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Eej posted:I'm trying to think of the use case for the exile from library part of this card. Deck thinning? Removing potential bad draws from your current matchup? A big flaming stink posted:Holy poo poo I only now realized that Huntmaster doesn't give you additional copies for each copy you exile from your deck Lone Goat posted:what an overdeveloped mess
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TheKingofSprings posted:If they're going to implement all this complicated arcane bullshit, let me synchro summon already Melding is already halfway there
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mandatory lesbian posted:Melding is already halfway there That's Fusion!!!
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That same set had tribute summoning so I guess someone was getting Ideas
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Yeah I get the reference but why
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TheKingofSprings posted:That's Fusion!!! Wizards needs to print a card named "Polymerization" just to thumb YGO in the eye.
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TheKingofSprings posted:If they're going to implement all this complicated arcane bullshit, let me synchro summon already banding, but permanent
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Dec 8, 2021 20:43
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These new cards seem to interact with Persistent Petitioner/Dragon's Approach in a way that might be . . .unexpected.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Bringing merfolk back to modern tonight Yeah! In my lgs, people are also playing suboptimal/semi-budget or old decks. It’s really fun and my cheap living end deck fits right in. Let’s just collectively ignore alchemy and instead play fun formats.
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DreamScythe posted:These new cards seem to interact with Persistent Petitioner/Dragon's Approach in a way that might be . . .unexpected. I mean you still have to draw and cast the card to Do The Thing, not trivial in a 60 card deck. But even if it became a problem somehow, they could just rebalance the cards
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DreamScythe posted:These new cards seem to interact with Persistent Petitioner/Dragon's Approach in a way that might be . . .unexpected. How so? If you pack your deck with dead cards, you can... thin your deck of those dead cards?
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Dec 8, 2021 21:07
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TheKingofSprings posted:That's Fusion!!! Its both! Syncro in being purely creature based and not needing a spell, fusion in that the creatures are super specific (altho yes modern yugioh doesnt do that but bare with me)
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ALLAN LASSUS posted:https://twitter.com/MTGNerdGirl/status/1468418004933169157?s=20 Hahahahahahahaahhajajahaha
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A big flaming stink posted:Kind of surprised there's a large enough market for trad Chinese (I assume simplified already had these products?) Its pretty clear they expect a 'you know what it does' approach to these cards rather than a full mechanical understanding. Also maybe I missed it before but 'draft' is literally just discover from hearthstone from whatever cardpool.
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DreamScythe posted:These new cards seem to interact with Persistent Petitioner/Dragon's Approach in a way that might be . . .unexpected. Maybe, but I think Lost Legacy is the best enabler for this plan, unless you're building a one card combo in your SB it will let you draw a few cards from your deck when it goes off.
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Dec 8, 2021 22:48
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The Wizards of the Coast company is not happy with me—that’s okay, I’ll still keep playing that garbage.
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these things are not magic cards
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kalvanoo posted:these things are not magic cards More like tragic cards 😂😂😂🤣🤣
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Pablo Nergigante posted:The Wizards of the Coast company is not happy with me—that’s okay, I’ll still keep playing that garbage. Hey now, you seem to really enjoy merfolk. Don't be saying it's garbage already
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Strong Sauce posted:Yeah I updated the OP to include their title. Being in traditional means it only hits HK and Taiwan. And both LGSs I follow are loving pissed at this. I've known dudes for a literal decade now that do 3-4 drafts a weekend, and have been playing since the 90s and they are PISSED right now
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And thinking that in 2019 they began printing Pokemon in traditional Chinese and it blew up and took over alot of floor space in those places, hmm yes dropping traditional chinese and switching to just english is sure gonna bring in new players here
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So it's intuitive enough what it means when the game asks you to draft from a spellbook but I'm still not clear on all the details. If you draft multiple cards from the spellbook are you allowed to take the same card multiple times? Is it a shared spellbook between players? The word draft implies it's like a physical booster pack, which would mean there's exactly 1 copy of all the cards for that game, but there's a lot of different ways they could have made it work.
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Ultima66 posted:So it's intuitive enough what it means when the game asks you to draft from a spellbook but I'm still not clear on all the details. If you draft multiple cards from the spellbook are you allowed to take the same card multiple times? Is it a shared spellbook between players? The word draft implies it's like a physical booster pack, which would mean there's exactly 1 copy of all the cards for that game, but there's a lot of different ways they could have made it work. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-digital/mtg-arena-state-game-alchemy-2021-12-02 
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Ultima66 posted:So it's intuitive enough what it means when the game asks you to draft from a spellbook but I'm still not clear on all the details. If you draft multiple cards from the spellbook are you allowed to take the same card multiple times? Is it a shared spellbook between players? The word draft implies it's like a physical booster pack, which would mean there's exactly 1 copy of all the cards for that game, but there's a lot of different ways they could have made it work. They have stated that drafting a card from the spellbook doesn't remove it and it can show up to be drafted again. I believe that answers all of the included questions.
