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Cao Ni Ma posted:Its unlikely that Russia's economy would ever get close to the US so its never going to be an economic threat to it. I can see Russia playing both sides if the US lets up. But have you considered that USA is run by a bunch of brain dead old people that still think it's 1980?
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Dec 8, 2021 22:15
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Cao Ni Ma posted:How much is this because you have a common adversary though? I can see a shift happening in a few decades if the US stops being as antagonistic and realizes they cant contain both russia and china at the same time and China's economies engine is much more powerful The Russian economy can't threaten the US on its own, no, but it can as part of a China-led economic block. Russia has way more to gain materially from further cooperation with China. The United States isn't going to "let up" on Russia because it's an existential issue for the world system that any state isn't fully opened up to international markets. Global capitalism needs new markets to expand into, and even if it doesn't at the moment it needs to reserve developing & 3rd world countries for future exploitation. We can't really steer clear of expanding the zone of control all the way up to Russia's border, because central Asian economies that are more closely tied to Russia or China are a loss to the First World.
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Dec 8, 2021 22:24
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Lostconfused posted:But have you considered that USA is run by a bunch of brain dead old people that still think it's 1980? I mean it would be logical to try to start pivoting to that now but its not going to happen because of the idiots in power now. 20 or 30 years from now though, who knows. I dont think millenials or zoomers are going to be giving a gently caress
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Dec 8, 2021 22:25
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Funny that me saying "I believe the accusations" is what prompted that title purchase if you don’t mind being permabanned you should just keep replying with Greyjoy quotes about believing women…sometimes
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Dec 8, 2021 22:26
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Russian economy can't threaten the US on its own, no, but it can as part of a China-led economic block. Russia has way more to gain materially from further cooperation with China. The United States isn't going to "let up" on Russia because it's an existential issue for the world system that any state isn't fully opened up to international markets. Global capitalism needs new markets to expand into, and even if it doesn't at the moment it needs to reserve developing & 3rd world countries for future exploitation. We can't really steer clear of expanding the zone of control all the way up to Russia's border, because central Asian economies that are more closely tied to Russia or China are a loss to the First World. russia and central asia as conduits for trade from the pacific coast of eurasia to the EU could stand to make a shitload of ca$$h
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Dec 8, 2021 22:28
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Cao Ni Ma posted:How much is this because you have a common adversary though? I can see a shift happening in a few decades if the US stops being as antagonistic and realizes they cant contain both russia and china at the same time and China's economies engine is much more powerful Russia would maybe play both sides but the problem is the Russian government wouldn’t back off their current strategic interests to make it happen. In addition, Russo-Chinese trade has really been climbing in recent years and Russia would take a economic hit. If US let up, relations would obviously improve but I would be doubtful Moscow would give up its strategic alliance with the Chinese. Race is complex in Russia and it is clear there is intense xenophobia against Central Asian immigrations (worse than ever) but there is also a fair amount of interest in China as well. Many people see it as a place of opportunity and they probably aren’t wrong. I would say feelings are probably warmer than in the West. As for Europe, there is still positive feelings but they are dimming especially since economic opportunities are in reality not really that amazing for a lot of potential immigrants. There are people who moved to the EU and are moving back because it is actually pretty difficult to make any headway. The European way of doing things is better than the US at the same time people I know are surprised about higher taxes, the cost of health care, housing, and education. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:52 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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Dec 8, 2021 22:31
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Deified Data posted:Yeah I mean I have no trouble at all believing there's a lot of sexism in the party and the idea that one of them might be an abuser doesn't rock my worldview. I hope it's properly investigated and discipline happens, if necessary. I see no issue at all with saying that and also saying western concern trolling over this is just imperialist intrigue. yea same. I believe her story and have full belief that the party has sexism and related issues that make things easy for abusive people to slip into things. I also think that 90% of the western journalists hungrily trying to claim that a woman making public posts and going out to dinner with friends is secretly 'missing' don't actually care about her and probably have written about how we need to support whichever rapist they supported last election so maybe they can focus on that issue.
