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So have we just given up entirely on the sontarans ever being taken seriously then? I mean, I'm fine with that, but maybe dont make them a main bad guy of an episode in that case...
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Dec 5, 2021 19:39
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So the Sontarans pretended to be humanity saviours for like, 20 seconds? Then instantly that pretence is gone in the next announcement?
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Dec 5, 2021 19:42
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Starting to suspect the Sugar Skull Gang are kinda dicks!
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Dec 5, 2021 19:45
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Oh good, just what this episode needed, a 4th storyline to half rear end.
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Dec 5, 2021 19:46
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The Doctor's plan being to save herself was a lovely bit of tying up, haha
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Dec 5, 2021 19:54
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I thought the Doctor was experiencing all 3 existences simultaneously as opposed to being 3 distinct/individual versions of herself but I guess not.
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Dec 5, 2021 19:58
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Theres really half assing the multiple doctors effect, could they not afford a duplicate coat and a Jodi wig so we at least see the back of one doctor while the other is talking?
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Dec 5, 2021 19:59
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Have they just ignored/forgotten the TARDIS was supposed to be falling apart/struggling to hold its interior structure together?
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For the record; Antimatter is a real thing, and matter does not "slow antimatter down".
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They really really need to get that back vent covered up.
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Dec 5, 2021 20:06
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I feel like a lot is being forgotten here.
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Dec 5, 2021 20:07
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....wh.... why did Jericho take his ring off?
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Dec 5, 2021 20:08
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The Cybermen accepting the truce sure, but the Daleks would show up like Frank Reynolds wanting to shoot a greasefire.
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Dec 5, 2021 20:09
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I'm not entirely sure why the Passenger opened up and absorbed the Flux?
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One thing left undone? *One Thing*? I think you are forgetting whole bunch of this bullshit series tbh...
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Dec 5, 2021 20:15
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Han Solo, Leia and Chewie will return in big finish adventures ~2035.
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SiKboy posted:Han Solo, Leia and Chewie will return in big finish adventures ~2035. I’d listen to it.
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I don’t feel in any way satisfied by that as an ending.
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Dec 5, 2021 20:25
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What was the point of any of that? I'm guessing a big chunk of the universe being smashed up wasn't important at all? The annoying thing is we got some fun new characters: Dan, Vinder, Jericho, Bel, Claire etc. But they didn't matter. We didn't even get the Doctor having a "I know my lives and who I am, all fourteen of them. The rest don't define me." or whatever.
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So what exactly was it that Yaz, Dan, and Jericho spent 3-4 years searching for exactly?
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The_Doctor posted:So what exactly was it that Yaz, Dan, and Jericho spent 3-4 years searching for exactly? Hints to the Flux or something? Which was written on clay pots because ??? Next episode is called Eve of the Daleks and has a time loop plot, apparently.
