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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Thus was literally true in early drafts. "Gentling" involved castration, explicitly. I'm glad Robert Jordan decided to stop short of genital mutilation.
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I think they have done a good job of showing the emotional impact of losing a bonded partner. That being said, I figure the more esoteric parts of the bond are difficult to show on screen without literally having a character explain it out loud.
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:I'm glad Robert Jordan decided to stop short of genital mutilation. It certainly would have made healing more difficult.
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Dec 9, 2021 17:57
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Or at least more of a challenge to film
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Dec 9, 2021 17:58
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CainFortea posted:Well, they have both shown and told at this point. So it seems pretty clear. It’s not appropriate to discuss in this thread WHY I think this. I’ll continue in the book thread
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Dec 9, 2021 18:02
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I’ve read the books (admittedly, back when the last one came out) and I have no idea what you’re angling at. If I can’t figure it out based on my knowledge from the books plus seeing it on screen, I’m not sure how TV watchers are supposed to understand whatever it is.
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th3t00t posted:I’m not so sure it’s clear for non-readers. Which is why I was looking for a non-reader to explain the bond as they understand it. My understanding is that it's a magical connection linking the AS to her warder on a very deep level. Emotions are clearly shared, they're aware of each other's physical sensations to some level, and I think it's likely that certain personality traits become shared as well. There must be some sort of ritual involved, but I'm not sure yet how much say the warder gets in who their partner AS becomes. Is there a test to determine compatibility, or does it all come about more naturally by virtue of novices all growing and training in the tower together? It seems like a very permanent commitment. In thinking about it, I wonder how much the warder changes after the ritual...the AS is clearly the more dominant in the partnership. I read the first couple of books well over a decade now and remember next to nothing so this is all from watching the show.
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But does it make them all homos? 
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i get the impression that sexuality isn't so rigidly defined or cared about in this universe
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Dec 9, 2021 18:45
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From the non-book reader reactions I've seen on YouTube, everyone seems to have grasped the Warder/Aes Sedai bond pretty easily. Which seems to have made the funeral scene(s) pretty impactful for non-book readers, even though that scene seems to be gotten a lot of poo poo in this thread.
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As a non-book reader my grasp of it is that those who want to be Warders go to the WT and say that's what they want and then they start martial training to find out if they have the spirit and body for the commitment. While that is happening (or before as Stepin explained in how he became one) any AS that are novices are around and start getting chummy. We know that not all Ajah have/need Warders so in a way it seems that if you came to WT to become a Warder you knew what you were getting into. Of course when it comes to bonding we haven't been told or explicitly shown the rituals to create the bond but I'm sure there's channeling involved. Without magic the idea of two (or more) people being so close at all times being able to feel pain and other emotions makes sense because that's just something that happens when you are always together, but to literally feel the pain when a Trolloc stabs you in the shoulder probably requires a magical bond. When one part of the bond is gone, the other half is now going through a LOT of various forms of trauma so I feel that any Warders or AS that tough it out and create a new bond are in a tiny minority and that is another reason why both jobs are not for anyone (ignoring the fact you need to be able to channel in the first place) That's what I've gathered over 5 episodes, and it also explains why Valda suspected Egwene
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Data Graham posted:So what you're saying is that there's no Wankatorium Bezos you're sitting on a goldmin here
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Someone pointed this out in the other thread, but the Wheel of Time Origins animations are now available as normal stand-alone extras. Really good explainers about some stuff or just neat stories about other stuff.
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DTurtle posted:Someone pointed this out in the other thread, but the Wheel of Time Origins animations are now available as normal stand-alone extras. Really good explainers about some stuff or just neat stories about other stuff. Yeah the animations are top notch and really explain a lot of things.
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The new episode was up for me straight away today; rather than on a 10 to 15 minute delay. Which is nice. The bonus animation is already up too. "An Ogier's Longing". Amazon Prime posted:The story of an Ogier treesings his stedding into the world and takes us on a journey through time to understand the lives they lead. I take it treesings is "tree sings", but I'll watch it after the main episode. tsob fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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We've been getting lots of reports about book spoilers; on the one hand this is a 100 year old series with 192,000 pages of stuff to talk about, on the other hand don't be a dick. SO! If you think something could be even slightly book-spoilery please put it in spoiler blocks! It makes the thread look like a CIA FOIA release, so what. Conversely! Try to find calm with knowing that talking about this show on the internet might mean you won't maintain a perfect clean room brain! Spoilers aren't the end of the world, even if it's polite of people to respect them. Namaste nerdfriends.
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New episode up! And may mark the first time I've ever done the "Now kiss!" and the show did it! When Moiraine and the Amerlyn kiss in her quarters Also this is gonna be a goldmine for kink-minded types on social media. Edit: I posted that while watching and as I was typing it got worse/better! 
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Dec 10, 2021 01:52
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Loved that episode
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Episode rocks, show rocks.
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Yeah it feels like this is starting to hum on all cylinders now.
