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Yes from the very beginning they set up NPHET so they didn't have to take ownership of unpopular decisions. Then you had Varadkar blaming them for dear mongering before opening up for Christmas, and blaming them after for not giving them strong enough warnings.
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I don't know which is worse. That institutional landlords were keeping units vacant. Or that they told FG who accepted that as a good idea. And all the moronic FG supporters and economists who spent the year arguing that landlords wouldn't leave money on the table by leaving units vacant. Despite the many obvious financial benefits to it. https://twitter.com/killianwoods/status/1467504877974786052
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Failed Imagineer posted:NPHET have been both the sacrificial lamb and scapegoat from the very start, but it's nice to see that it's really only taken hold with the frothing jrnl.ie commenters See I thought that those comments might be limited to the Irish equivalent of people who post comments on BBC News. But I've seen comments about NPHET closing the night clubs to get big end of year bonuses on Ireland Simpsons Fans. And that audience skews younger. So the sentiment is more common than I'd like. Even if it's down to a bunch of people not liking the idea that some parts of their lives are just not workable in a Pandemic.
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The Question IRL posted:See I thought that those comments might be limited to the Irish equivalent of people who post comments on BBC News. Young people can be selfish idiots too and I think that's what leads to this. Like finding out my gay cousin is racist despite all the poo poo he's had to go through himself.
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Dec 5, 2021 17:33
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You can't expect landlords to drop rates to reflect the change in the market... Rates can only go up.
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The Question IRL posted:That's interesting. Not because the Government has a high enough approval rating but that NPHET's rating is so high. The big drama between NPHET and the government this week isn't so much over the substance of NPHET's advice, its their habit of talking directly to the press with it. Instead of to the government. Donnelly and the rest of the cabinet apparently found out about NPHET's recommendations this week from reading the newspapers... Which obviously shows how incompetent he is, but also shows how broken NPHET is. They're meant to be advising the government behind closed doors, not giving press briefings.
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I don't believe for one moment that they did not inform the Cabinet of their recommendations before holding their conferences. It absolutely is a case of the Government leaving them on read and then acting surprised to deflect any backlash.
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Skull Servant posted:I don't believe for one moment that they did not inform the Cabinet of their recommendations before holding their conferences. It absolutely is a case of the Government leaving them on read and then acting surprised to deflect any backlash. To be fair if cabinet were lying with their very public claims that they hadn't been informed, then NPHET would just leak proof of them having been informed. Its entirely believable based on evidence and past behaviour that both Holohan is a completely arrogant egotist who'd do such things and the government is spectacularly incompetent.
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If only that ever happened. Would be interesting, wouldn't it? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/government-knew-of-holohan-concerns-before-level-5-nphet-meeting-1.4374938 It benefits the government to make an issue out of this. It does not benefit NPHET because they're at least wise enough to realize that sowing discord around public health and making a culture war is ultimately detrimental to keeping people healthy.
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If only we didn't have literally decades of evidence of the Department of Health ignoring experts about every little thing...lemonadesweetheart posted:Young people can be selfish idiots too and I think that's what leads to this. Like finding out my gay cousin is racist despite all the poo poo he's had to go through himself.
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Skull Servant posted:If only that ever happened. Would be interesting, wouldn't it? ? That IT story is exactly my point - if NPHET had informed the government of this week's advice in advance, and the stories about cabinet being uninformed were untrue, you can be drat sure NPHET would leak (or openly give) details to the press to prove the cabinet sources wrong - as they did in that instance. Thats their M.O. The fact they haven't very much suggests that cabinet claims of ignorance this time are true.
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I really don't know why I bother replying to you at this point. If there was no evidence that NPHET pushed back against government blame you'd take it as you bring right, and when there is evidence of that you say "well they would do it every time", ignoring, as mentioned already, that furthering a divide between governmental and professional opinion is ultimately detrimental to the public health situation at hand.
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But why does the Government get to constantly ignore advice or leak information to the press for the length of the Pandemic? And as soon as NEPHET get tired of being ignored and try out a run-around strategy, they get accused of being out of control?
