatingly, there's a "Prayers for Oxford" sign in their front yard.
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Even if we accept the idea that giving your kid a gun at 13 is a good idea because they need their own weapon for hunting and it will teach them to respect guns, etc., I still can't understand any reason why a parent would feel the need to buy their kid multiple semi-automatic handguns at ages 13 and 15 and send them to school with ammo. Unless, you literally want your kid to shoot up a school (which it does not seem like they actually did).
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VitalSigns posted:Remember when we were assured that This is the most useless masturbatory poo poo and people do it in this thread all the time. It exists to create a hagiography of "thread opinion" that you bravely stood against. Of course there was one or two people with lovely opinions, there's going to be that on any issue. Constantly flogging this because you remember that time a person disagreed with you adds nothing to this thread at all. You, Willa, and Leon make up like 50% of the posts in these threads and none of you held that position. The closest was Leon who still didnt. Just say "told ya so" because that's all the post is, and almost every poster in this thread can do the same told ya so.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Even if we accept the idea that giving your kid a gun at 13 is a good idea because they need their own weapon for hunting and it will teach them to respect guns, etc., I still can't understand any reason why a parent would feel the need to buy their kid multiple semi-automatic handguns at ages 13 and 15 and send them to school with ammo. I understand it. Gun Fuckers are selfish, horrible people who do their stupid hobby based on lies. They lie to themselves about what guns are useful for and why guns are good and why their behavior around guns is acceptable because if they sat down and interrogated themselves they'd realize that the real reasons they buy their Murder Security Blankets are pure evil. They want to do violence and they want others to know they're ready and willing to do violence and they want to practice doing violence for the thrill they get from using the machine and displaying their skill with it and they want to group up with other people that share their values vis a vis violence and then loudly, angrily project those feelings onto others to silence criticism of their behavior and then use their political power to protect their right to do all those things without any limitations regardless of the other political consequences that come with it. This is true of gun people on the right and the left. One visit to TFF's Gun Control and Violence thread, or the inevitable responses to this post about Trans People needing guns for Self Defense or Marx Quotes, should make it obvious to anyone with pattern recognition.
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Sanguinia posted:I understand it. Gun Fuckers are selfish, horrible people who do their stupid hobby based on lies. They lie to themselves about what guns are useful for and why guns are good and why their behavior around guns is acceptable because if they sat down and interrogated themselves they'd realize that the real reasons they buy their Murder Security Blankets are pure evil. They want to do violence and they want others to know they're ready and willing to do violence and they want to practice doing violence for the thrill they get from using the machine and displaying their skill with it and they want to group up with other people that share their values vis a vis violence and then loudly, angrily project those feelings onto others to silence criticism of their behavior. Hey you live in Florida too, right? What's your plan when DeSantis' personal goon squad starts clearing neighborhoods? You gonna Vote! them away?
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You're subtweeting essentially a trans anti fascist who has been injured in combat with the fascist enemy while arguing for unilateral disarmament, what the gently caress is wrong with you, guns on the Left are all that stand between us and Rwanda style door to door genocide
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Medullah posted:This is where I live, and stories are coming out about both of them being enormous pieces of poo poo from people that know them. One lady said the kid was regularly left alone when he was younger so the parents could go out drinking. There is an archived version of her blog and dozens of posts. A lot of it is the expected terrible stuff, but here's some of the wilder/interesting parts of her 9,352 word fictional letter to Trump about why she voted for him: quote:You see, I am an American Woman. I value the equality of the LGBT community, in fact, I hold that in really high regards. I am a feminist. I value womens rights and want to be alive when I see the first woman become President. But as an American Woman, with a 10 year old child I could not have that first woman be Hillary. quote:Mr. Trump, I actually love that you are a bad public speaker because that showed sincerity, and humility. You changed your mind, and you said “so what”. You made the famous “grab them in the pussy” comment, did it offend me? No. I say things all the time that people take the wrong way, do I mean them, not always. Do I agree that you should of shown your tax returns? No. I don’t care what you do or maybe don’t pay in taxes, I think those are personal. quote:I have high hopes you will shut down Big Pharma, make health care affordable for me and my MIDDLE CLASS family again. I hope you uncover the cure for cancer, because there is one, we all know it, but you are the one to prove it. I’m not scared of your big personality and quick temper. There is a whole house of representatives that still have to approve if you decide to get pissed at China and blow them up. quote:You see Mr. Trump, I need you to stop common core. My son struggles