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SkyeAuroline posted:So I'm back in the office after two weeks from home due to covid, and it turns out that the person who probably got me sick has been here the entire time, in the office still hacking up a storm, and has refused to get tested even when seeing a doctor (and having time off scheduled for just that). Do you have paid sick leave?
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Outrail posted:Do you have paid sick leave? Yes, and she has it available. She's also able to work 100% from home, the same as I did for the past two weeks following my positive test, without using any leave whatsoever.
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SkyeAuroline posted:Yes, and she has it available. She's also able to work 100% from home, the same as I did for the past two weeks following my positive test, without using any leave whatsoever. I should be able to say something like 'tell HR to tell her to go home' but that's a lol.
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Outrail posted:I should be able to say something like 'tell HR to tell her to go home' but that's a lol. Doesn't even have to go through HR, our manager could make the call at any time. He just won't. This is the same coworker who barely does their job, and when they do, will just barely meet the absolute minimum if even that and require handholding the whole way for the very basics (I should not have to teach someone how to copy and paste correctly, let alone multiple times). They have to have some kind of arrangement with our manager that makes them untouchable. Nothing else explains how they've been consistently well under minimum metrics, in a department that is married to its metrics, and never even been reprimanded for it.
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SkyeAuroline posted:So I'm back in the office after two weeks from home due to covid, and it turns out that the person who probably got me sick has been here the entire time, in the office still hacking up a storm, and has refused to get tested even when seeing a doctor (and having time off scheduled for just that). Holy cow that's bad. Years ago (pre-covid) had a coworker loudly coughing nonstop and a manager had to tell them to go home. In the case of that person (who had a college degree and plenty of sick time) dealing with them on a regular basis felt like a kindergarten teacher making sure a kid has mittens and keeping an extra pair on hand for the inevitable.
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I've worked at places (and chances are if you're posting in this thread that you've worked at these places too) where you have to come in even if you're visibly sick and a manager has to decide if you're sick enough to be sent home. At a work place where you can just call in, there's no excuse not to.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It also needs a management culture which respects their workers, their experience and their opinions. Amazon does this: every time you log in to your station at the start of shift and midway through the shift a few survey questions will appear on your screen to answer. They're anonymous beyond connecting you to your manager (and I only believe that because I've been here for 4 years with over a dozen managers and not one has come to chew me out over my answers) so your manager's boss can rate how good/bad your manager is. If a question ever has an answer that can be taken in any way as "gently caress you, pay me more" that's the one I slam without hesitation.
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CEO Feels Terrible About Laying Off 900 Employees Over Video Chat, Does It Anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7GVklRqHRY
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Got a new computer sent into the office by corporate IT bc my current model is a piece of poo poo that shuts down randomly, got told I can't have it because the local IT guy thought about it and they feel very sure if they give my 7 year old machine a troubleshoot they'll fix the issue and no need for any new machines how dare I. My computer can barely run Teams, let alone Teams + other stuff. Auuuuggghhhhhh
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ChairmanMauzer posted:CEO Feels Terrible About Laying Off 900 Employees Over Video Chat, Does It Anyway I just read a few articles, that dude is pure unfiltered Captialism. loving psycho: https://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire "And he kept his eye on even the smallest of details. Office managers were chastised if they filled the mini fridges with water brands other than Fiji or Perrier. Garg also insisted on a stockpile of Gerolsteiner, his sparkling beverage of choice. “Why do we have biscotti here like this??” he once demanded to know.Staff came to expect these kinds of dress-downs. A sample email from Garg, which Forbes obtained: “You are TOO drat SLOW. You are a bunch of DUMB DOLPHINS... SO STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE EMBARRASSING ME.”"
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SkyeAuroline posted:Doesn't even have to go through HR, our manager could make the call at any time. He just won't. This is the same coworker who barely does their job, and when they do, will just barely meet the absolute minimum if even that and require handholding the whole way for the very basics (I should not have to teach someone how to copy and paste correctly, let alone multiple times). They have to have some kind of arrangement with our manager that makes them untouchable. Nothing else explains how they've been consistently well under minimum metrics, in a department that is married to its metrics, and never even been reprimanded for it. I'm hesitant to insist anyone should be in the office if they can and want to work from home. However, there are people who just can't function without supervision, and it sounds like your coworker is one of those people who just need help to even get through their day. I can't say I like the idea of keeping someone like that around, but companies/orgs convince themselves that long-term employees have some special knowledge or abilities that make them valuable; logic dictates that they would have been fired by now, otherwise. We finally got rid of a contractor like that this last week; he'd been with the team for over a year, but seemed to be unlearning how to do his job from day one. One of my first experiences with him was watching him send an entire internal email thread, with my corrections to his original email and the words "Lazyfire's comments should be incorporated into the email" in red text to the customer. It somehow slowly got worse and eventually we required he have his work from home privileges revoked and made him work out of the office so his boss at the contracting agency be able to see him at his desk "working." He somehow found a way to leave the office in the middle of the day every day to work from home because "computer issues" and even the contracting firm got sick of his poo poo, but they have no reason to ever get rid of a person who can charge a customer no matter how many issues we have with his work. Even his company, profiting off his incompetence, realized he was a major liability and got rid of him entirely instead of moving him to another customer.
