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Tamba posted:And that's after effortlessly living on his own in the forest for months (years?). If life in Tarbean was that bad, he could have just...left again? He stayed there for six months and then left to Tarbean and then didn't actually bother very hard to find the nice man and boy who were kind to him and offered him a place to stay. I think he pretty much forgets about instantly except for like one mention later on. Anyways true suffering poorness is only being able to go out and get drunk with the boys five nights a week instead of seven.
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Speaking of the depiction of "genuine" poverty in these books, I kind of wonder how a Gen Z individual, or really anyone under 30, would react to what Rothfuss thinks it's like to be really broke. Intentionally or not, the books have a heck of a lot of "bootstrapping" in them and nowhere near the amount of debasement as something like Squid Game. I kind of suspect they wouldn't resonate with people who weren't that first wave of Millennials* just waking up to the fact that something was really, really broken with the system and feeling like they had been intentionally mislead about their future prospects. *Basically a bunch of white male nerds who thought getting a BA/BS was their golden ticket suddenly finding out that maybe poo poo was going to be slightly worse for them than it had been for previous generations while completely ignoring how awful everything was, had always been, and was somehow getting still worse, for anyone below their socio-economic status.
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Kvothe has a fairly easy job that pays for pretty much everything and on top of that is often paid to go to Wizard College, and one of his classes is learning how to make and sell magic items. He's got it insanely good and the fact that he crocodile tears not being able to keep up with his literal royalty best buds when it comes to wasting money without a care is the most well-off-white-man-whining possible.
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Kvothe is basically constantly loving gross and such an overt self insert that my dicky bow spins.
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Really miss jivjov. Book 3 is never going to happen, but it would be nice to have someone with anything to say about the first two besides the obvious.
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Nov 19, 2021 01:55
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Patrick Rothfuss is sitting at home watching the new Wheel of Time series, and dreaming.
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Hughmoris posted:Patrick Rothfuss is sitting at home watching the new Wheel of Time series, and dreaming. Possibly debating whether to try and call Lin Manual Miranda to try and mend the bridges he burned acting like a complete toddler for so long that his Kingkiller project got shoved to the back burner by everyone interested.
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Isnt that one of the bridges he burned, at least professionally
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Is that webpage/blog still up that tries to explain Kvothe's moneymaking scheme
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Patware posted:Isnt that one of the bridges he burned, at least professionally I don't think there is one he didn't aside from D&D podcasts and associated hobbies, like his insanely creepy Rick and Morty comic.
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How did he go about burning bridges anyway?
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Really miss jivjov. Book 3 is never going to happen, but it would be nice to have someone with anything to say about the first two besides the obvious. I mean I could do a whole thing about how money and the price of things in the world is incredibly inconsistent and nobody would be able to afford daily necessities if clothes and food cost what kvothe claims.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Speaking of the depiction of "genuine" poverty in these books, I kind of wonder how a Gen Z individual, or really anyone under 30, would react to what Rothfuss thinks it's like to be really broke. Intentionally or not, the books have a heck of a lot of "bootstrapping" in them and nowhere near the amount of debasement as something like Squid Game. I kind of suspect they wouldn't resonate with people who weren't that first wave of Millennials* just waking up to the fact that something was really, really broken with the system and feeling like they had been intentionally mislead about their future prospects. I grew up middle class and his "you don't know what it's like to be poor" stuff was second only to his music idiocy because outside of the self-inflicted Tarbean miseryporn, Kvothe is still better off than a of people even as a "poor" student. Rothfuss's idea of Kvothe being poor is that Kvothe can't keep up with the Joneses, his friends who are straight up wealthy. The music stuff like him running out of a room because he's a musician you just don't understand is dumb because Rothfuss at no point seems to acknowledge that the only people who might act that way are also the musicians who turn out to be the biggest primadonnas imaginable. If Rothfuss was a talented writer and setting up an unreliable narrator situation then sure it'd make sense. However with how he jumps from "yeah here's the truth of these dumb myths like being bloodless" to "oh yeah I totally hosed that sex goddess into submission" is less a case of unreliable narrator and more a case of bad writer. WMF basically ends with Kvothe going "lol I totally scammed the Mayor, who was nice to me at every turn even after marrying my racist-as-gently caress aunt who I never realized was my aunt, and I'm getting royalties for my inventions I'm loving set baby" so that's one less thing for Rothfuss to fart on about in a third book since any way Kvothe loses one/both of those things would either have to show Kvothe to be a gullible dumb rear end (like taking a candle into the library) or that some totally unfair and evil person robbed him of what he earned and now we need 500 pages of Kvothe waffling about to get revenge. pentyne posted:Possibly debating whether to try and call Lin Manual Miranda to try and mend the bridges he burned acting like a complete toddler for so long that his Kingkiller project got shoved to the back burner by everyone interested. Those two deserve each other.