daily, and my teachers tell me they hate teaching it but the HAVE to. Their pay depends on these stupid loving test scores. I have to pay for a Tutor, why? Because I can’t figure out 4th grade math. I used to be good at math. I can’t afford a Tutor, in fact I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life. My parents teach at a school where their kids come from illegal immigrant parents. Most of their parents are locked up. They don’t care about learning and threaten to kill my mom for caring about their grades. Do you realize Mr. Trump that they get free tutors, free tablets from our Government so they can succeed. quote:Mr. Trump, this is why I voted for you. I see the change that we so desperately need. I see jobs coming back, people having to work for their handouts, money going to who really deserve it. Big Pharma taken down, Monsanto stop poisoning us. Jobs given back to our American workers. I believe YOU are the President who will make these things happen. I have NEVER had this much belief in one person, and you are it. She literally thought Trump was going to reveal the centuries old cure for cancer that has been hidden from the world, that Trump was going to nuke China, and she was deeply upset that 4th grade math made her feel dumb. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Sanguinia posted:I understand it. Gun Fuckers are selfish, horrible people who do their stupid hobby based on lies. They lie to themselves about what guns are useful for and why guns are good and why their behavior around guns is acceptable because if they sat down and interrogated themselves they'd realize that the real reasons they buy their Murder Security Blankets are pure evil. They want to do violence and they want others to know they're ready and willing to do violence and they want to practice doing violence for the thrill they get from using the machine and displaying their skill with it and they want to group up with other people that share their values vis a vis violence and then loudly, angrily project those feelings onto others to silence criticism of their behavior and then use their political power to protect their right to do all those things without any limitations regardless of the other political consequences that come with it.
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Lib and let die posted:Hey you live in Florida too, right? You're sure as hell not going to shoot them away despite what you tell yourself to justify whatever toy you recently bought. You mock the idea of "voting them away," when your plan is just as much a total fantasy. Wang Commander posted:You're subtweeting essentially a trans anti fascist who has been injured in combat with the fascist enemy while arguing for unilateral disarmament, what the gently caress is wrong with you, guns on the Left are all that stand between us and Rwanda style door to door genocide Hey look, it only took two posts for my exact prediction to come true. Technically one since the Marx Quote was implicit in the first one, but I'll be generous. World Famous W posted:I keep my shotgun in a gun safe off premises because I like hunting and eating deer Congratulations on being the exception that proves the rule. Not being snippy, this is the only acceptable way and reason to own and use guns.
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Sanguinia posted:You're sure as hell not going to shoot them away despite what you tell yourself to justify whatever toy you recently bought. You mock the idea of "voting them away," when your plan is just as much a total fantasy. US forces have been defeated by armed insurgencies over and over and it's taken for granted that threat of right wing gun guy insurgency is why we can't have nice things in the US. Why is an armed community absurd and impotent only when it's on your side? Why do you fetishize the power of your enemies while dismissing your own?
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World Famous W posted:I keep my shotgun in a gun safe off premises because I like hunting and eating deer If we lived in a normal world and wanted a real actual compromise on guns in America, then we would implement universal background checks, ban handguns, and remove restrictions on shotguns, semi-automatic long-barrel hunting rifles, and silencers. It wouldn't be ideal, but it would be a real compromise that would cut gun deaths by 2/3 and people would be able to go hunting or sport shooting much more cheaply than they do now. But, the myth of the "good guy with a gun," the maximalist approach to gun rights, paranoid world view, and power fantasy aspects of American gun culture would never let it happen.
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Sanguinia posted:You're sure as hell not going to shoot them away despite what you tell yourself to justify whatever toy you recently bought. You mock the idea of "voting them away," when your plan is just as much a total fantasy. Nope, my right arm can't handle the kickback of a gun, you're right. I'm am going to be a hapless victim of Ronny's death squads. Given the layout of our unit, too, we'd be better off with medium-length blades in an invader situation. Very few meaningful sightline, but plenty of places to hide around corners and show what 15 years of Arnis is worth  eta: and this isn't to say that somehow my wife and I would survive. Her, the dog, and I would definitely wound up shot dead. Cats would probably book it out the door once it got blown/kicked open, though. Lib and let die fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Guns are marketed to those people as totems that make them better than other people. People with guns are the powerful rugged lions, everyone else are dumb skittish sheep. Hunting has nothing to do with it, she's some bougie realtor. They give their child a gun because he's going to grow up to be a lion not a sheep, of course the sheep get frightened when they see him searching ammunition on his phone in class, they want to turn him into a sheep like them.
