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Chris Cuomo is probably done at CNN (finally) after it became clear just how much interference he was running for his brother. https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/11/30/cnn-chris-cuomo-suspended/ quote:In May, The Washington Post reported that Cuomo had joined conference calls to discuss how to handle the allegations. At the time, the network said it was “inappropriate” for Cuomo to engage in conversations that included members of the governor’s staff; the host acknowledged his error in doing so and pledged not to do so again.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 04:36 |
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# ? May 16, 2024 17:27 |
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Just think... Toobin jerking himself off on a Zoom call is not the most troubling of sexual harassment allegations amongst senior staff at CNN. I expect Cuomo will suffer similarly light consequences once the heat is off.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 05:17 |
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PT6A posted:Just think... Toobin jerking himself off on a Zoom call is not the most troubling of sexual harassment allegations amongst senior staff at CNN. Yeah, so Toobin's punishment was what, just eight months off the job? I'm willing to bet when he was fired he was given at least half that much of salary in severance.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 05:39 |
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/30/media/chris-cuomo-suspended/index.html Chris Cuomo suspended indefinitely today, per CNN, who put it on the top of their page. Usually this sort of news gets buried or ignored on the media outlet it happened on and it's the competing outlets who run with it. And it was a surprise to Cuomo, and to Anderson Cooper, who had to fill in for him at the last minute.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 07:25 |
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yeah uh, bad news about that "indefinitely" part https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1466106721835835400 considering how toobin got treated, i have pretty low expectations in regards to this
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# ? Dec 2, 2021 03:53 |
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Here's my suggested rebranding for CNN when Toobin is on air: ~cnn8
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# ? Dec 2, 2021 04:14 |
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A big flaming stink posted:yeah uh, bad news about that "indefinitely" part Firing a prominent television personality seems like a tricky process. Dan Rather remained on the CBS Evening News for six months after running the fake Bush memo story even as they fired some of the behind the scenes people, and he still sued CBS for being fired. Since they're very public figures, there could be libel concerns that you don't see in other jobs from an immediate and splashy firing. It'd hurt their brand too. Cuomo may even go back on the air and then "leave the network" shortly after that, for totally unrelated reasons, honest.
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 10:30 |
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A big flaming stink posted:yeah uh, bad news about that "indefinitely" part He would be far less likely to come back if he had refused to push things like Russiagate or the Iraq War.
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 11:35 |
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Wheeljack posted:Firing a prominent television personality seems like a tricky process. Dan Rather remained on the CBS Evening News for six months after running the fake Bush memo story even as they fired some of the behind the scenes people, and he still sued CBS for being fired. Since they're very public figures, there could be libel concerns that you don't see in other jobs from an immediate and splashy firing. It'd hurt their brand too. Cuomo may even go back on the air and then "leave the network" shortly after that, for totally unrelated reasons, honest. Didn't they permanently can a guy for criticizing Israel
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 12:26 |
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Shageletic posted:Didn't they permanently can a guy for criticizing Israel Yep, Marc Lamont Hill. Chris will probably be doing the New Years show for CNN.
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 13:25 |
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Shageletic posted:Didn't they permanently can a guy for criticizing Israel Of course, they did. He did a speech at the UN and called for the boycott of Israel. Was called antisemitic and fired extremely fast. Crime against the regime are dealt with really fast.
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 14:22 |
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It's possible, and I hope, that Stelter is just wishfully talking out of his rear end about a friend, but the Toobin precedent (and the fact that Stelter probably has insider knowledge of the situation) suggests otherwise. If they do a real investigation and actually care about what it concludes then he's done, it's just that neither of those things is a foregone conclusion.
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 15:31 |
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Mellow Seas posted:It's possible, and I hope, that Stelter is just wishfully talking out of his rear end about a friend, but the Toobin precedent (and the fact that Stelter probably has insider knowledge of the situation) suggests otherwise.
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 16:19 |
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Toplowtech posted:Of course he will be back far faster than Toobin: just look at all the blue check marks who went "i would do the same to protect family", totally ignoring that what he did was mostly (ab)using his position to find material to discredit his brother's accusers. https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1467258845646962690 I'm honestly a bit surprised by this. CNN has made the worst decision so often for so long I didn't think it would happen.
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# ? Dec 4, 2021 23:28 |
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Doloen posted:https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1467258845646962690 poo poo, I'm honestly surprised by this too. Good job, CNN?? It feels so weird typing those words....
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# ? Dec 4, 2021 23:38 |
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Just imagine the poo poo they found for this to happen.
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# ? Dec 4, 2021 23:40 |
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Doloen posted:https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1467258845646962690
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# ? Dec 4, 2021 23:45 |
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PT6A posted:Just imagine the poo poo they found for this to happen. Yeah seriously
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 00:45 |
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Could be CNN wanted to have an ironclad legal reason to fire him to avoid a lawsuit, could be they just waited till the weekend to reduce the coverage of it some.