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I don't even know what's left to discuss of these books, or this author. I really don't. We are never getting the third book, and even if we do it will be trash. Botl basically dissected the writing down to the word choice and showed that it was fairly worthless. Yes, nothing makes sense, yes it's poorly written, yes, Rothfuss is a dumbass. I'm pretty sure that covers everything.
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What’s fascinating about the books is not how bad they are — certainly there is no shortage of badly-written fiction in the world — but the bizarre disconnect between how commercially and critically successful they‘ve been, despite being terrible. Kingkiller Kronichles is the Magic Eye of fantasy lit: millions see something amazing in it; I just get a headache.
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Well on my first read of book 1 I was pretty compelled, but when I finished and started thinking about things it put me off pretty hard. Then book 2 confirmed the fear that it was in fact, unredeemable garbage. I think the narration style was pretty novel at first, maybe thats what got me at first.
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I mean BotL points it out pretty well. A bunch of the metaphors are actually incoherent but people mistake that for being deep - and it allows fantasy fans to pretend they care about things like prose and competent writing while still hiding behind the comfortable shield of "it's fantasy" to deflect the worst criticism. It's not like people aren't catching on, the Patrick Rothfuss page was just pure mockery of the guy last time I checked.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:I mean BotL points it out pretty well. A bunch of the metaphors are actually incoherent but people mistake that for being deep - and it allows fantasy fans to pretend they care about things like prose and competent writing while still hiding behind the comfortable shield of "it's fantasy" to deflect the worst criticism. Sadly though it's not like they're coming to the realization he's bad, he's just not delivering the trash they crave. He would suddenly become an amazing writer if he just delivered a book, and if he said "oh you know what, the kingkiller chronicles will be... 10 books!" they would love him even more.
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pseudanonymous posted:"oh you know what, the kingkiller chronicles will be... 10 books!" If a book 3 ever makes it out the door I fully expect it to end with Chronicler and Kovothe agreeing to one more day to finish the story.
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pseudanonymous posted:and if he said "oh you know what, the kingkiller chronicles will be... 10 books!" they would love him even more. I'm pretty sure that it's been 5+ years since he said that the 3 Kingkiller books are the first of 3 trilogies in the overarching story. Unless 
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Evil Fluffy posted:I'm pretty sure that it's been 5+ years since he said that the 3 Kingkiller books are the first of 3 trilogies in the overarching story. I mean, he tweeted out a stack of paper in like 2015 that he claimed was his finished draft of Doors of Stone. It really seems like the first two books were already half formed from a mix of short stories and his homebrew D&D campaigns, and he ran out of material. Everything since then has just been him basically living his best nerd life not caring one bit about writing and has sort of pushed the idea that a "great" incomplete book series is better then a mediocre finished one.
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pentyne posted:and has sort of pushed the idea that a "great" incomplete book series is better then a mediocre finished one.