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Sanguinia posted:This is true of gun people on the right and the left. One visit to TFF's Gun Control and Violence thread, or the inevitable responses to this post about Trans People needing guns for Self Defense or Marx Quotes, should make it obvious to anyone with pattern recognition. Speaking of which any particular updates on our own crackshot? The toeslayer? quote:Given the layout of our unit, too, we'd be better off with medium-length blades in an invader situation. Very few meaningful sightline, but plenty of places to hide around corners and show what 15 years of Arnis is worth Remember, twenty one feet. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Sanguinia posted:Congratulations on being the exception that proves the rule. Not being snippy, this is the only acceptable way and reason to own and use guns. He also had a can of pink paint hurled onto his car parked in the driveway. I feel no need to argue with him that heat be under threat from others and wants to sleep next to his pistol
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Sanguinia posted:Trans People needing guns for Self Defense or Marx Quotes, should make it obvious to anyone with pattern recognition. Please tell me more about how trans people with guns don't actually care about defending themselves or need to. With sources as applicable.
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It is nice to see them charge the parents it's insane how rarely if ever that happens. So many cases of a kid getting to a gun and killing themselves or others and it's chalked up to an "accident" and the parents get off scot free.
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VitalSigns posted:Guns are marketed to those people as totems that make them better than other people. People with guns are the powerful rugged lions, everyone else are dumb skittish sheep. If you don't have a gun you're totally under the power of anyone who wanders by with a gun. This didn't come up too often in cushy middle class white America for the last few decades but times are changing fast and an infantry rifle and hard armor just seems prudent, like preparing for hurricane season.
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Lib and let die posted:Hey you live in Florida too, right? Wang Commander posted:You're subtweeting essentially a trans anti fascist who has been injured in combat with the fascist enemy while arguing for unilateral disarmament, what the gently caress is wrong with you, guns on the Left are all that stand between us and Rwanda style door to door genocide Can we be honest and walk though this hypothetical? Let's start from the premise being presented: Either at a state or national level an organized, officially endorsed, materially funded and legally backed military force both exists and is mobilized to track down a group or subgroup of the population that the person you're posting at is included in. This military force is being officially tasked with either rounding up members of said group/subgroup or outright executing them on sight. At a minimum we can assume they will have the kind of gear we see law enforcement wearing day to day (ARs, pistols, some extra ammo, maybe a low caliber rated vest) and if they are actively going door to door for this execution effort, most likely more akin to active combat gear. They will not be alone, but at least in squad level numbers as they approach your door. Most likely there will be reinforcements and armored transports or heavy munition vehicles nearby incase they encounter resistance. Assuming this is the situation you find yourself in, you are in open warfare. What action movie fantasy are expecting to pull off if they come to your door looking to kill you? Wang Commander posted:US forces have been defeated by armed insurgencies over and over and it's taken for granted that threat of right wing gun guy insurgency is why we can't have nice things in the US. Why is an armed community absurd and impotent only when it's on your side? Why do you fetishize the power of your enemies while dismissing your own? To head this off maybe: Insurgent forces are still organized oppositional force. You're still discussing open warfare and no a situation where a single person is keeping their place in society alive in the face of a military force dedicated on eliminating them. Crain fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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RBA Starblade posted:Speaking of which any particular updates on our own crackshot? The toeslayer? His trial started last week and they mentioned Something Awful in the brief. He's charged with first-degree assault and reckless endangerment. He was going to get bail set in early October, but he destroyed a sprinkler at the jail and refused to leave his cell for his bail hearing, so the judge denied bail and ordered him to get a psych evaluation and medication.
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Crain posted:Can we be honest and walk though this hypothetical? Hypotherical? https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/florida-state-guard-desantis/index.html quote:St, Petersburg, Florida (CNN)Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis wants to reestablish a World War II-era civilian military force that he, not the Pentagon, would control.
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If I owned a gun, I'd probably have been dead years ago during one of my bouts with severe depression, so I very specifically do not want one in my house. I've got a bunch of dogs that are likely to keep anyone from breaking into my house, and if the government ever did decide I needed to be rounded up for whatever reason, I don't imagine that shooting my way out and living in hiding would be a lifestyle I'd particularly want to maintain.