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I can't wait for Draft (wheel), which works like Draft, but if you choose the option that has been chosen the least amount of times by all players on Arena today, you get two copies instead!
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it's the one good idea hearthstone ever had, if you've ever heard of how 'discover' works in that game: you get presented 3 options off of a shortlist of cards in the game, and you get to pick the one you think is best for your current situation. you're not presented with the full list, because in that case it'd just be extra copies of the best card in that list even then hearthstone backed into it b/c their previous go-to was 'randomly pick any card in the game for you' -- meaning that a card that gave you a random 2-drop could give you one of the best cards in the game or wipe your entire board. plus, their early implementations of discover Sucked because their shortlists weren't curated (a card that let you discover any card in the game with a certain keyword at the time had very high odds of giving you, again, one of the best cards in the game in certain classes) mtg having a very specific shortlist should make it feel a bit different at least
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I know what Discover is in Hearthstone and it's a good mechanic. I just didn't know Draft in Arena is Discover and what the hell that's such a terrible name for it.
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Draft will be fine in Magic because the worst part about playing against Discover was that it essentially doubled or tripled the number is legendaries you could have in a deck (ie from 1 to 2 or 3) which makes playing around someone's deck extremely annoying if you're saving removal for their one or two bombs but they pull a third copy out of thin air
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"Draft" as a keyword really makes me feel like they are running out of words. That feeling kinda started with cleave or something I have repressed. I do look forward to finding out if they keep the translations consistent between the two meaning of the word. Mechanically it is fine, but hilariously terrible for arena because I am quite certain that they will be unable to build a good interface to look up the details for all the cards in a "spellbook" inside the arena interface.
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The chose Draft because you're picking a card out of other cards, and it's a word they would never use as a keyword in non-Digital Magic.
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"vivisect" would have been an infinitely better keyword than "cleave." both more evocative and flavorful
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A big flaming stink posted:"vivisect" would have been an infinitely better keyword than "cleave." both more evocative and flavorful Not me explaining what vivisect means to kids all day.
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A big flaming stink posted:"vivisect" would have been an infinitely better keyword than "cleave." both more evocative and flavorful the only way I see Cleave being a rational choice, is if the word itself needed to be as short as possible, so they were left with only bad choices
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Goa Tse-tung posted:the only way I see Cleave being a rational choice, is if the word itself needed to be as short as possible, so they were left with only bad choices makes sense if my hypothesis is right (they split innistrad into 2 sets and had to fill out the vow design doc so they snatched the "hack" mechanic from kamigawa and hastily renamed it)
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:makes sense if my hypothesis is right (they split innistrad into 2 sets and had to fill out the vow design doc so they snatched the "hack" mechanic from kamigawa and hastily renamed it) It was devised during Streets of New Capenna design and was meant to feel like bribery, not hacking; if you pay the cost, you get to ignore some of the text. It didn't fill the gap it needed to fill there, but they liked it enough that when Crimson Vow came into Set Design with multikicker, they removed multikicker and used this mechanic instead.
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I'm here because the squeeze of Arena has become too much and I don't want to pay boatloads of money to play this game. In-person drafts sound fun to me, as well as a cube for playing with friends. Are artisan or pauper cubes affordable/fun?
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Cleave should not have been cleave because cleave is something I would expect for a combat trick, or actually cutting something. Not "Reductive Kicker" Omit is what I would have used and had it been an additional cost exactly like kicker. Cleave would have been saved for some 'fixed' rampage effect where it deals its full power to each creature blocking it and then maybe can't trample? I don't know, design didn't hire me.
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disaster pastor posted:It was devised during Streets of New Capenna design and was meant to feel like bribery, not hacking; if you pay the cost, you get to ignore some of the text. It didn't fill the gap it needed to fill there, but they liked it enough that when Crimson Vow came into Set Design with multikicker, they removed multikicker and used this mechanic instead. Oh yeah it should have been bribe and then the rules could read "if the bribe was paid, ignore the bracketed text"
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:makes sense if my hypothesis is right (they split innistrad into 2 sets and had to fill out the vow design doc so they snatched the "hack" mechanic from kamigawa and hastily renamed it) I think a better application of "splice" is going to fit the hacking theme just fine.
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It's funny that when I returned to MTG after literally 20 years away from the game and learned about all the tiny variations on kicker or whatever that got their own dogshit keywords, it's cleave of all things that leads people to claim that keywords have jumped the shark.
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