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 02:26 |
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Wheeljack posted:Could be CNN wanted to have an ironclad legal reason to fire him to avoid a lawsuit, could be they just waited till the weekend to reduce the coverage of it some. Maybe, but this may indicate that's not what happened https://twitter.com/jeremymbarr/status/1467273197754228746
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 02:41 |
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Wheeljack posted:Could be CNN wanted to have an ironclad legal reason to fire him to avoid a lawsuit, could be they just waited till the weekend to reduce the coverage of it some. I mean.. they're a private company. Couldn't they pretty much just say "we don't want you anymore"?
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 02:51 |
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Kalit posted:I mean.. they're a private company. Couldn't they pretty much just say "we don't want you anymore"? Being fired "for cause" has contractual implications on incentives present in most high-paying jobs, and the reasons that qualify are explicitly enumerated in those contracts. For example, it could've been the difference between needing to pay him a year's pay in severance versus nothing at all.
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 03:03 |
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Kalit posted:I mean.. they're a private company. Couldn't they pretty much just say "we don't want you anymore"? I'm assuming there would be a contract involved, so it's possible they just needed to make sure they met whatever conditions were in it that would allow them to fire him without being sued for unlawful termination or something. Personally, I figure they were willing to try to let it slide under the rug and then found out something that would make it un-ruggable and cut their losses while they were ahead/before it became public, but, who knows? Well, besides the bigwigs at CNN.
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 03:03 |
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gently caress the cuomos, good riddance and it's nice to see both of them get shitcanned in the same year.
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 03:32 |
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Maybe the funniest thing about the Cuomo shitcanning is the number of media world psychos rushing forward to explain that in the right circumstances they would ABSOLUTELY help cover up a sex crime https://twitter.com/LEBassett/status/1465881548239122434?s=20 https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1465872699868200962?s=20 I mean I get that you can't exactly write "enabler" on your linkedin but advertising it this way just seems crass
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 03:45 |
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Here we go, sounds like new allegations against Chris? https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/1467342309255696384 https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/1467342831694004224
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 05:12 |
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500 good dogs posted:Here we go, sounds like new allegations against Chris? Chris' crimes also involve lying directly to both the backroom and the audience at home about what he was doing. Extremely wild that the quintessential Democratic machine politician and his well-placed brother have become total disgraces inside of a year.
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# ? Dec 7, 2021 19:52 |
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500 good dogs posted:Maybe, but this may indicate that's not what happened https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/media/cnn-fires-chris-cuomo/index.html Though CNN also said: quote:"CNN said Saturday that anchor Chris Cuomo has been "terminated" by the network, "effective immediately." I'm a little impressed I read it ON CNN instead of them just keeping it quiet and letting competitors run the story. Also, Cuomo has left or "left" his Sirius XM Radio gig. In any case, good riddance to bad rubbish.
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# ? Dec 8, 2021 07:02 |
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3v5ng/girls-sexual-abuse-multiple-coaches-blackhills-football-club So an appalling story of child rape by a coach at the club, the victims finally starting to get some semblance of justice over a decade later. Digging down into the story though it really does reveal how hosed the American justice system is. Because the rapist is poor (or at least not rich) there is no point going after him so he gets to walk away scot free. The (culpable) football club pays out some compensation instead because that's where the profit is. What
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# ? Feb 7, 2022 18:16 |
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Flayer posted:https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3v5ng/girls-sexual-abuse-multiple-coaches-blackhills-football-club The decision not to sue the rapist was made by the victim, which makes sense in a civil trial if the rapist has no assets. It would be great if this ended up getting criminal charges laid, I doubt there's a statute of limitations issue.
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# ? Feb 7, 2022 18:44 |
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Digging up the political opinions of a rape victim should probably be prohibited in D&D.
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# ? Feb 26, 2022 18:06 |
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Nucleic Acids posted:Digging up the political opinions of a rape victim should probably be prohibited in D&D. Seriously. Pointing out the hypocrisy on constantly calling Bret Kavanaugh a rapist while giving Joe Biden a pass shouldn't be met with "yeah, but did you know that Tara Reade supports Putin? Just asking..." It's on the same level as "yeah, but did you see what she was wearing?"
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# ? Feb 26, 2022 18:54 |
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Biden Overhauls Military Justice Code, Seeking to Curb Sexual Assault Original link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/28/us/politics/biden-military-sexual-assault.html This is the culmination of a law Dems passed in 2021 (spearhaded by Sen. Gillibrand) and it replaces commanders with independent military prosecutors in cases of sexual assault, rape, murder and domestic violence. Those prosecutors will in turn report to the civilian leaders of each branch. quote:The largest overhaul of the Uniform Code of Military Justice since its creation in 1950 removes commanders’ authority over cases of sexual assault and a handful of other high-profile crimes.