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Dec 8, 2021 22:39
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I was looking up some articles about Russia and saw something by the Atlantic Council. I have no idea what the piece actually said because I couldn’t stop laughing at what popped up on my phone. Come on!
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Dec 8, 2021 22:40
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Lostconfused posted:America sure, but this is the first time I am hearing anything about Europe. St petersburg? Wealth is the attraction yes, but bias is bias?
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Dec 8, 2021 22:49
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Femur posted:St petersburg? In what context, as a tourist trap?
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Dec 8, 2021 22:54
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I mean it would be logical to try to start pivoting to that now but its not going to happen because of the idiots in power now. 20 or 30 years from now though, who knows. I dont think millenials or zoomers are going to be giving a gently caress To be pessimistic, millenials and zoomers will just gobble up propaganda about how russia and china are fascist totalitarian authoritarianian ultranationalists who lust for the death of democracy instead.
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Dec 8, 2021 22:57
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Atrocious Joe posted:Carlson is right that it makes strategic sense for the US to ally with Russia against China. Russia and China are two very different countries with a history of conflict. The American oligarchy is completely poisoned by Russophobia and would never accept Russia as an equal partner on the world stage, even if they do share values it would have to be as a vassal state like UK and Australia.
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Dec 8, 2021 22:59
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also don't forget a fair size of our MIC literally believe that Russia and China are teaming up to do...bad stuff...just general bond villain poo poo
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Dec 8, 2021 23:02
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eSports Chaebol posted:if you don’t mind being permabanned you should just keep replying with Greyjoy quotes about believing women…sometimes NGL was considering doing that but stirring poo poo doesn't work out well.
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Dec 8, 2021 23:05
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Atrocious Joe posted:Carlson is right that it makes strategic sense for the US to ally with Russia against China. Russia and China are two very different countries with a history of conflict. He probably just wants it for white nationalist/clash of civilizations/Nazbol reasons though
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Dec 8, 2021 23:09
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Cao Ni Ma posted:How much is this because you have a common adversary though? I can see a shift happening in a few decades if the US stops being as antagonistic and realizes they cant contain both russia and china at the same time and China's economies engine is much more powerful i personally believe this will come down to how much trade is done between russia and usa vs russia and china and correct if im wrong but i think there a whole lot more trade and economic ties going on between russia and china Agrajag has issued a correction as of 23:45 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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Dec 8, 2021 23:40
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Cpt_Obvious posted:NGL was considering doing that but stirring poo poo doesn't work out well. congrats on the Chad CCP liker av for having correct opinions in the face of the d&d libs
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Dec 8, 2021 23:50
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Agrajag posted:i personally believe this will come down to how much trade is done between russia and usa vs russia and china and correct if im wrong but i think there a whole lot more trade and economic ties going on between russia and china 14% of Russia exports go to and 20% of their come from China; since Russian exports are significantly higher than imports they are one of the few countries with a trade surplus with the PRC Total EU trade is higher but Russian-US trade is fairly minimal. It is probably why there is an effort by DC to drive a wedge between Russia, and the EU while the EU is worried about being eclipsed by China in terms of trade. It is why Nordstream 2 is a bigger issue than just Ukraine. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:54 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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Dec 8, 2021 23:51
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Agrajag posted:i personally believe this will come down to how much trade is done between russia and usa vs russia and china and correct if im wrong but i think there a whole lot more trade and economic ties going on between russia and china All I know is that when I go to buy cheap electronics from aliexpress there's a bunch of reviews from russians.
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Dec 8, 2021 23:52
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https://mobile.twitter.com/geoffpilkington/status/1468675522531979264
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Dec 8, 2021 23:55
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaLawTransl8/status/1468669776402829316 this unironically sounds like the lib position on amazon lol
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Dec 8, 2021 23:57
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thatfatkid posted:congrats on the Chad CCP liker av for having correct opinions in the face of the d&d libs Thx, it was a nice gift by a mysterious stranger.