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World Famous W posted:I guess I should also add that I do disagree with you though. My brother, a gay man born and raised in alabama, owns a pistol for his protection. He bought it after having a beer bottle hurled at him from a vehicle while the driver screamed the f slur at him. For walking down the road holding his boyfriends hand. So….you think firing a gun at a moving vehicle would result in a better outcome?? gently caress hate crimes/homophobia/etc and I’m really sorry for those things happening to your brother. But drat, using that as a specific example is the exact situation where you absolutely do not want to use a gun unless you don’t give a gently caress about the safety of bystanders
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Lib and let die posted:Hypotherical? I know this was just announced. It still doesn't exist quite yet however. But I reiterate, assume your worst fears come true: A squad of these goons are on your front porch, armed, backed by the government, and telling you to come out. What do you expect to happen? You owning a gun isn't going to keep them away. You owning a gun certainly didn't prevent the creation of their organization. So what do you honestly expect to accomplish with your gun? If the answer is "I won't be alone either, I'll be in an armed militia of my own, etc" then what you're preparing for is civil war, and it's an entirely different reality than what you're professing the gun you own is supposed to be for. Crain fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Crain posted:Assuming this is the situation you find yourself in, you are in open warfare. They farm a lot of this out to Proud Boy types and local hicks historically if you look at Jim Crow and a lot of the 20th century oppression of Native Americans or the 2020 protests. Genocide is manpower-intensive and people are likely to be facing Kyle Rittenhouse and friends at least at first - in fact, they literally are right now! You're making a lot of assumptions here about it being useless to street fight with the freikorps because you can't beat up a tank or whatever. Edit: my point isn't about a one man civil war, I'm just curious as to why liberals advocate rolling over so completely you can't even deal with outside agitator vigilantes like Kyle trying to do their little freelance pogroms in your neighborhood Wang Commander fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Kalit posted:So….you think firing a gun at a moving vehicle would result in a better outcome?? gently caress hate crimes/homophobia/etc and I’m really sorry for those things happening to your brother.
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Guns are insanely rarely used in self-defense despite the ridiculous (and clearly phony) numbers the gun lobby likes to toss out. A gun in the home is ~11 times more likely to be used to attempt to or successfully end one's life than it is to be fired in self-defense. It's four times as likely to be accidentally discharged causing injury than to be used in self-defense.
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Crain posted:I know this was just announced. E: and crippled a guy who had a gun and opportunity but who decided not to use it
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Crain posted:If the answer is "I won't be alone either, I'll be in an armed militia of my own, etc" then what you're preparing for is civil war, and it's an entirely different reality than what you're professing the gun you own is supposed to be for. Not sure I buy that organized group self-defense is quite as distinct from individual self-defense is you're making it out to be. But it is reasonable to be prepared for both if you safely can.
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Crain posted:I know this was just announced. Nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. If they come for outspoken leftists in Florida, they're going to come for me and they're going to gun me down. Maybe I wound or fatally injure one of them before my time's up, maybe I don't. But I'm not just gonna roll over and die. Or maybe I will. Who knows. People can talk a lot of talk about what they'd do, but talk is talk until you're looking down a cold steel barrel  As far as engaging in open civil war, I will say I've got some people in my neighborhood putting forth communal efforts at food independence in the wake of supply chain breakdowns, we haven't talked self defense because we'd previously been hopeful that armed conflict was not how it was going to go down, but I think these conversations are going to start being had, and in more serious tones.
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Kalit posted:So….you think firing a gun at a moving vehicle would result in a better outcome?? gently caress hate crimes/homophobia/etc and I’m really sorry for those things happening to your brother. I don't think the end game here is "my brother fires wildly at the truck in response". He is targeted for being gay. People drive by attack him for being gay. That is going to continue to happen, and one day that truck might stop and the people in it might get out and try to attack him. THAT scenario is what the gun is for. The moment some shithead is coming towards you with intent to do real harm is what the gun is for, not to take random potshots at people but to prevent grievous harm or death. That's the reality that queer people live by in some places. Amd until there's a better way to assure safety that isn't "pretend you're staight/cis in public" guns are sadly the only option people can think Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn or for someone else but seriously, this seems super obvious to me.