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CaptainJuan posted:https://twitter.com/Gawker/status/1466892673248378881?t=5rl-xu3uSJGya7husyRAQg&s=19
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love forcibly moving people to a completely new office with no infrastructure in place in one of the most expensive cities in the world for amorphous reasons.
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ChairmanMauzer posted:CEO Feels Terrible About Laying Off 900 Employees Over Video Chat, Does It Anyway "The Market has Changed" You're in the mortgage market. You should be doing really well right now unless you've done something extremely dumb with the business model. He did something extremely dumb, didn't he?
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wilderthanmild posted:"The Market has Changed" Well, he gave a suspicious number of stocks to a woman whose sole job responsibility seemed to be “make his employees do what he says.” You wouldn’t think someone who threatened to light his best friend on fire over a business deal would need help in that department, but he fired a tenth of his employees via a prerecorded video, so maybe he really is that spineless.
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And they got a real big cash injection https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/30/better-com-gets-750m-cash-infusion-in-new-agreement-with-its-spac-backers/
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:love forcibly moving people to a completely new office with no infrastructure in place in one of the most expensive cities in the world for amorphous reasons. Didn’t the Onion already lose their best writers when they moved from NY to Chicago in 2011? I think it was around then they stopped having genius video content and became more generic.
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bee posted:First day of my new job in a government agency and I don't have a computer. I accepted and signed the contract for this role over a month ago. 5th day at new job and my computer still hasn't arrived. My role is about 95% computer touching. While reading through the corporate induction materials a colleague printed out for me so I had something to do, I paused at the page listing the organisational values: 
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bee posted:5th day at new job and my computer still hasn't arrived. My role is about 95% computer touching. While reading through the corporate induction materials a colleague printed out for me so I had something to do, I paused at the page listing the organisational values: Well, there's your problem right there - that commitment was current in August. It doesn't say anything about December.
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Crackbone posted:I just read a few articles, that dude is pure unfiltered Captialism. loving psycho: https://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire Big lol that he’s even wearing the ugly gilet body warmer straight out of an episode of Billions
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Do they even have Gerolsteiner in America?
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Do they even have Gerolsteiner in America? Yeah. My dad buys it pretty regularly.
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Escape From Noise posted:Yeah. My dad buys it pretty regularly. Weird. Didn't know they export it this far.
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Weird. Didn't know they export it this far. I don't think it's something you'd get at your average Kroger store or whatever, but they stock it at places like Whole Foods or that's what I remember. I haven't been back to the US in almost 3 years, but I remember my dad buying it pretty often, and this is out in New Mexico so not a huge metropolitan city or anything.
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Weird. Didn't know they export it this far. Mineral water has been exported from Germany for a long time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHvj0MJw7z4
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Got a new computer sent into the office by corporate IT bc my current model is a piece of poo poo that shuts down randomly, got told I can't have it because the local IT guy thought about it and they feel very sure if they give my 7 year old machine a troubleshoot they'll fix the issue and no need for any new machines how dare I. Sounds like the local IT guy is a pissweasel, ask him if he's sent the new machine back yet.
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~Coxy posted:TPS, Six Sigma, Lean, Agile, Kanban I assume they can all be good but people just cargo-cult the name and/or ceremony. gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you they aren't good they can never be good you aren't toyota and adding more acronyms to waste people's time won't make you meet goals on time or save any money Yes I am mad
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Work separates me from the six hours of leafblowers. There are no leaves.
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bonelessdongs posted:gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you they aren't good they can never be good you aren't toyota and adding more acronyms to waste people's time won't make you meet goals on time or save any money Gonna slightly disagree with this. I implemented Kanban for exactly one project when we were buried under a mountain of defects, and the strict WIP limits saved us an assload of time on a daily basis. When things smoothed out, I junked it and we went back to our regular loose structure. The problem with these approaches is not that they're necessarily bad, it's that places implement them without considering whether or not they're appropriate to the particular projects they're applied to. Hammer/nail etc.
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SubnormalityStairs posted:Gonna slightly disagree with this. I implemented Kanban for exactly one project when we were buried under a mountain of defects, and the strict WIP limits saved us an assload of time on a daily basis. When things smoothed out, I junked it and we went back to our regular loose structure. Yeah it's partly this and also partly that a lot of companies are structured in such a way that they can't implement them correctly so they try to do "our version" of the framework instead of restructuring because restructuring is "too hard". Then it inevitably fails and they blame the framework instead of themselves.
