FreudianSlippers posted:His name means Spearwielder Deathskin (or Hell Skin if you prefer) EDIT: viking snipe.
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That Italian Guy posted:Of the Goteborg Deathskins? No, the New Hampshire Deathskins
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Dec 4, 2021 19:34
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I know the "viking graffiti at the hagia sofia" is kind a cliche cool-history-fact, but I really like how it completely breaks people's pre-conceptions about how isolated people were in Ye Olden Times. It's all too easy to think of history as a bunch of discrete peoples and events that never interacted at all. Yeah, and there are examples of Norse artifacts with decorations that are okay imitations of Arabic script with Islamic religious phrases. Doesn't mean the dudes who made them were converts to Islam, probably more like someone brought some souvenirs from abroad and thought they looked cool so wanted to make their own.
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Dec 4, 2021 19:41
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean the Scandinavians were racist because everyone was. Not in the modern sense of white versus black but in the classical sense in that you were extremely racist against everyone that wasn’t your people. On the other hand, whenever the Norse settled in a place which already had a significant population, they vanished in a couple of generations due to marrying locals. No shits to give for 'racial purity'.
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Dec 4, 2021 19:44
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Groke posted:On the other hand, whenever the Norse settled in a place which already had a significant population, they vanished in a couple of generations due to marrying locals. No shits to give for 'racial purity'. please don't tell varg vikernes this
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Dec 4, 2021 19:48
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datajugend posted:Oh yeah thats true, that movie is partially based on an arab man who travelled to scandinavia. A darker skinned man from a world that was ahead in science and technology could be a magic black man. Ahmad ibn Fadlan, but he never went to Scandinavia. He travelled in Eastern Europe and some of the people he wrote about were (probably) Swedish vikings who'd gone along the rivers there.
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Dec 4, 2021 20:18
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Arivia posted:please don't tell varg vikernes this He'd probably justify it as them not being true vikings or someshit, lmao
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Dec 4, 2021 20:36
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Russia is called Russia because the Rus (what Finns call Swedes) founded a bunch of settlements like Kænugarður (Kiev) and Hólmgarður (Novgorod). Rúrik, the leader of the Rus in Hólmgarður then became the founder of the ruling dynasty in all the various principalities of what is now Russia until the 17th century when the Romanovs took over. FreudianSlippers has a new favorite as of 21:02 on Dec 4, 2021 |
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Dec 4, 2021 20:45
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Groke posted:Yeah, and there are examples of Norse artifacts with decorations that are okay imitations of Arabic script with Islamic religious phrases. Doesn't mean the dudes who made them were converts to Islam, probably more like someone brought some souvenirs from abroad and thought they looked cool so wanted to make their own. Oh I did not know that, that's awesome. My pre-conceptions about how isolated people were in Ye Olden Times are now slightly more broken.
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Dec 4, 2021 20:57
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Oh I did not know that, that's awesome. My pre-conceptions about how isolated people were in Ye Olden Times are now slightly more broken. And from centuries before the viking age, we have gravesites etc. with foreign artifacts and treasures such as Roman coins.
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Dec 4, 2021 21:07
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And I mean, you can see how a Viking might think Arabic calligraphy was cool af and worth trying to imitate.
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Dec 4, 2021 21:10
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Guys guys guys, don't we remember how racism was solved in America by the great film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Man%27s_Burden_(film)? Along that line, Mr Popo and Jynx from Pokemon. Goddamn.
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Dec 4, 2021 21:20
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I have a much uglier word for it cultural appropriation
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Dec 4, 2021 21:21
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oldpainless posted:I have a much uglier word for it Those are two words. More like old countless. (Best I could do on short notice)
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Dec 4, 2021 21:25
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I don't think there's anything appropriate about it--more like cultural INappropriation.