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VitalSigns posted:Didn't we just have a fairly prominent trial of a lone gunman who murdered some people who were armed with skateboards and plastic bags The posts I originally quote were constructing the idea that they needed a gun to resist organized, governmentally backed, military organizations coming to commit genocide against them. I'm not sure how that relates to Rittenhouse. Harold Fjord posted:Not sure I buy that organized group self-defense is quite as distinct from individual self-defense is you're making it out to be. But it is reasonable to be prepared for both if you safely can. I see a lot of it as action movie fantasy. "The DeSantis Brownshirts are coming for me but I have an AR to shoot them with and I will be safe and the hero because of it" is what I'm seeing. If you're going to be getting into "street fights with the friekorps" as one poster responded to me suggested, then there's far more involved than just owning a gun. Lib and let die posted:Nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. If they come for outspoken leftists in Florida, they're going to come for me and they're going to gun me down. Maybe I wound or fatally injure one of them before my time's up, maybe I don't. But I'm not just gonna roll over and die. At least you're honest about it. Community cohesion and independence is far more useful than just doing the left-wing version of "If the government comes to take my religion and guns I'll just gun them down with my guns!". I'm still incredibly skeptical about how effective any of that will be in the face of what happened with the CHAZ and other attempts at "autonomous zones" over the summer of 2020. Looking more historically, the situation at Ruby Ridge and Waco from the other end of the political spectrum. A societal collapse where self protection comes down to small communal groups which have to face off against government and military forces does not seem viable to me. Not in the era of "gently caress it, drop a predator missile on the cabin". Crain fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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SwingShift posted:I don't think the end game here is "my brother fires wildly at the truck in response". He is targeted for being gay. People drive by attack him for being gay. That is going to continue to happen, and one day that truck might stop and the people in it might get out and try to attack him. THAT scenario is what the gun is for. The moment some shithead is coming towards you with intent to do real harm is what the gun is for, not to take random potshots at people but to prevent grievous harm or death. That's the reality that queer people live by in some places. Amd until there's a better way to assure safety that isn't "pretend you're staight/cis in public" guns are sadly the only option people can think
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The Rittenhouses of the world are part of a continuum leading up through street gangs and freikorps to action movie level oppression. They're all the same thing. This happens over and over again. I'm not sure why not being able to fight off the worst case single-handed is an argument against being able to mount a deterrent against the criminals and adventures like Rittenhouse who are the face of fascist violence at this very moment. We literally saw small groups of guys like that harassing people door to door in residential areas in 2020. Or the wildfire checkpoints. It starts small and weak and informal!
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World Famous W posted:Don't put words in my mouth. I never said shoot at a moving vehicle. I said I understand victims of hate crimes wanting a gun I love how this country teaches us the disillusion that guns are a useful tool for self defense/makes someone feel safer  Seriously, this thought process needs to end: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/ But yes, I did put words in your mouth, because it sounded like you were endorsing his decision based on that specific scenario. And I overly extrapolated that unnecessarily. I’m sorry for that
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Kalit posted:I love how this country teaches us the disillusion that guns are a useful tool for self defense/makes someone feel safer Now go back in time and lecture Huey Newton
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Even if we accept the idea that giving your kid a gun at 13 is a good idea because they need their own weapon for hunting and it will teach them to respect guns, etc., I still can't understand any reason why a parent would feel the need to buy their kid multiple semi-automatic handguns at ages 13 and 15 and send them to school with ammo. ...  Wait they knowingly sent him to school with loving ammo?! Jesus gently caress charge these chuds with accessory to murder
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Wang Commander posted:The Rittenhouses of the world are part of a continuum leading up through street gangs and freikorps to action movie level oppression. They're all the same thing. This happens over and over again. I'm not sure why not being able to fight off the worst case single-handed is an argument against being able to mount a deterrent against the criminals and adventures like Rittenhouse who are the face of fascist violence at this very moment. for me, it's partially that I can't see mounting action against that as doing anything but accelerating towards civil war. A Rittenhouse situation happens again, but this time a left-wing person or group kill him after he shoots someone else. Or a "local militia" is stopping cars and a counter force challenges them, leading to a gun fight and death of the initial group. I do not for a second believe that the cops who respond to that will treat a left-wing citizen like they did Rittenhouse, or various militia members who do this sort of thing. Assume they even arrest them instead of just gunning them down right then and there or hunt them down later (which is what happened with the guy who shot a proud boy at a protest).
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Crain posted:The posts I originally quote were constructing the idea that they needed a gun to resist organized, governmentally backed, military organizations coming to commit genocide against them. They don't have to be organized, the government just sent every fascist a message that even if they video themselves premeditating a plan to go murder protesters the government doesn't like and then celebrating their kills afterwards, the courts will suppress all that evidence and let them cry in front of a sympathetic jury
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