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quote:Norway is reporting 73.8% of sales last month coming from all-electric vehicles, and the number goes up to 94.9% when adding all vehicles with batteries: https://electrek.co/2021/12/03/norway-again-shows-all-electric-car-future-closer-than-people-think/ I wonder if that number couldn't be even higher if EV deliveries weren't so constrained. Like I've thought so many times before, it's really starting to pick up the pace. Earlier it was perhaps easier to argue against, "oh it's only 5%, only 10%, only 20%". Which is about where Germany is now. Even if that market is much bigger, EVs in general are so much better and the idea of EVs as practically usable more widely accepted now, so their pace up to 70+% might not be much slower. Sooner or later we can look back at this time with nostalgia, when EVs were a cool, risky choice and not just simply a normal car. My neighborhood has a few parking garages owned by the municipality, some of the spots have charging but most are taken. I got my plate today (in the registration database that is) so I could apply for a spot, which was easily sorted with a few emails. With the sales numbers it's only a question of time before they are full. It's a 7 minute walk from my house according to Google, so not perfectly ideal. But we are moving to a new place in March with a basement garage spot included where I can install charging, so while I was prepared to deal with public charging only to begin with it looks like I won't go a single day of EV ownership without access to my own charging spot. Sweet! Everything set for delivery on Monday, Thursday the week after that we load it up with some skis and see how it does up in the cold mountains.
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Hey EV thread. I visited AI on the BYOB spaceship a few months ago, and started lurking in this thread, because my 2011 Mitsubishi was starting to give out and I was considering buying an ev to replace it. I learned a lot from all the back and forth itt, which made my buying decision a lot easier. Now that I am a Tesla owner I thought I should stop by and say thanks, and you all could congratulate me or call me a musk simp or w/e.
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Prof. Crocodile posted:Hey EV thread. I visited AI on the BYOB spaceship a few months ago, and started lurking in this thread, because my 2011 Mitsubishi was starting to give out and I was considering buying an ev to replace it. Congrats! Post a pic of it. And your doge wallet.
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Prof. Crocodile posted:Hey EV thread. I visited AI on the BYOB spaceship a few months ago, and started lurking in this thread, because my 2011 Mitsubishi was starting to give out and I was considering buying an ev to replace it. Also make sure you life insurance and Will are up to date if you find yourself enjoying Autopilot Lightspeed Beta 6.7
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today in dumb smart car things, my wife drove the Mach e for like three weeks while I was away dealing with family stuff and the computer has pegged the range down to like 130m on a 90% charge because she didn’t precondition it in the garage and had the cabin heat cranked to 85
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kitten emergency posted:today in dumb smart car things, my wife drove the Mach e for like three weeks while I was away dealing with family stuff and the computer has pegged the range down to like 130m on a 90% charge because she didn’t precondition it in the garage and had the cabin heat cranked to 85 My wife cranks up the heat on the Kia. If it didn’t have the heat pump some of our recent trips would have been more of an adventure.
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FilthyImp posted:Enjoy! The technology in there is going to be very enjoyable compared to a 2011 model! I went from a 2000 Toyota Echo, manual everything, to the 2020 Kia EV. So weird.
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What kind of hit on range are you seeing with the cabin on sauna setting? My car just sits on 21.5C and if I'm cold when I get in I whack on the heated seat and wheel. I stingily didn't get rear heated seats so passengers back there have to suck it up.
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Sauna cabin + colder exterior temps knocked me from about 200 mi estimated range at 90% SoC to 130 mi.
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its funny to watch it try and figure out what the “correct” estimate is now that I’m preconditioning, because it’ll just sit at 129 for my little trips around town
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VideoGameVet posted:I went from a 2000 Toyota Echo, manual everything, to the 2020 Kia EV. So weird. There have been at least 2 Echo people here, with many miles on them too, I think an autocrosser too.
