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That Italian Guy posted:the cartoonishly evil fascists from the show? Whitecloaks aren't fascists, they're a cult of turbo-puritans. The difference is obvious in Valda objecting to be called sir, the fascists are all about the hierarchy. The witch hunts of 16-17th century are the clear inspiration for them. But fear not, books have fantasy fascists too, coming later. Pyromancer fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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That Italian Guy posted:Let me get this straight, the "I'm not fascist crowd" have decided to congregate on a subreddit named after the cartoonishly evil fascists from the show? We are through the loving looking glass. They always do this. They revel in it.
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Pyromancer posted:Whitecloaks aren't fascists, they're a cult of turbo-puritans. The difference is obvious in Valda objecting to be called sir, the fascists are all about the hierarchy. The witch hunts of 16-17th century are the obvious inspiration for them. The behavior of Valda in the show is not a 1to1  but it definitely embodies a lot of these elements.Jokes aside, the use of r/whitecloaks is not a coincidence. EDIT: in fact, in the scene you mentioned, Valda is not doing that out of courtesy or humility: he is forcing Egwene to use his appropriate title even if she is referring to him with a deferential "sir". It's a clear show of power - even if Egwene is already in the worst possible position as far as the balance of power is, Valda is asserting additional control. The enforcement of the correct terminology by someone in a position of power is authoritarian in nature; the use of "familial" and apparently inclusive terms by totalitarian regimes is very common (brother, comrade, compatriot, etc). That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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At least they're not calling themselves False Dragons and railing on about how they are all unfairly tarred with the brush of having raped the world, and now they have to hide their power level to avoid upsetting the pearl-clutching matriarchy ... *taps earpiece* uh oh
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Dec 6, 2021 13:15
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They seemed to really fly through book one so far but I can't remember a whole lot that was skipped and the show even added things. Is Jordan just really wordy?
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Dec 6, 2021 13:35
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longtimelurker posted:They seemed to really fly through book one so far but I can't remember a whole lot that was skipped and the show even added things. Is Jordan just really wordy? We skipped a whole city between the Two Rivers and Shadar Logoth and the vast majority of the Egwene/Perrin and Rand/Mat sections between Shadar Logoth and... it was Caemlyn in the books but Tar Valon now. Also almost all of Rand's stuff in the city is gone. To, I think, the detriment of mostly Perrin and Rand. Moiraine, Lan and Nyn have all had their material massively expanded but it's come at the expense of the rest of the cast, for better or worse.
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twistedmentat posted:I'm confused by a bunch of stuff Buddy I don't mean to be toxic here but are you actually even watching the show? I know "goons bad at watching TV" is a meme, but like, seriously lol, it's been 5 episodes the names are not that mysterious.
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Also just go to the page for the show on Amazon's website and click Explore and scroll down and they show you every major character and their name and backstory: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B09F5XR38T/ref=atv_sf_cc_dp
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th3t00t posted:One of their main points was that they thought Stepin's motivation to kill himself was to save himself having to turn gay with Allana's other warders. Better off dead than gay. I couldn't stand to watch much more. I think I lasted 20 minutes into the 2 hour 48 minute video, and even that was too long. ... wait, what? Like, the show goes out of its way to show that Stepin is consumed by Karene's death, unable to stand the thought of a world without her in it. His chat with Lan is a more bringing it up in a relaxed, jokey "Hey, you never know before you try, right?" interaction where it finally seems like he's coming back to his normal self - like all too many suicides like him - now that he's mind made up to follow through with it. It has absolutely, literally nothing to do with Ihvon, Maksim and Alanna being a thruple or 'the gay', and everything to do with him having made up his mind. I seriously do not understand these people.