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Skull Servant posted:I really don't know why I bother replying to you at this point. If there was no evidence that NPHET pushed back against government blame you'd take it as you bring right, and when there is evidence of that you say "well they would do it every time", ignoring, as mentioned already, that furthering a divide between governmental and professional opinion is ultimately detrimental to the public health situation at hand. NHPET have repeatedly in the past shown they have no problem publicly speaking against the government if they deem it required. The idea that in this one, specific, recent scenario they've decided not to out of respect for the "public health situation" and not because they have nothing is fairly lol This is the same NPHET that had no problem describing antigen tests as "snake oil" and fighting against making them available to the public for months. This is the same NPHET that said two months ago covid doesn't spread in schools so contact tracing and isolation are not required, and insisted on this despite evidence mounting to the contrary rapidly etc They're proven more than capable of putting their own perceived correctness well above the public health situation repeatedly. When they choose not to here, occam's razor would suggest they have no counter-evidence - not that they've very unusually suddenly grown a commitment to putting the public health situation above their own self-interest, for once.
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Lol, NPHET and the government are the same class of people, establishment careerists. They have both told lies or stretched the truth to suit their own narratives of competence and control and will continue to do so. The government has consistently turned the "money but also ambient death" dial as high as possible in an attempt to keep making money, while also keeping it low enough that they aren't all in danger of being lynched. The ruling parties don't want a bit of covid anymore. The only thing that brings the death rate down is a total lockdown specifically one that prevents travel to and from Britain. Vaccines were not the silver bullet the mediasphere had claimed they would be, which seems to be egg on everyones face at the minute. Its almost like, getting everyone back in the pub was the important thing. Personal decision making is now being emphasised, which is code for "we're not responsible, but please spend money to keep our class afloat". The covid response in this country is a loving mess. Island nation struggles to prevent plague - for first time in human history? What do??
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Just learned about runny white pudding Ashamed to be a dub today
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Also just learned that it exists, but not what it is.
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Gonna need some context please.
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Is that a sex thing or wha
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It's when you say you're gonna shed the Christmas bloat by getting out out for a jog every day. You see it everywhere here for about 10 days in January.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:Gonna need some context please. https://twitter.com/EricaHome1/status/1468295615322935296?t=xW4Z_MGeOrx7b7KKbSNMUg&s=19 Click through to see the picture in the op if you dare
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So Dublin people eat meconium and eggs for breakfast? Got it.
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Can't believe they've had something worse than coddle that they've been hiding this whole time
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Great now delete that from my brain please... Actually wipe the whole thing just to be safe Edit: poo poo I wanted to see what it looks like and I shouldn't have that's manky
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So, in light of recent events in this thread… how 'bout that Eirexit?
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I'd be in favour of a Dubexit except I live there now so would be unfortunately trapped on the side with the bad pudding
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Delicious meat slurry.
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It's like the Dublin version of https://twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1101477028946165760 but worse
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I love white pudding and the pictures of this stuff look horrendous. But....over the Pandemic I discovered sausage gravy. Which is taking sausage meat, mixing them with spices and milk and then cooking them. They end up looking like a scrambled eggs version of sausages. But they taste so good. Maybe if you cooked that pudding with milk instead of water it would look and taste better.
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Have you considered the electric chair?
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Antigravitas posted:So, in light of recent events in this thread… how 'bout that Eirexit? A Tory wet dream of a dead empire, any Irishman who believes that is a loving eejit. Us in Northern Ireland are extremely glad that we're not yet as buggered as the rest of Brexitania and a pox on anyone down south who wants to join this insanity.... tell them to move to England and have done with it. 
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As far as I can tell the only people actually pushing Irexit are literal Tories in England who are very annoyed that the EU is protecting Ireland from them
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gonadic io posted:As far as I can tell the only people actually pushing Irexit are literal Tories in England who are very annoyed that the EU is protecting Ireland from them Thank the gods for that, i might be up north but after "800 years of the brits" i don't want all of us falling into the abyss with them.
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I'm not convinced. Protecting the internal market from Irish pudding should be on the table.
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There's some Irish extremist nationalists that are flirting with it too.
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Aye there's always the tiny tiny freedom party who are currently checks notes complaining about people being afraid of a storm
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lemonadesweetheart posted:There's some Irish extremist nationalists that are flirting with it too. Flirting with the pudding?
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pudding and irexit
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