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Prof. Crocodile posted:Hey EV thread. I visited AI on the BYOB spaceship a few months ago, and started lurking in this thread, because my 2011 Mitsubishi was starting to give out and I was considering buying an ev to replace it. Congrats! What model / color did you get? On a different but EV related subject, I could probably use some blood pressure medication for the next couple days, not even 24 hours after I had new winter tires and wheels installed on my Tesla I found a wood screw in one of them. Threaded it out and sprayed the area with soapy water, no air bubbles that I could detect, may have been saved by catching it early thanks to it being a quiet EV on smooth pavement so you hear if something is sticking out of a tire, and it being a relatively short screw going in at an angle, and having the max tread depth available. But even if it does start to leak, I marked the tire about where it was with some chalk and it was dead center of the wheel so there should be no issues patching it (pretty sure these tires don't have the acoustic foam either). And I have easy access to a spare tire should the need arise, since I have all 4 of the all season tires and wheels on hand now.
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Charles posted:There have been at least 2 Echo people here, with many miles on them too, I think an autocrosser too. My wife sold her Echo with 200k miles and the original clutch
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Indiana_Krom posted:Congrats! What model / color did you get? Good catch, and good point about sound. On a summer trip with a Leaf once, just cruising through a scenic area, I had to stop and pick a pebble out of the thread because the tap tap tap was interrupting the magic carpet illusion.
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Prof. Crocodile posted:Hey EV thread. I visited AI on the BYOB spaceship a few months ago, and started lurking in this thread, because my 2011 Mitsubishi was starting to give out and I was considering buying an ev to replace it. We love all ev owners here even if you bought from the fifth element bad guy.
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Elephanthead posted:We love all ev owners here even if you bought from the fifth element bad guy. As long as his business dealings with Mr. Shadow don’t affect my resale value prior to the planet being destroyed, I’m ok with it. Though Musk will never be as cool (outside his own head, of course) as the CEO of Nissan who escaped to Lebanon in a shipping container while on house arrest for his various financial crimes.
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I drove my dad to Albuquerque in the LEAF today. It went fine EXCEPT FOR THE EA CHARGER Good lord. The card reader was broken, so after failing to tap, swipe, and chip, I had to download the app, set up an account, and preload $10. Then my payment was rejected four separate times. On the fifth time, it worked. My dad decided the technology wasn't ready yet, and I can't say I blame him. The charge point station was super smooth, no problems, but this EA charger was horrid. E: oh, and it costs by the minute. At 40kW. cruft fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 4, 2021 |
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VideoGameVet posted:My wife cranks up the heat on the Kia. If it didn’t have the heat pump some of our recent trips would have been more of an adventure. The lack of a heat pump and the barely adequate AC (I live in Vegas, it's loving hot here 9 months/year) are my only complaints on the Volt.
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cruft posted:I drove my dad to Albuquerque in the LEAF today. It went fine I cannot wait for EA to get to experience parity with the supercharger network. I read recently that the id.4 doesn't do plug and charge on EA? What the gently caress?
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Wayne Knight posted:I read recently that the id.4 doesn't do plug and charge on EA? What the gently caress? There was actually a VW SUV looking thing plugged in there, not sure what it was though. It kinda looked like a Mach E to me.
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Godholio posted:The lack of a heat pump and the barely adequate AC (I live in Vegas, it's loving hot here 9 months/year) are my only complaints on the Volt. Yeah the Volt heat is strange. I understand why they did it that way in a PHEV. But then they used the same exact system on the Bolt, which made absolutely no sense.
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Godholio posted:The lack of a heat pump and the barely adequate AC (I live in Vegas, it's loving hot here 9 months/year) are my only complaints on the Volt. Is there maybe an issue with your AC? I live in MS and it's definitely more than decent enough here.
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Wayne Knight posted:I cannot wait for EA to get to experience parity with the supercharger network. It didn’t at launch. I don’t think it’s been added yet. The Mach-E does though and it’s worked fine at every EA charger I’ve tried so far.