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Dec 8, 2021 23:58
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the white house spokeswoman: sending a test to every household? for free? lol. lmao. what world do you live in? china: alright let's do weather manipulation
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Dec 9, 2021 00:03
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Ardennes posted:14% of Russia exports go to and 20% of their come from China; since Russian exports are significantly higher than imports they are one of the few countries with a trade surplus with the PRC Yeah, one of the functions a hostile Russia serves is to keep the EU in line. Following the US line leaves a lot of money on the table, from Iran sanctions to Huawei.
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Dec 9, 2021 00:20
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I think Bush 2, Obama, and Trump all started their administrations saying they would repair US relations with Russia and by the time they left relations were worse than ever. You all remember the reset button 
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Dec 9, 2021 00:22
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Agrajag posted:i personally believe this will come down to how much trade is done between russia and usa vs russia and china and correct if im wrong but i think there a whole lot more trade and economic ties going on between russia and china oh absolutely, just from the physical distance alone it makes a whole lot more sense to trade with china than the US. Most of the trade that would open up to russia in this case isn't going to be directly from the US, its going to be with europe once we start dropping sanctions Still, I dont see Russia abandoning ties with China. It'll be mostly lip service and neutrality. A stop of joint exercises, weapons agreements for the ability to trade more openly with europe and sell more weapons to chinese neighbors.
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Dec 9, 2021 00:26
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big grats to the perfidious Han for joining us Jews in 'controls the weather' as a conspiracy about them. Gettin big leagues now, fellas!
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Dec 9, 2021 00:28
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sexpig by night posted:big grats to the perfidious Han for joining us Jews in 'controls the weather' as a conspiracy about them. Gettin big leagues now, fellas! It's such an absurd lie, there's been no fuel for my weather machine for at least 2 years due to the supply chain breakdown.
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Dec 9, 2021 00:36
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaLawTransl8/status/1468669776402829316 cancel prime and pay for shipping, as a form of protest you see
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Dec 9, 2021 00:41
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Cao Ni Ma posted:oh absolutely, just from the physical distance alone it makes a whole lot more sense to trade with china than the US. Most of the trade that would open up to russia in this case isn't going to be directly from the US, its going to be with europe once we start dropping sanctions The Russian government also knows that the US will always be a bigger threat to them than the PRC and it is why backing off from Chinese relations too much will always be a non starter since they need China to slowly push the US out of the picture while reinforcing India as a counter-weight.
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Dec 9, 2021 00:44
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thatfatkid posted:congrats on the Chad CCP liker av for having correct opinions in the face of the d&d libs That's the new one, this was the one D&D gave him for saying he believed Peng Shuai lol
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Dec 9, 2021 00:48
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https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584838-chinas-economic-clay-feet China weak
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Dec 9, 2021 00:48
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Ardennes posted:In what context, as a tourist trap? Yeah the city they built to impress the europeans. My old french company sends us there for training.
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Dec 9, 2021 01:00
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You all should stop posting in D&D.
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Dec 9, 2021 01:05
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https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamYang120/status/1468730605651529729
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Dec 9, 2021 01:06
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All the countries who are boycotting are currently committing genocides that are actually killing people.
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Dec 9, 2021 01:12
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bipartisanship ftw https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-08/house-passes-bill-to-punish-china-over-oppression-of-uyghurs quote:
who is the lone cowboy ?
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Dec 9, 2021 01:17
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/biden-putin-us-troops/index.htmlquote:But he said the US would not dispatch its own forces to protect Ukraine, a stance that US officials have previously ruled out as well. Is this the pivot? lmao this is the poo poo I heard about Russia in the 90s. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 01:24 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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Dec 9, 2021 01:22
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i wish california would try cloud seeding so all the trees didn't have to burn down
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Dec 9, 2021 01:28
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sorry doing stuff is communism now and strictly banned
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Dec 9, 2021 01:29
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