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bonelessdongs posted:gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you they aren't good they can never be good you aren't toyota and adding more acronyms to waste people's time won't make you meet goals on time or save any money Yeah, if I learned that because of the activation process and implementing standups and ceremonies our trucks now use 5% less fuel or credit card transactions are 1% faster it would make sense, but I've never heard of any identifiable benefits.
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SubnormalityStairs posted:Gonna slightly disagree with this. I implemented Kanban for exactly one project when we were buried under a mountain of defects, and the strict WIP limits saved us an assload of time on a daily basis. When things smoothed out, I junked it and we went back to our regular loose structure. Same, though with the important context that I work for a heavy industrial manufacturing company. If you put a serious process in place and don't gently caress with it for a while and respect your employees, you can see incredible results.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Yeah, if I learned that because of the activation process and implementing standups and ceremonies our trucks now use 5% less fuel or credit card transactions are 1% faster it would make sense, but I've never heard of any identifiable benefits. Agile frameworks work best for small and medium sized companies because it's easier for them to do all the necessary restructuring to enable success. I mostly work with large companies in the finance sector and lmao at the massive amounts of resistance from the execs when we tell them what's really necessary to successfully be agile. I won't poo poo up the thread by listing it all out but they have to fundamentally change their hierarchy, planning, funding, how they reward people at the end of the year, job descriptions, giving people the bandwidth to do training and let them get used to doing things a different way, etc. They don't want to do any of that and they think they can just do "our version" of it and force a square peg into a round hole and it never works and they never consider that maybe they're the ones who hosed up by not taking the time to do it right. I still get paid though so lol
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Why change anything at all? If you're employed your employer is obviously doing alright already. Just let it ride man. Management systems get implemented and get mad at for the same reason: it has a name and you can identify it in conversation. It's easy to say we're going to TPS. It's easy to say God TPS sucks when your employer fails at it. It's harder to proselytize for or against The Vague Processes My Large Employer Has Crystalized For No Real Reason.
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Not my work, but my oldest son. He works on maintaining equipment for semiconductor fabs. The maintenance shop has recently got a new manager and 1 of 3 techs has already quit. The new manager pulled my kid into his office, inquired about his recent request for more money derisively and told him he wasn't worth what he was getting paid now. Kid told him to gently caress off and started looked for jobs immediately. This was just a couple of days ago and he's got the first interview lined up on Thursday. lmao eat poo poo
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TotalLossBrain posted:Not my work, but my oldest son. He works on maintaining equipment for semiconductor fabs. The maintenance shop has recently got a new manager and 1 of 3 techs has already quit. The new manager pulled my kid into his office, inquired about his recent request for more money derisively and told him he wasn't worth what he was getting paid now. I hope your kid gets paid $Texas at new job for dealing with that bullshit at the old one. It takes a special kind of leader to make feel someone feel that small.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Agile frameworks work best for small and medium sized companies because it's easier for them to do all the necessary restructuring to enable success. I mostly work with large companies in the finance sector and lmao at the massive amounts of resistance from the execs when we tell them what's really necessary to successfully be agile. I won't poo poo up the thread by listing it all out but they have to fundamentally change their hierarchy, planning, funding, how they reward people at the end of the year, job descriptions, giving people the bandwidth to do training and let them get used to doing things a different way, etc. They don't want to do any of that and they think they can just do "our version" of it and force a square peg into a round hole and it never works and they never consider that maybe they're the ones who hosed up by not taking the time to do it right. That makes sense, yeah we aren't vaguely in the ballpark of having success with agile not even in the same city. Probably doesn't help big chunks of our team seem to do nothing but learn about change management all day. Not to apply the lessons, just to learn about neuroscience for no business purpose. Like taking a dozen cashiers off the floor the week before Christmas to read wikipedia articles about Italian soccer teams. TotalLossBrain posted:Not my work, but my oldest son. He works on maintaining equipment for semiconductor fabs. The maintenance shop has recently got a new manager and 1 of 3 techs has already quit. The new manager pulled my kid into his office, inquired about his recent request for more money derisively and told him he wasn't worth what he was getting paid now. Ahahaha holy cow wouldn't anything semiconductor related be in high demand? Dang telling an employee they aren't worth the money is insane, I would worry about (aside from losing another worker) having an employee who is now motivated to commit petty sabotage. Like telling movers at the start of the day they will receive no tip then expecting everything to make it in one piece.
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Elephant Ambush posted:I won't poo poo up the thread by listing it all out Literally what the thread is here for: Cheap group therapy and whining about dumb poo poo your work does. poo poo away
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Outrail posted:Literally what the thread is here for: Cheap group therapy and whining about dumb poo poo your work does. poo poo away Nobody wants to read a wall of text describing what large corporations need to change in order to be successfully agile. If people ask I can post some bullet points and maybe a couple funny stories but otherwise I'm going to mostly lurk.
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