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Warrior Princess posted:Is there maybe an issue with your AC? I live in MS and it's definitely more than decent enough here. No, it's fine, but we spend 6 months at 110+ with no clouds. I just wish it was BETTER.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:It didn’t at launch. I don’t think it’s been added yet. The Mach-E does though and it’s worked fine at every EA charger I’ve tried so far. That’s honestly a very good thing to hear. It was not the early-buyer experience; I recall one video dedicated to a reviewer’s anger about his dinner being interrupted constantly by connection failures, because for some reason plug-and-charge sessions died after exactly 20 minutes (maybe some reauth period?). Fixing that was (correctly) a high priority, it seems. For EVs to thrive in a world where gasoline cars are still available, they have to be better in easily-identifiable ways than what’s out there now. Charging at home is obviously an improvement, but that doesn’t always cover everyone’s vehicle use. If my 70-year-old parents (or most of their generation) have to download new apps and use NFC and keep a balance in some nebulous account in order to charge when they’re away from home, they’re not going to make the switch. The Tesla/Ford method of just plugging the car in and walking away represents an actual improvement to the process.
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Godholio posted:No, it's fine, but we spend 6 months at 110+ with no clouds. I just wish it was BETTER. Oof, I didn't realize Vegas was that bad. Meanwhile down here in the swamp my biggest complaint is the rear wiper. There isn't one. I have to constantly clean grime off of the back glass to use my rear mirror. Warrior Princess fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Dec 5, 2021 |
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Sonic Dude posted:That’s honestly a very good thing to hear. It was not the early-buyer experience; I recall one video dedicated to a reviewer’s anger about his dinner being interrupted constantly by connection failures, because for some reason plug-and-charge sessions died after exactly 20 minutes (maybe some reauth period?). Fixing that was (correctly) a high priority, it seems. Well, it’s worked flawlessly at EA so far but both Volta and EVGo chargers have failed to work at all so, uh, still a lot of work to do there Ford.
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Sonic Dude posted:If my 70-year-old parents (or most of their generation) have to download new apps and use NFC and keep a balance in some nebulous account in order to charge when they’re away from home, they’re not going to make the switch. The Tesla/Ford method of just plugging the car in and walking away represents an actual improvement to the process. It’s not just true of the elderly. To get the overwhelming majority of people to switch to electric, it needs to be an improvement over what they already have, in order to overcome the innate human resistance to change. The Tesla/Ford model of plug in and walk away should be the BASELINE charging experience. At a public manufacturer-agnostic station, I’d also allow a credit card swipe, but no apps, no NFC chips, no loving membership keyfobs barcodes.
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The absolute worst systems are the one where you fill up with cash on an account for charging, and it automatically fills up when your balance drops below for example $10. Fuckers are sitting on a ton of cash that they earn interest off or use for other stuff. Not like you can get it back neither (at least not without jumping through a ton of hoops etc).
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Okay, long(er) distance LEAF trip is over, and here's what I can report: The loving LEAF is a sold car. I want to hate it but I just can't. It's got hardly any range, but once you accept that, it's an awesome car. Comfortable seats for distance travel, stereo's fine, plenty of storage, drives nicely, it just isn't giving me anything to be angry about. And that makes me angry. I want to hate this car so much I don't mind selling it and getting a Niro or another Model 3. The charging experience is a horrible mess, though. Y'all have captured most of it, and bear in mind this is chademo so CCS might be better (it's at least faster). I had to go back to the same EA station again and it was pretty smooth since I knew what to expect. I paid $3.64 for 8kWh due to their boneheaded pricing. On the way up i stopped by a new Blink charger that had recently been converted from EVGo. There was a leaf parked at it and the driver was on the phone with tech support because the screen was on the fritz. Tech support insisted it wasn't their charger, and then hung up on her. I happened to have a Blink card in the glove compartment so I smacked it against the reader and her car started charging. This is the only L3 charger for 40 miles in any direction. She was pretty pumped about not having to call a tow truck. So the LEAF pretty much rules, and the chargers are (currently) a horrible nightmare. My EV recommendation is going to change as a result of this. If you don't think you'll be leaving your town, get whatever you like best. If you're going to be driving on the highway, get a Tesla. Cruft Jr still wants to take the LEAF to college in Las Cruces. I've explained what a poo poo show it's going to be getting home, but I guess I'll just plan a 2-day trip to get the car down there and give Jr the opportunity to experience firsthand why we keep insisting this is a dumb decision!