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Dec 4, 2021 21:29
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Groke posted:And from centuries before the viking age, we have gravesites etc. with foreign artifacts and treasures such as Roman coins. And from millenia before the Romans we have raw materials, finished artefacts and techniques being transported all over the place. eg. Early Bronze Age (2nd millenium BC) finds of faience beads in the Highlands of Scotland that are in the same forms as contemporary examples from Egypt and the Near East (segmented rods, multi-pointed stars, etc.) but are made using local sand. (It's thought that the technique and forms reached Scotland via the rich Wessex culture in southern England and possibly reached there through the tin trade.) The extensive trade in high status Neolithic polished stone axes throughout Europe (4th millenium BC) includes things like Alpine jade axes turning up in Britain.
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Dec 5, 2021 00:08
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yep there wasn’t a group of people that Egypt had a very fraught relationship with who were black That was a pretty one way feud though. The Jews wrote a lot about Egypt but the Egyptians didn't write much about Jews beyond the usual trading-and-occasional-warring with Israel.
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Dec 5, 2021 00:48
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Alaois posted:ra salvatore was getting divorced when he wrote the drizzt books so he made the drow society a man hating matriarchy that worships spiders and does freaky bondage lmao that explains a lot. Even as a 12-year-old who thought Star Wars novels were the height of literature, I thought there was a weird vibe going on in the Drizzt origin story books.
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Dec 5, 2021 07:06
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Crowetron posted:lmao that explains a lot. Even as a 12-year-old who thought Star Wars novels were the height of literature, I thought there was a weird vibe going on in the Drizzt origin story books. Salvatore was the one who dropped a moon on Chewbacca too
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Dec 5, 2021 07:16
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Arivia posted:Salvatore was the one who dropped a moon on Chewbacca too ...cuz of the divorce? That's weird.
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Dec 5, 2021 07:18
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Groke posted:Yeah, and there are examples of Norse artifacts with decorations that are okay imitations of Arabic script with Islamic religious phrases. Doesn't mean the dudes who made them were converts to Islam, probably more like someone brought some souvenirs from abroad and thought they looked cool so wanted to make their own. Based on how long tattoos have been around I'm now realizing how ancient the first terrible and possibly wrong foreign language tattoo might have been.
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Dec 5, 2021 07:32
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Ror posted:Based on how long tattoos have been around I'm now realizing how ancient the first terrible and possibly wrong foreign language tattoo might have been. some ancient ink that says “a half-jar of figs” in cuneiform on somebody’s upper arm
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Dec 5, 2021 07:50
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Ror posted:Based on how long tattoos have been around I'm now realizing how ancient the first terrible and possibly wrong foreign language tattoo might have been. Imagine when people know how to do tattoos but don't know how to write.
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Dec 5, 2021 07:59
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If anything, shouldn't Drow be white? And I mean white. Printer paper white. I mean, they live underground. Their only light sources are magic, glowing moss, and a giant rock that the top wizard casts a spell on every day to function as a giant clock.
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Dec 5, 2021 08:25
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Ror posted:Based on how long tattoos have been around I'm now realizing how ancient the first terrible and possibly wrong foreign language tattoo might have been. Ellie Crabcakes has a new favorite as of 08:59 on Dec 5, 2021 |
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Dec 5, 2021 08:55
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Ror posted:Based on how long tattoos have been around I'm now realizing how ancient the first terrible and possibly wrong foreign language tattoo might have been. Not tattoos, but there's a bunch of old Norse amulets and runestones with inscriptions that are either illegible or just gibberish - theory is that having things with runic inscriptions was a status symbol, but if you were illiterate, it was easy to be scammed by a dodgy rune carver who was themselves illiterate and just vaguely copying runes from other inscriptions.
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Dec 5, 2021 09:09
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As well, don't a lot of medieval swords have just gibberish letters on them cause of a bunch of earlier ones having shorthand/acronymised latin phrases on them? edit: possibly not gibberish, still kinda silly quote:Many European sword blades of the high medieval period have blade inscriptions. Inscribed blades were particularly popular during the 12th century. Many of these inscriptions are garbled strings of letters, often apparently inspired by religious formulae, especially the phrase in nomine domini and the word benedictus or benedicat. Disproportionation has a new favorite as of 10:18 on Dec 5, 2021 |
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Dec 5, 2021 09:29
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I cannot understand these runes, must be gibberish. A claver historian
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Dec 5, 2021 09:30
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History is definitely big enough to have both dodgy rune merchants people copying old inscriptions they didn't understand and ones that make perfect sense but we don't have the context for now.