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By engaging with the exploitative TV, film, and music industries, or the all too often misogynist and pedophilic mediums of video games or anime, am I perpetuating rape culture? Everyone I've met seems to think no, but I can't stomach the idea of thinking my enjoyment of a film is more important than the life and safety of a woman who the director raped in college. I feel like by enjoying anything at all I'm just another walking insult to survivors of sexual violence. How are so many just able to go about their day finding enjoyment in things so closely related to a culture of hurting women and shaming them afterward and coming away not feeling disgusted?
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# ? Apr 17, 2024 17:34 |
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emSparkly posted:By engaging with the exploitative TV, film, and music industries, or the all too often misogynist and pedophilic mediums of video games or anime, am I perpetuating rape culture? Everyone I've met seems to think no, but I can't stomach the idea of thinking my enjoyment of a film is more important than the life and safety of a woman who the director raped in college. I feel like by enjoying anything at all I'm just another walking insult to survivors of sexual violence. How are so many just able to go about their day finding enjoyment in things so closely related to a culture of hurting women and shaming them afterward and coming away not feeling disgusted? We're a hateful and corrupt species, OP
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# ? Apr 17, 2024 17:38 |
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emSparkly posted:By engaging with the exploitative TV, film, and music industries, or the all too often misogynist and pedophilic mediums of video games or anime, am I perpetuating rape culture? Everyone I've met seems to think no, but I can't stomach the idea of thinking my enjoyment of a film is more important than the life and safety of a woman who the director raped in college. I feel like by enjoying anything at all I'm just another walking insult to survivors of sexual violence. How are so many just able to go about their day finding enjoyment in things so closely related to a culture of hurting women and shaming them afterward and coming away not feeling disgusted? To answer your last question, human beings are fairly good at compartmentalizing, for better or worse. I don't mean this as some kind of stupid gotcha, but your question could just as well apply to more or less any other field of human endeavour. This is a nearly decade-old Vox article, so not the best source available, but they had this handy chart: Obviously we all agree that sexual harassment is awful, workplace-related or otherwise, but basically by spending money on anything you're throwing it at industries where rape culture exists. One option would be to go full Ted Kaczynski (without the bombs!) and live "off the grid", but that's not feasible for everybody. Alternatively, one could attempt some kind of moral calculus: "I must eat, therefore giving money to grocery chains I have to do even if it perpetuates hostile workplaces, but watching a Kevin Spacey movie isn't necessary for my survival", etc., but this is where that compartmentalization comes in. I personally don't really think I'm perpetuating rape culture (at least very directly) if I watch a copy of American Beauty, at least in the sense that I'm somehow keeping mister Spacey's career alive, that movie itself has some problematic themes though. And the flip-side of this is that by disengaging from, in this case, mass media, there's no avenue left for attempting to enact change. To pick a current example, the guy who played a big bad dude in the Marvel Cinematic Universe recently and was slated to star in a bunch of movies got his career kinda poo poo-canned after his atrocious behaviour came to light, and the consuming populace at large made it clear that they no longer wanted to consume products with that dude in them. This particular case is still kinda in the air as far as I know, but you get the gist, I think. I personally don't think capitalism can be "salvaged" via ethical consumption or whatever, and we can cynically point out that only the rapists who get caught too publicly and/or are not too "big" to dislodge (Jimmy Savile?) actually face consequences for their direct participation in sexual assault and rape culture. If you personally can't stomach watching pop media due to their corporate culture, that's your choice and I doubt anyone would fault you for it. But the answer to your question is some linear combination of powerlessness, apathy and a smattering of psychological defences.
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# ? Apr 17, 2024 18:24 |
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I am *really* curious about those numbers per worker (easy to find numbers for tbh, might try) or per female worker (less easy but probably doable on the fly). My immediate guess is that the manufacturing numbers are even worse when calculated that way. It's also for charges filed which... dunno how that shakes out per actual incident in each industry.
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# ? May 16, 2024 17:27 |
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emSparkly posted:By engaging with the exploitative TV, film, and music industries, or the all too often misogynist and pedophilic mediums of video games or anime, am I perpetuating rape culture? Everyone I've met seems to think no, but I can't stomach the idea of thinking my enjoyment of a film is more important than the life and safety of a woman who the director raped in college. I feel like by enjoying anything at all I'm just another walking insult to survivors of sexual violence. How are so many just able to go about their day finding enjoyment in things so closely related to a culture of hurting women and shaming them afterward and coming away not feeling disgusted? Guilt, by itself, doesn't actually accomplish much. If you're channeling that guilt into fighting for a better world, working to pitch in and help fix the problems you feel guilty about, or at least help the victims, that's one thing. But if you're just sitting around telling yourself you're not allowed to enjoy things for fear that somebody involved in that thing may have exploited or harmed someone else once in their past, then you're not helping anyone. You're just putting a shoddy veneer of martyrdom over some flavor of depression.
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