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I’ve had my 40kwh 2018 Leaf for about two months now, and while it does indeed suck that Nissan neglected to improve the battery cooling/DC fast charging situation over the years I’m still quite happy with the car (E-Pedal driving owns and in general it’s a nicely put together vehicle). Fortunately, my use case—no commute, wife’s ICE car for longer trips, etc.—means that my needs are well suited with this car. That being said I 100% understand that its relatively short range, lack of battery cooling, and chademo DCFC make it undesirable for a ton of people out there. Nissan fundamentally hosed up in a few different ways here. They had such an early lead with their affordable EV and they sat on their thumbs while others not only innovated but made obviously better design decisions.
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VideoGameVet posted:I went from a 2000 Toyota Echo, manual everything, to the 2020 Kia EV. So weird. I will be going from a 2012 Civic Si (traditional turn key ignition, manual transmission, no backup camera, no nav, ect...) to a Model 3 LR. I am expecting it to be a bit of a tech shock. And possibly a bit of an acceleration shock.
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Antillie posted:I will be going from a 2012 Civic Si (traditional turn key ignition, manual transmission, no backup camera, no nav, ect...) to a Model 3 LR. I am expecting it to be a bit of a tech shock. And possibly a bit of an acceleration shock. I have the sense that a lot of Tesla owners made a similar transition. Our previous car was a manual transmission Subaru Outback, which itself replaced... a manual transmission Subaru Outback.
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MrYenko posted:It’s not just true of the elderly. To get the overwhelming majority of people to switch to electric, it needs to be an improvement over what they already have, in order to overcome the innate human resistance to change. The Tesla/Ford model of plug in and walk away should be the BASELINE charging experience. At a public manufacturer-agnostic station, I’d also allow a credit card swipe, but no apps, no NFC chips, no loving membership keyfobs barcodes. There is only one charging network here so perhaps things are a bit different but personally I find the RFID fob more convenient than trying to use a credit card at a petrol station. For some reason pay at pump at a petrol station is always slow and convoluted, they generally make you swipe a loyalty card to avoid getting completely ripped off and paywave/contactless is always disabled. And that's assuming the card reader at the pump is actually working - if it's broken you need to venture inside and wait behind a queue of people buying coffee these days. Charging is comparatively simple - swipe the fob then plug in.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:As the data sample set increases by the number of vehicles sold, they're able to find out how durable/reliable their motors are, and make improvements. Why not sell the extra power if it's safe to do so? Because paying extra to access the stock abilities of your tens-of-thousands-of-dollars daily drive is pure lovely late-stage capitalism? MrYenko posted:It’s not just true of the elderly. To get the overwhelming majority of people to switch to electric, it needs to be an improvement over what they already have, in order to overcome the innate human resistance to change. The Tesla/Ford model of plug in and walk away should be the BASELINE charging experience. At a public manufacturer-agnostic station, I’d also allow a credit card swipe, but no apps, no NFC chips, no loving membership keyfobs barcodes. They also have to be able to afford it. Most of the US, not to mention the greater world, can't afford to buy a new car. Full stop. Especially if ICE trade-in values tank because they're not being produced or sold. Given that EVs are more expensive to manufacture than ICE cars (and not expected to reach parity until ~2030), there's no good way to actually bring prices down short of bigger government subsidies, or waiting years for a robust used market to exist. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Dec 5, 2021 |
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Liquid Communism posted:Because paying extra to access the stock abilities of your tens-of-thousands-of-dollars daily drive is pure lovely late-stage capitalism? It's this. These updates should be free or available for a small fee. $1,000+ to unlock the physical potential of a vehicle the customer supposedly already owns is some dystopian poo poo.
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