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acumen posted:Even if EW ends up being better than ShB - and it might - ShB is still extremely good. Like, HW and SB are good MMORPG expansions and FF games. But ShB is transcendent. I definitely wouldn't skip that one. I'm just starting Shadowbringers, but I can't play because of the queue. As someone enjoying the game vicariously through this thread and Larryzaur videos, what can I look forward to that makes Shadowbringers so good? Travic fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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Selachian posted:I'm also highly skeptical that the Senna kids are as old as they're shown on the chart. Padjal have the ability to stop or extremely slow their aging process, the listed ages are accurate. As for Extremes they're more complicated than Hard mode Trials, they tend not repeat mechanics in a run so you have to keep adapting to new circumstances as you go. Whereas a Hard mode you can usually run blind, I'd recommend watching a video tutorial for Extremes, or you'll wipe to avoidable mechanics several times until you learn, and you might still do that. All this assumes you're doing an at level or min-ilvl run of it. If you've got a party of 80s or 90s with you just watch the flashing lights and try not to die. Kwyndig fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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Anything in your WT is going to be from old content, though, and can thus be unsynced to make it much easier.
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Selachian posted:I'm also highly skeptical that the Senna kids are as old as they're shown on the chart. Extreme trials when first released or using min ilvl are reasonably tough, certainly much harder than the "hard" modes. They're a step below savage raids but they definitely require a coordinated group. People do form groups for them, but normally if they just want to clear them for that thing you spoilered they just go in unsynched so they can solo them.
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Plenty of groups clear extremes using pick-up groups in party finder so it's not too bad to get onboard with them. A lot of mechanics on EX fights in earlier expansions are just standard mechanics you see in modern raids or even dungeons now. The general difficulty tiering at level for 8/24 man content (there are of course exceptions) is normal/hard/story trials -> alliance raids = normal 8 man raids -> EX trials -> savage raids -> ultimates. Some alliance raids are very simple particularly by virtue of having 24 folks. Some are hard enough where there can and will be multiple wipes especially when new. Normal mode raids are around the same difficulty or perhaps a bit easier but the personal responsibility is higher since there's only 8 people. Everything below EX trials is just "queue using duty finder and hell, just go in blind". EX and above you will probably need a preformed group or will use party finder to get people and you probably want to at least give a quick glance at a guide unless you are going in blind with some friends. As a general rule, any content you unlock as part of playing through storylines is doable via DF and should not require advanced planning or commitment. Anything where the unlock is optional after you do the base version is going to be a step up.
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shoc77 posted:People are saying that endwalker is the best expansion for FF14. thats_bait.gif
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Travic posted:I'm just starting Shadowbringers, but I can't play because of the queue. As someone enjoying the game vicariously through this thread and Larryzaur videos, what can I look forward to that makes Shadowbringers so good? For me, it was just down to phenomenal storytelling. They really do a deep dive into the history of the conflict that's central to the game's plot in a way that's really gripping. They have a cool mystery going on with your main friendly NPC, they introduce a lot of other compelling allies and basically set the stage for the climax in Endwalker. All the Trials are incredibly cinematic and there's only one dungeon I felt was kinda meh. The zones are gorgeous, the music is incredible, my DRK armor looked cool as hell. I feel like it's hard for me to explain while trying not to spoil anything but it really was just firing on all cylinders pretty much from the time you finish the introductory MSQ steps
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Selachian posted:I'm also highly skeptical that the Senna kids are as old as they're shown on the chart. It’s a great time to jump into extremes. Traditionally the first two launch ones are the easiest or close to the easiest of the expansion (on purpose, they also make the first group of savage fights slightly easier. Their statement is they believe people are still acclimating to job changes), and they’re very approachable in AF gear + whatever accessories you’ve gotten from dungeons. If you want to soften them up further uncapped tome gear is all a decent upgrade and fairly easily obtainable. Finally people hitting cap at different paces means there’s a fairly steady flow of people learning them from scratch, along with no other challenging content coming out for a month so interest in farming is high. So there’s no better time to try it out
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Shadowbringers has excellent presentation, excellent pacing, great characters and character beats, and starts to pay off plot threads ranging all the way back to ARR - many of which you may not have even remembered or realized had significance at the time. The base premise was a gamble but they lay it out in a way where you realize that none of this was accidental and that they really do have a story planned out and aren't just winging it. Also yeah the duties and gameplay are spot on too.
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shoc77 posted:Given all the hype, should I just skip the previous expansions straight into it? You won't understand a thing. It's all one, cohesive story, everything in Endwalker is the payoff to plots and characters that start early in the game. Don't worry about hype, we'll be hyped about this poo poo for years. There's no obsolete content in this game, everything old gets used at the endgame.
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Are the other expansions easier to get into or can I expect them all to be like ARR->Heavensward?
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No other expansion's x.1-x.5 is as long as the one between ARR to HW, so you should be fine.
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Ibblebibble posted:No other expansion's x.1-x.5 is as long as the one between ARR to HW, so you should be fine. Also you don't need to get to the other starting cities to unlock each following expansion's new jobs.