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Maybe Rothfuss is doing us all a favor and sparing us any of his further "writing". Like the world. I mean really truly, I think the world is a better place without more of his books and a worse place with it.
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I'm excited to purchase the crossover volumes Doors of Winter/Winds of Stone.
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All the delay will be worth it when it turns out the Kvothe kills King Joffrey in the most exciting writing collaboration ever. I'm tempted to write a crossover conclusion to both series myself just to flex on two acclaimed authors. The catch is that I haven't actually thought about either series in years, so I can't remember what all the loose plots threads are, or have any mental picture of how to get the geography to overlap. Or even whether King Joffrey is still alive to be killed for that matter.
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The other catch is that it would turn out about as good as that one goon project to "fix" Ready Player One.
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iirc Joffrey bit it in book three, but there’s zombies in the gurm series too so nothing’s stopping you drawing another bucket from that wellSham bam bamina! posted:...that one goon project to "fix" Ready Player One. ... Why!? at least reading about the Zybourne Clock made me giggle a couple of times. what an elaborate waste of effort SatansOnion fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 23, 2021 |
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Well if I don't get to kill real Joffrey then it's hardly worth it. I'll have to continue practicing writing with original novels. Which I then discard because they're not good enough, especially without the.hook of being an amateur attempt to shove two unrelated franchises together which could at least be amusingly bad.
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AngusPodgorny posted:All the delay will be worth it when it turns out the Kvothe kills King Joffrey in the most exciting writing collaboration ever. I don't think you could beat the ASoIF-40k crossover ending where the Imperium reclaims the planet containing Westeros as its actually been effected by a chaotic warp storm a few thousand years ago and lost all connection to the rest of the galaxy. They nuke the dragons from orbit and the white walkers are chaotic psychers and its 130,000 words of stupidity that actually resolves plot threads, mostly with violence.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:The other catch is that it would turn out about as good as that one goon project to "fix" Ready Player One. My goodness. Please provide a link for this please.
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"Are we qualified for this?" - Fixing Ready Player One
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pentyne posted:Everything since then has just been him basically living his best nerd life not caring one bit about writing and has sort of pushed the idea that a "great" incomplete book series is better then a mediocre finished one. I keep coming back to this though: I think having a life-defining unfinished writing project you've lost all motivation for and can't escape -- at least not without taking enormous psychological and professional damage -- sounds like a vision of hell. At least for a person capable of any shame. Rothfuss to me is the fantasy novelist version of an ABD student in their ninth year of grad school.
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eXXon posted:I'm excited to purchase the crossover volumes Doors of Winter/Winds of Stone. The real race in fantasy literature is between the Wheel of Time TV series, grrm and Rothfuss.
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Atlas Hugged posted:The real race in fantasy literature is between the Wheel of Time TV series, grrm and Rothfuss. The WoT TV series that just came out?
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Evil Fluffy posted:The WoT TV series that just came out? I guess the dead man "wins". Or maybe the true treasure is the shitposts we made along the way?
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Evil Fluffy posted:The WoT TV series that just came out? Yes, that's the joke. Will we see Winds of Winter published, Doors of Stone published, or a planned 8 season fantasy series completed first?
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M_Gargantua posted:I mean I could do a whole thing about how money and the price of things in the world is incredibly inconsistent and nobody would be able to afford daily necessities if clothes and food cost what kvothe claims. You should still do it. I would read it.
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Ok it'll be a bit of fun Also I'm finally reading WOT and it's absurd how many world building backgrounds Rothfuss just straight up cribbed. I remember people mentioning it before but I didn't realize the scope of it. Like even the names of cities like Tarabon, and the adem are obviously the aiel
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M_Gargantua posted:Ok it'll be a bit of fun The Aiel are cool and good, but if you reduce them to their most basic, they are obviously Fremen, or at least strongly Fremen inspired. Not to excuse Pat's deficiencies as a writer, but cribbing from work of previous authors has been a fantasy standard for I think all of it's existence as a genre.
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