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Well I enjoyed the first 80% or so of that, but the conclusion - particularly to the Sugar Skull Gang - felt bizarrely rushed and left me with a ton more questions than answers. It seems like a bunch of stuff set up during the season got forgotten too, like the TARDIS interior being all hosed up. Also did.... they reverse the Flux? The Doctor mentioned in the last episode that they could use Division HQ to reverse the Flux but then that just... didn't happen? And as far as I know nobody can go back there now that Tectuen is dead, so like a giant chunk of the universe got wiped out and trillions of people killed and... nothing? Unless the Ood got bored and reverses it on their own etc? Does the Earth remember the Sontaran invasion since as far I can tell nothing indicates that any of what happened got turned around or mindwiped or anything but when Dan went back to Liverpool everything was just completely normal again? "Time" showing up as a sentient being came completely out of nowhere, they didn't even do the favor of having it reply to Swarm's "We give you the Timeless Child" by saying,"But this isn't the Timeless Child?  "It seems like a lot of overwhelming (and frankly nonsensical) death and destruction happens in Chibnall's run that not only doesn't get wound back but nobody seems to be all that bothered about any of it like 5 seconds after it happened. The Master supposedly killed everybody on Gallifrey and the Doctor is just kind of.... not overly bothered. The Sontarans are apparently capable of wiping out the entire Lupari army which upsets the Good Doggy but then he just kind of moves on, plus they reveal later that the Lupari have total control over security systems on their ships that would wipe out any intruders that they just... didn't use until now? The Daleks and Cybemen all got wiped out in their entirety as did the Sontarans, and in the next time trailer we see the Daleks are already back though the latter shouldn't really be a surprise. I love Doctor Who, always have and always will, but I was really, really, really hoping Chibnall would finally wrap up this awful Timeless Child storyline here but it looks like it is going to permeate the last three specials as well.  Edit: On the very positive side, I dug that the Doctor was the proactive force of the episode, and splitting her into three and having her use that to her advantage to outplay her opponents was a welcome touch given how passive she's usually been written to be. Her completely turning the tables on the Grand Serpent during his attempted interrogation and knowing that another version of herself was going to show up to help her escape was a neat bit of tying plot points together. I actually think it would have been more interesting to have her simultaneously aware of everything that was happening to all three of her as opposed to needing to communicate mentally to put their plan together but maybe that would have been too difficult to convey on screen? Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 5, 2021 |
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Dec 5, 2021 20:32
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The Grand Serpent interrogation scene was the highlight for me! Where’s that Doctor been hiding since 2018?
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why is the episode riffing on itsself why are hte cuts so bad
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Everyones guesses for what was going to happen were wrong! But mainly because everyone was assuming a) we'd have some sort of actual ending and that b) stuff set up in previous episodes would actually matter. For example; Jinder and the Grand Serpent. Lots of people assumed the Grand Serpent would turn out to be The Master, because then it would make sense that he was loving with earth/unit, but apparently no, he was just doing that because. Similarly he was holding a grudge against Kate despite the fact she actually hadnt managed to stop his plan at all. I personally assumed they were having Jinder and Bel wandering around aimlessly for episodes on end because they'd be integral to the resolution of the story (and that their as yet unborn baby would turn out to be the timeless child or the doctor or both), but no, not really. Honestly their whole deal kind of confused me. The flux was resolved by... Having it sucked up by the passenger? I think? Feels like if it was that simple (bearing in mind that Jinder said there were classes on surviving inside a passenger at the academy, so they cant be that rare) then someone in the universe should have thought of it when the entire universe was being destroyed. So was the destruction reversed? Doesnt seem like it should do that, but it feels like "basically 90% of everything including all the cybermen and Daleks are dead" should be a bigger deal. I've been fairly down on this series as a whole, the best episode was the Sontaran episode which would have been a mediocre episode in any other season. But I was really hoping the finale would tie it together, let me recontextualize some earlier stuff as "Okay, it was clumsy but it kind of paid off with X", but no, that was bad. The three doctors conceit would have maybe worked with a competent storyteller writing the script (and making a bit of an effort with the effect rather than "only the doctor who is talking is in shot"), but as I said with the first flux episode Chibnell cant consistently tell an engaging linear story, what on earth made him think he could do something way more complicated. It was like 3 people trying to tell you different stories at the same time, and just alternating who is shouting loudest. It generally looked quite nice, the cast are still great, and there were some legitimately great ideas and some good lines. Thats as positive as I can be about it. I'd have watched an episode around Williamson and his Tunnels, or some companions trying to survive inside a passenger while the doctor searches for them, or a psychic professor trying to sabotage an alien invasion from within, but... Maybe not all at once? Nothing had room to breathe, nothing was important. Mainly I'm just kind of sad and irritated that Jodies Doctors last proper series is being wasted with these bullshit scripts. Still, Aisling Bea looks to be in the new years special, hopefully it'll be good!
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Also looks like the new year’s special is going to have a time loop as part of the premise. Has Doctor Who ever done that before? I don’t recall.