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Fantastic ep. Pike and Okenwedo absolutely crushed it and Barney was great too. Can't wait to see how they close the season out
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Rarity posted:Fantastic ep. Pike and Okenwedo absolutely crushed it and Barney was great too. Can't wait to see how they close the season out One thing I think the show as a whole is doing well is these little naturalistic moments. Like Nynaeve jumping in with "I tracked him!" a little too eagerly at the camp, just like you would if you were a bit drunk and nervous. Or "That's not how roads work!". Or the little bits between Siuane and Moiraine of the former defusing the latter with a pet-name and getting a laugh despite Moiraine's desire to keep being mad. It takes this high fantasy world and makes the people feel real. And like, that's all you really need. Make me believe these are real people who believe this stuff is real and happening and it doesn't matter if the effects are a little ropey sometimes. I also really like how they very quickly put Liandrin aside as a concern in the immediate story in favour of the story of these two women who love each other but can't be together because of forces bigger than them. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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I think this is the first episode where I was more annoyed by the changes to the books than indifferent. Still a cool episode though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNrZ6c1Mjy8
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Anyone catch Fain anywhere? I looked, but didn't see anyone.
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IcePhoenix posted:I think this is the first episode where I was more annoyed by the changes to the books than indifferent. come to the book thread to discuss those changes
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Episode was great. Mat: Still a piece of poo poo
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Just loving the cinematography / these sets and all the colors. Although Suian's dress and shawl aren't quite working for me. Also lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTBa2qzBW80&t=67s
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Mover posted:Mat is the only sane one lol 
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Mover posted:Mat is the only sane one lol I mean, sure, maybe he noticed Moiraine not answering the question about what happens to the other 4. But dude's in the middle of loving nowhere with no horse and his 4 best friends all went with the magic lady that sucked a demon out of him like 2 days ago.
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Gaz-L posted:I mean, sure, maybe he noticed Moiraine not answering the question about what happens to the other 4. But dude's in the middle of loving nowhere with no horse and his 4 best friends all went with the magic lady that sucked a demon out of him like 2 days ago. He is a skilled horse trader, though. Maybe he's hoping to collect the horses and get rich on the proceeds?
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This show is a disgrace to the books. It’s moving WAY too loving fast. The changes made for the show are dumb as gently caress, too.
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lol. Yea why can't we get 8 full episodes of these sheep herders running from Trollocs still 🙄
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Episode 6 is the best one yet. God I love this one so much. I'm super psyched if the show's writing can stay at this level.
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Gaz-L posted:One thing I think the show as a whole is doing well is these little naturalistic moments. Like Nynaeve jumping in with "I tracked him!" a little too eagerly at the camp, just like you would if you were a bit drunk and nervous. Or "That's not how roads work!". Or the little bits between Siuane and Moiraine of the former defusing the latter with a pet-name and getting a laugh despite Moiraine's desire to keep being mad. It takes this high fantasy world and makes the people feel real. And like, that's all you really need. Make me believe these are real people who believe this stuff is real and happening and it doesn't matter if the effects are a little ropey sometimes. I think Liandrin herself is the greatest beneficiary of that blessing for the moment, and while she's very obviously a snake as Nynaeve called her, she also constantly shows some humanity in smalls ways; whether that's desiring revenge for a dead colleague, or, as this episode highlighted having a secret male lover despite her colleague's views on men. She's vile, but humanely vile, rather than just a stock villain. Anyway, this week's trivia: Amazon Prime X-Ray posted:
Nothing terribly spoilery; mostly just minor details like where characters are from, what specific terms that were used definitively mean if the context didn't make it clear and so on. That aside, the first note there kind of makes me wonder because it says that it's interesting that the port of Tear is at the mouth of a river, and umm...yeah? Where else is a port going to be, really? Most ports are at river mouths, no? Also, two new bios for this episode. Bio 1: Amazon Prime X-Ray posted:
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The Bonus animation for this episode, "An Ogier's Longing" is a random Ogier reminiscing about the Steddings, and how Ogier are almost bound to them, so that it is unusual for an Ogier to leave them as he has along with the Ogier's talent for both masonry and crafting in general. There's no behind the scenes videos for this episode so far as I can see, though they may just be slow at putting them up, I guess. That said, there are several concept drawings and behind the scenes stills of things like Siuan's childhood home, her personal home that she and Moiraine spend the night in etc. Really pretty stuff that's worth a look. tsob fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Sab669 posted:lol. Yea why can't we get 8 full episodes of these sheep herders running from Trollocs still 🙄 out of the 8 seasons written they should have 2 of them covering just the first book, the one that is the most unlike literally every single one of the 14 other, longer, books written for the series
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I was legit surprised Moraine and the seat were lovers. What did Moraine drop in the bath house? It looked like and earing
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The only thing that's a little strange, and it's easily hand-waved, was Siuane's younger self seemed to have a Scottish accent and Sophie Okenado went with almost an RP voice for official business and her normal one for private stuff. I mean, it's easy enough to say her accent changed/faded over years wandering as a Blue and living in the tower as the seat, but would've been nice to stay consistent.
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