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Tortolia posted:Shadowbringers has excellent presentation, excellent pacing, great characters and character beats, and starts to pay off plot threads ranging all the way back to ARR - many of which you may not have even remembered or realized had significance at the time. Skypie posted:For me, it was just down to phenomenal storytelling. They really do a deep dive into the history of the conflict that's central to the game's plot in a way that's really gripping. They have a cool mystery going on with your main friendly NPC, they introduce a lot of other compelling allies and basically set the stage for the climax in Endwalker. Sounds good. I have a three day weekend coming up so hopefully I can wake up early and get some time in.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Are the other expansions easier to get into or can I expect them all to be like ARR->Heavensward? In what sense? ARR does a ton of table setting and positioning pieces on the board, in part because Square was scrambling like mad to relaunch a game and put content into it. There were also some misguided choices in that era, like each patch needing X msq quests and approximately Y hours of time taken to do them. Once you clear 2.3 and they stop stalling a bit, they line up the pieces to get into HW and hit the gas. Beyond that the pacing is steady - the base expansion and patches up through X.3 tell that story and wrap it up, and X.4 and X.5 set up the next expansion. This is consistent all the way to Endwalker, where they rolled the story that would have normally been 6.1-6.3 into the base expansion. 6.1 will the the start of a brand new arc. So if the general slow pace of ARR is getting you down, no, it's not a constant issue going forward.
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Alright, you guys have convinced me. I admit that part of me wanting to rush to endwalker is because this is my first expansion on release and I would like to stay current on raid content and that if it takes me too long to reach endwalker, I would be too far behind the gear curve and unable to catch up.
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shoc77 posted:Alright, you guys have convinced me. The gear curve in this game doesn't work like that. It is not hard to get raid ready, so don't worry about it.
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i'm not really sure what that means tbh so i think it is something that is an issue for other mmos and not this one.
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shoc77 posted:Alright, you guys have convinced me. Every patch has a catch up mechanic, and the raids start fresh. The story level raids stay used in the roulettes, so they're always available. All the patches have big gear catch-up mechanics, and the hard difficulty raids are broken into tiers you can start with each patch. Even if it took you 6 months to catch up, you can easily catch up on gear and dive straight into that tier of raids.
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shoc77 posted:Alright, you guys have convinced me. The nice thing is FFXIV doesn't really obsolete content and makes gear catch-up trivial, so when you get to endgame - wherever the endgame itself may be then - you're not going to have issues getting going. So don't stress it and take your time.
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shoc77 posted:Alright, you guys have convinced me. This game doesn't work like that. It's not a concern at all, you'll never 'fall behind'.
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As an example, I started playing in July, just reached the end of Shadowbringers 5.0 around early November. Got gated from doing post-game content due to item level. I could have just bought crafted gear on the marketboard and been 100% up to date, but I'm cheap and decided to grind out upgrades via tomestones and raid drops. Took me about 2 weeks to get a high enough item level to participate in all post-game content, and could have gone quicker had I been willing to regrind the same raid multiple times a day (because apparently older raids have no limit on items you can earn).
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shoc77 posted:Alright, you guys have convinced me. You can be sufficiently geared for savage by just obtaining a set of crafted gear which has consistently only become easier or cheaper to obtain because more people capped crafters these days
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shoc77 posted:I admit that part of me wanting to rush to endwalker is because this is my first expansion on release and I would like to stay current on raid content and that if it takes me too long to reach endwalker, I would be too far behind the gear curve and unable to catch up. If you're looking at doing higher difficulty content than normal and Extreme, you still have to do a little prep as far as getting a minimum level of gear required but it's not like WoW (using this as an example because it's what I've played in the past) where gear is much more varied and some things can have good buffs and some things can have bad buffs or whatever and the good stuff might have awful drop rates. Gearing is much more straightforward in that you only have a few choices to make and the gear is pretty easy to get.
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Catch up is very painless in FF14, yeah. The devs deliberately made it easy to pick back up so you don't feel guilty or pressured into playing like it's a job. The main producer Yoshi-P is on record as having said as much. And that if you don't feel like playing, you can un-sub and come back later if there's content that appeals to you. At the time, years ago, there was some mild contention about that, where some people thought Yoshi-P wasn't taking his job as lead dev of an mmo seriously enough (because they felt MMOs should basically be a virtual world to immerse themselves in or at least a forever game you shouldn't be able to escape without pressure or difficulty) but in retrospect it was clear he was giving a mission statement. So take the game at your own pace, don't feel rushed. Heck, that's what streamers have been doing. Super No Vacancy posted:i'm not really sure what that means tbh so i think it is something that is an issue for other mmos and not this one. You dodged a bullet on mmo grinds, yes
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Super No Vacancy posted:i'm not really sure what that means tbh so i think it is something that is an issue for other mmos and not this one. Other games will have something like "Get Tier 1 raid gear to get Tier 2 raid gear to get Tier 3 raid gear to do the current Tier 4 content" and if they have ways to skip tiers it's long and grindy and intended as a way for geared folks to gear up their alts rather than for new players to get in on things. FF14, in contrast, has "entry-level" stuff that can be gotten by crafting, buying, running stuff for tomestones, et cetera. When Tier 4 content comes out, that "entry-level" access gets bumped up to Tier 3. You may need to run old raid tiers to unlock the new stuff, but you only need to run it once. And combine that with a system that encourages people running old content, it's very easy to get where you want to be compared to "the real game is at endgame and leveling is just filler" MMOs.