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Dec 5, 2021 21:05
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Yvonmukluk posted:Also looks like the new year’s special is going to have a time loop as part of the premise. Has Doctor Who ever done that before? I don’t recall. In Meglos, the Doctor and Romana get trapped in a Time Loop by the villain in a bid to keep them from interfering in its schemes. They figure out quickly that time is repeating and basically have to use the time between loops to recreate perfectly what happens in the loop to "trip up" time and make it end the loop to smooth things out.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Also looks like the new year’s special is going to have a time loop as part of the premise. Has Doctor Who ever done that before? I don’t recall. It's Big Finish, but The Chimes of Midnight.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Also looks like the new year’s special is going to have a time loop as part of the premise. Has Doctor Who ever done that before? I don’t recall. You could kinda sorta maybe count Heaven Sent?
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Dec 5, 2021 21:33
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For what it’s worth, when Evil Jodie was warning the Doctor about her impending death, the subtitles capitalised the word “Master”. So… 2022 special plot?
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Dec 5, 2021 22:00
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Oh for gently caress’s sake.
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TinTower posted:For what it’s worth, when Evil Jodie was warning the Doctor about her impending death, the subtitles capitalised the word “Master”. That was just my natural assumption, yep. The Doctor even went so far as to repeat the word Master to ask what she meant. I think Chibnall intends to string out the Timeless Child all the way through to his and Jodie's last ever episode. That reminds me though: SiKboy posted:could they not afford a duplicate coat and a Jodi wig so we at least see the back of one doctor while the other is talking? This post cracked me up when we got to Time (seriously, Time just shows up as a sentient being in the last few minutes like it was always a thing that was being built to!?!) and her version of the Doctor had the alternate color coat 
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SiKboy posted:only the doctor who is talking is in shot only the doctor who who is talking is in shot
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Dec 5, 2021 22:32
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The Doctor being Time’s Champion is some New Adventures gubbins.
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I weep for the fact that I think Chibnall would make an amazing spinoff DW series. When the actual show is in his hands, it falls apart, but so far everything that the Doctor has no involvement in has been pretty great. The second she shows up, though, the positives grind to a halt and the show becomes hard to sit through. Also, if two episodes are cut from an eight episode order, you can't just "edit around" the cuts. You actually have to rewrite the story to accommodate the shorter runtime. This last episode has all but confirmed to me that 8 episodes have been squeezed awkwardly into 6, and the result has been incoherently paced.
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Wasn't Ed Hime supposed to write an episode originally too? The guy who wrote It Takes You Away (God I love that episode). When they mentioned anti-matter being the fuel of the Flux it made me remember that anti-matter universe frog is still out there somewhere  Updog Scully posted:I think Chibnall would make an amazing spinoff DW series. Unfortunately this was RTD's thinking when he made Chibnall one of his lead writers on the first couple seasons of Torchwood. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 5, 2021 |
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That was just..... poo poo. Unless I missed something (which is easy to do due to the audio mix being hosed) the sontar plan was go to the final destruction point of the flux. So the flux has destroyed 99.999999% of the universe, but the dalek and cyber ships are enough matter to cancel it. And the sontar plan is to rule over the rest of the universe that consists of just the time planet? But I suppose the flux sometimes completely annialates everything and is destroying the whole universe, but also sometimes leaves planets intact but just burns the surface and leaves people. And also is sometimes outrunnable, some times you get stuck in its gravity. Sometimes it moves really fast across the universe, sometimes rips the edge off a space ship and then takes 20 seconds to move 30 feet further into the spaceship. Also what was the deal.with serpent guy and jinder anyway? As far as I can tell, at some unspecified point in the future there is some human based government that uses him a negotiator, assigns jinder as an escort, does.some dodgy poo poo, jinder reports him and gets banished to cover it up, serpent then time travels to pre unit earth for some reason to gently caress up unit and help the sontarons, then acts like he never met jinder, then gets put on a tiny rock floating in space without putting up any resistance. And the sontarons. Invaded during crimea to alter history and invaded current earth, got stopped in both, but then just came back and took over earth completely again. That it seems didnt have any affect at all. Mr Beens fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Dec 5, 2021 |
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