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TLM3101 posted:... wait, what? Like, the show goes out of its way to show that Stepin is consumed by Karene's death, unable to stand the thought of a world without her in it. His chat with Lan is a more bringing it up in a relaxed, jokey "Hey, you never know before you try, right?" interaction where it finally seems like he's coming back to his normal self - like all too many suicides like him - now that he's mind made up to follow through with it. They're in denial, op
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Gwaihir posted:Buddy I don't mean to be toxic here but are you actually even watching the show? I know "goons bad at watching TV" is a meme, but like, seriously lol, it's been 5 episodes the names are not that mysterious. Yea, like "How did Nyneave hear they were in town?" She didn't. Loial went and found her and brought her to Rand Al'Thor, because Ogier have access to the tower grounds and the Two Rivers braid is a distinct rite of passage...
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I don't remember the Whitecloaks being so cartoonishly evil.
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longtimelurker posted:I don't remember the Whitecloaks being so cartoonishly evil. The Questioners absolutely are- they're the torturer/political officer wing of the organisation- but we don't see a lot of them this early on in the books. It's Bornhald (the more reasonable officer in Ep 2) who captures Egwene and Perrin there. The show's also cut a couple of scenes where the Whitecloaks are just around hassling people and doing cop poo poo, which probably doesn't help.
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This would perhaps be better discussed in the other thread.
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Gwaihir posted:Buddy I don't mean to be toxic here but are you actually even watching the show? I know "goons bad at watching TV" is a meme, but like, seriously lol, it's been 5 episodes the names are not that mysterious. Also personal opinion, but subtitles are like basically required on a show like this, even if its just for names. So much easier to follow and remember when you get a reminder of names constantly.
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th3t00t posted:"Red pilled" neck beards ranting about the liberals pushing their agenda down everyone's throats. Oh and don't forget the gays. The gays are pushing their agenda too, every microscopic detail of the show is examined to reveal how it's part of the "gay agenda", which is to turn everyone gay. and DON"T GET ME STARTED ON HOW STRONG THE WOMEN ARE, AND THE MEN ARE WEAK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I haven't watched their show review videos yet, but I like Shad's main channel. Lot of neat medieval knight stuff there.
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:I haven't watched their show review videos yet, but I like Shad's main channel. Lot of neat medieval knight stuff there. Does he always have the petulant rage face of a 4 year old child?
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Dec 6, 2021 15:58
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this "what if travis mcelroy was an angry chud?" guy seems cool
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYlpNu9mSbc The only reactions you need. Facts.
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A For Effort posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYlpNu9mSbc I love Adison's puns. They make Dre look like he wants to kill him. It's wonderful.
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maidens of the spear has been good non-chud reviews by mostly women/queer people (+ they've got vic michaelis of UCB/recent comedy bang bang and zach reino of Off Book/CBB/etc doing weekly non-reader reactions, which have been fun)
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Yeah all you need is a tiki torch for that screen grab, Jesus Christ.
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CainFortea posted:I love Adison's puns. They make Dre look like he wants to kill him. It's wonderful. I like the names they've come up with for various characters they can't recall off-hand. "Medieval Mick Jagger" for Thom is probably the best of them, but Liandrin being "Sister Strongjaw", Loial being "Brother Book" etc. are good too. That said, they're about the only reaction group I've stuck with, since they're pretty entertaining to watch, have good discussions for 10/15 minutes after an episode and seem like they're just fun guys. eke out posted:maidens of the spear has been good non-chud reviews by mostly women/queer people (+ they've got vic michaelis of UCB/recent comedy bang bang and zach reino of Off Book/CBB/etc doing weekly non-reader reactions, which have been fun) I take it that channel name and the mention of "non-reader reactions" later means the main people have read the books? Is there spoiler stuff in there for later books? I've only looked at stuff marked "non-book reader" so far, personally, because I never finished the last 3 or 4 books and might as well not spoil them now after avoiding it without intention for 10 odd years since the books finished up.
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Gully Foyle posted:Also personal opinion, but subtitles are like basically required on a show like this, even if its just for names. So much easier to follow and remember when you get a reminder of names constantly.