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Unrelated to the current topic, I swear after one of the recent Endwalker dev talks, they mentioned they were going to raise the Glamour dresser cap again. But, I can't find any details corroborating that when I search (just mention of the increase durng Shadowbringers), so now I'm wondering if I just imagined it.
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Celebrity Ghost posted:Unrelated to the current topic, I swear after one of the recent Endwalker dev talks, they mentioned they were going to raise the Glamour dresser cap again. But, I can't find any details corroborating that when I search (just mention of the increase durng Shadowbringers), so now I'm wondering if I just imagined it. I think they said around 6.1 was when they wanted to try and start implementing more glamour. That's what this article says anyway https://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/ffxiv-more-glamour-plates
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Ah ha! Thanks... I seemed to remember it wasn't for launch, but 6.1 isn't that bad of a wait.
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Celebrity Ghost posted:Unrelated to the current topic, I swear after one of the recent Endwalker dev talks, they mentioned they were going to raise the Glamour dresser cap again. But, I can't find any details corroborating that when I search (just mention of the increase durng Shadowbringers), so now I'm wondering if I just imagined it. I remember that too, but believe they said it would be in a 6.x patch not release. I don’t think they have specifics
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The implication was that they were working on solutions to the glamour problem (and it didn't sound like they were just talking about adding more plates or dresser slots) but that they would have more info for us at a later date. 6.1 is seemingly pretty packed so I expect any glamour changes, especially if they are more systemic, to come a bit later.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Every patch has a catch up mechanic As someone who hasn't reached any of the patches yet I'm curious, what are these mechanics? I assume the gear catch-up mechanic is previous patch gear being purchasable with Tomestones, but what's the leveling catch-up mechanic (assuming that's what you mean)?
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MockingQuantum posted:As someone who hasn't reached any of the patches yet I'm curious, what are these mechanics? I assume the gear catch-up mechanic is previous patch gear being purchasable with Tomestones, but what's the leveling catch-up mechanic (assuming that's what you mean)? Leveling itself has inherent catch-up through the passive armory bonus (50 or 100% bonus exp on jobs lower level than your highest), and being able to get exp via a variety of systems outside of just dungeons and roulettes; things like Wonderous Tales books or beast tribe dailies or PvP or challenge logs, or running the Bozja relic weapon battlefields. Gear catch-up takes multiple forms; new tiers of crafted gear in even number patches and ways to augment their ilevel slightly in odd; removing weekly drop limits on raid gear and tokens; tomestones for current expansion content being cycled and previously top tier tome gear later being available for the secondary unlimited/non-capped tomestone. I know plenty of folks who came back from a hiatus and just bought or had a crafter make them some crafted gear and they were off to go do the content they had missed and make further progress from there.
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MockingQuantum posted:As someone who hasn't reached any of the patches yet I'm curious, what are these mechanics? I assume the gear catch-up mechanic is previous patch gear being purchasable with Tomestones, but what's the leveling catch-up mechanic (assuming that's what you mean)? There’s no patch level up mechanics only for gear. In fact most of the patch quest are worse for coming than the MSQ of the X.0 content. Still you’ll probably enter Heavensward at level 60+ and the rest of the expansions 2+ levels above the minimum. It’s really hard to fall behind on leveling unless you’re leveling 3+ jobs simultaneously.
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Just do your Leveling Roulette and other roulette dailies and you won't ever be wanting for exp. You'll even the 47-50 doldrums if you're still leveling your main job. You get pretty generous Armoury Bonuses for leveling alt jobs, double the exp rate from enemies including dungeon bosses so long as they're lower level than your main job. The Armoury Bonus drops to 50% when you hit level 80 but by that point you're probably engaging with the current expac content. Gear catch-up is mostly about buying crafted gear, which is always good and fast, if pricey, or grinding tomestones from level 50/60/70/80 dungeons and raids. Stuff that used to be endgame content when their respective expacs were current. I say grinding but it's pretty fast, all told. And from Post-ARR on, you'll also be getting gear from msq quests so you shouldn't have to worry about gearing up your first job at all.
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I feel like I'm slogging through the lvl 50 MSQ chains in order to unlock all the post-50 job quests for all the jobs I've hit 60+ on. I outleveled MSQ even before Praetorium and really just want my job quest skills, y'know?
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Cyks posted:My original post was about how I quit the game twice on my first two attempts and how I am now enjoying it immensely by playing through it in a different way but people see the word “skip” and just jump on it. I think people are more adamant about this approach because many of us (definitely including myself) are the "rush to end game" type players, had the exact same experience, and learned this lesson the hard way with FFXIV. I'd suggest anyone new try it without the level skip at least until you get to the end boss of Heavensward. And it supposedly keeps getting better (I'm still 62 on my main). Because if you don't think that's rad and want to skip over it, that's totally valid, but odds seem to be against people falling into this camp.
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