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Dec 5, 2021 09:46
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the_steve posted:If anything, shouldn't Drow be white? And I mean white. Printer paper white. ed greenwood has said his original idea for underground elves in the FR was albino underground peoples, but when the FR was made into an official setting the drow came along since they were a player race option for 1e AD&D already
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Dec 5, 2021 09:47
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Those sword inscriptions own.
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Dec 5, 2021 10:20
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Kuiperdolin posted:I cannot understand these runes, must be gibberish. A claver historian quote:The Voynich manuscript is an illustrated codex hand-written in an otherwise unknown writing system, referred to as 'Voynichese'.[18] The vellum on which it is written has been carbon-dated to the early 15th century (1404–1438), and stylistic analysis indicates it may have been composed in Italy during the Italian Renaissance.[1][2] The origins, authorship, and purpose of the manuscript are debated. Various hypotheses have been suggested, including that it is an otherwise unrecorded script for a natural language or constructed language; an unread code, cypher, or other form of cryptography; or simply a meaningless hoax. EDIT: it also has illustrations of unknown animals, plants and constellations. Also this: 
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Dec 5, 2021 10:23
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Disproportionation posted:tradition of the so-called Ulfberht swords My favorite piece of trivia regarding the Ulfberth swords is that there has been found lovely bootleg variants of the sword. Like, imagine if you're viking who believes that you have gotten a really good deal on what you think is the best sword of all time and then it completely shatters when you're on the battlefield.
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Dec 5, 2021 10:39
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Angry Salami posted:Not tattoos, but there's a bunch of old Norse amulets and runestones with inscriptions that are either illegible or just gibberish - theory is that having things with runic inscriptions was a status symbol, but if you were illiterate, it was easy to be scammed by a dodgy rune carver who was themselves illiterate and just vaguely copying runes from other inscriptions. The British Museum has a bunch of ancient Middle Eastern vases that have gibberish hieroglyphs on them. They were made as copies of Egyptian objects, by people who didn't know how to read/write hieroglyphs properly. Ancient bootleg vases.
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Dec 5, 2021 11:00
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Arivia posted:ed greenwood has said his original idea for underground elves in the FR was albino underground peoples, but when the FR was made into an official setting the drow came along since they were a player race option for 1e AD&D already Mystara (the Basic/Expert D&D world) actually had albino underground elves though.
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Dec 5, 2021 11:05
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Kuiperdolin posted:I cannot understand these runes, must be gibberish. A claver historian I'm not doubting these historians, but I do wonder how you conclusively prove that something is nonsense, and not just some incredibly obscure dialect you've never heard of.
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the_steve posted:If anything, shouldn't Drow be white? And I mean white. Printer paper white. Probably the greatest danger to drow is other drow, so you’d want to blend into the surroundings.
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Dec 5, 2021 11:21
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Torquemada posted:Probably the greatest danger to drow is other drow, so you’d want to blend into the surroundings. Aren't there, like, a bunch of beholders down there too? My only experience with The Underdark:tm: is neverwinter nights.
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Dec 5, 2021 11:35
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I'm not doubting these historians, but I do wonder how you conclusively prove that something is nonsense, and not just some incredibly obscure dialect you've never heard of. There would be other evidence that hinted at such a dialect existing and also the writing would have to parse as something that maybe might be construed as words. The examples given above of gibberish definitely do look like gibberish since they’re mostly strings of consonants with the occasional vowel thrown in randomly
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Kit Walker posted:The examples given above of gibberish definitely do look like gibberish since they’re mostly strings of consonants with the occasional vowel thrown in randomly So, Welsh?
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