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If I watch a show with subtitles I end up reading and not watching. Which is one of the reasons why it's so rarely watch anime.
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You get used to it. I was the same, but now it's second nature. I watch everything subtitled now. I miss way too much without.
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tsob posted:I take it that channel name and the mention of "non-reader reactions" later means the main people have read the books? Is there spoiler stuff in there for later books? I've only looked at stuff marked "non-book reader" so far, personally, because I never finished the last 3 or 4 books and might as well not spoil them now after avoiding it without intention for 10 odd years since the books finished up. yeah i don't think there's like extensive discussion of later books for no reason, but there's definitely spoilers in discussing what's being foreshadowed down the line in the main reviews. but the regular segments with vic/zach are no-spoiler
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tsob posted:I like the names they've come up with for various characters they can't recall off-hand. "Medieval Mick Jagger" for Thom is probably the best of them, but Liandrin being "Sister Strongjaw", Loial being "Brother Book" etc. are good too. That said, they're about the only reaction group I've stuck with, since they're pretty entertaining to watch, have good discussions for 10/15 minutes after an episode and seem like they're just fun guys. The names were pretty hilarious when I saw that too. I was browsing through some reviews last night. The most thematic for this thread was probably pReview'd just because it was two guys, one of which knows the books and one doesn't, so there's a lot of hilarious reaction shots with the one studiously taking it all in and the other being "Oh, that's coming!" Also sometimes trying not to really spoil the other guy and sometimes giving some misdirection to not throw him off too much with some "I was totally bullshitting him here" notes over the video. If it spoils outside the episode content rather than ahead in the same episode I don't know though.
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A For Effort posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYlpNu9mSbc tsob posted:I like the names they've come up with for various characters they can't recall off-hand. "Medieval Mick Jagger" for Thom is probably the best of them, but Liandrin being "Sister Strongjaw", Loial being "Brother Book" etc. are good too. That said, they're about the only reaction group I've stuck with, since they're pretty entertaining to watch, have good discussions for 10/15 minutes after an episode and seem like they're just fun guys. Other nicknames: Shadow City Wisdom
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th3t00t posted:I linked their channel in the book thread. They are awesome! Brother Hot Tub.
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I guess with people mentioning good non-book reader reactions/reviews, you have: Reactions
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TLM3101 posted:I seriously do not understand these people. Start with what fascists on the internet want to hear about the "Woke," Entertainment. Work backwards to justify your conclusion. Ignore any facts which contradict your argument, probably by declaring them Fake News of Liberal Agenda. Throw in a "Get Woke Go Broke," paragraph somewhere despite that never having been true even once. Get paid youtube bucks and/or crowdfunding by the hogs for feeding them. There, now you understand these people.
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I think this is a good time for a show based on these particular books to be adapted. I expect the hot takes, especially from people who arent familiar with the books. As long as the show runners get the point i dont care how they get there. As a side, the Loial scenes with Rand were nice. I also liked that they focused on Logain in the parade scene.
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Burns posted:I think this is a good time for a show based on these particular books to be adapted. I expect the hot takes, especially from people who arent familiar with the books. As long as the show runners get the point i dont care how they get there. I guess getting his channeling powers removed turned him into the laughing ha ha yes guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmZMOWHoJak
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Sanguinia posted:Start with what fascists on the internet want to hear about the "Woke," Entertainment. 
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etalian posted:I guess getting his channeling powers removed turned him into the laughing ha ha yes guy? Haha. Saying more would require spoilers for book 14.
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Rarity posted:Oh no sounds like someone's triggered Going to my safe space
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Johnny Joestar posted:r/whitecloaks I went to look at this because it's weird to me to develop a community about hating a TV show. It's pretty small, just about 2k subs. This is the top post right now  INSUFFICIENT ROPE COUNT.  He is so obviously not dead.  Where's the third button for "Watch every episode for 10 seasons and complain the whole time" As far as Shad goes... 
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