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lemonadesweetheart posted:There's some Irish extremist nationalists that are flirting with it too.
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Arquinsiel posted:Mostly they're just actual fascists, or it's Hernann Kelly who used to work for Farrage and probably still does TBH. Potato, potato
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I mean we've all had this conversation a thousand times on the other side of the Irish sea. The EU really loving sucks as a neolib power enforcer and actively punishes any attempt at any of its members being slightly too socialist as well as completely locking them out of any internal governance. If any country was leaving in order to be more left, then great. However wouldn't you know it but none of the people discussing leaving have that plan.
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gonadic io posted:I mean we've all had this conversation a thousand times on the other side of the Irish sea. The EU really loving sucks as a neolib power enforcer and actively punishes any attempt at any of its members being slightly too socialist as well as completely locking them out of any internal governance. If any country was leaving in order to be more left, then great. However wouldn't you know it but none of the people discussing leaving have that plan. Leaving a group, even a neo-liberal one is kinda against general leftist thought which is more focused on trying to build a collective effort towards a more equal society. Sucks that it plays into the status quo.
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Irexit is a bad idea for the same reason that Brexit was a bad idea: the left will not have any say over the shape of a post-EU Ireland, not least because liberals hate socialists (or rather, Keynesian social democrats labelled as socialists) more than fascists.
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Any shift leftward for an "Irexit" would be punished even more by the EU than Brexit already is, both due to the EU's core values and also fears of domino effects.
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Venomous posted:Irexit is a bad idea for the same reason that Brexit was a bad idea: the left will not have any say over the shape of a post-EU Ireland, not least because liberals hate socialists (or rather, Keynesian social democrats labelled as socialists) more than fascists. This reminds me about the idea of a Left Wing exit from the EU to bring about socialist ideas (was it called Lexit?) And how it was dumb. It never really went into the practical realities of how you were going to bring about improvements. Let alone what improvements to people's lives that you were going to bring about that you couldn't while in the EU. Like why can't you fix some of the existing problems facing society before trying to fix ones that are linked to membership of the EU? For all it's faults, there were certain things that the Brexiteers wanted to bring about that they couldn't while in the EU. Like removing workers rights. Or getting out of the ECHR and the ECJ. And bringing back the death penalty. You know, all things they are working on.
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You would have to be insane to think Ireland wouldn't just be sucked dry by the UK if they did irexit.
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I don't know, if you cound get like half a dozen competent politicians together you could probably arrange it so that michael higgins becomes king of the UK when the queen dies, in exchange for giving the government two cases of guinness and a packet of taytos.
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happyhippy posted:You would have to be insane to think Ireland wouldn't just be sucked dry by the UK if they did irexit. Sounds hot when you put it like that E: and yeah Lexit has always been dumb because for ever leftie who wants to disband the EU and create a socialist replacement there's 50,000 fash nutters who want to disband the EU so that they can legalise hunting immigrants from horseback
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But if we leave the EU how do we convince companies to move here to evade taxes
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Ireland has never once had a left wing government in the last 100 years. The Irish electorate has been quite clear, repeatedly, unfortunately on just having absolutely no interest in one. The EU has if anything been a force dragging our politics leftwards, much to the chagrin of FF and FG over the last few decades. Irexit removing EU protections on things like workers rights would just result in Ireland becoming America-lite - lower taxes for the wealthy, more privatisation, less government services. Leo's wet dream basically. Not to mention the total disaster for our completely MNC dependent economic model that us no longer being in the common market would result in... Its reassuring at least to see how little traction the idea ever got with the public here, even before the disaster that is Brexit began to unfold properly.
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kustomkarkommando posted:But if we leave the EU how do we convince companies to move here to evade taxes Build more golf courses
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 Just pretend I replaced the SimCity guy with Paschal Donohoe or something idk
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I puke in my mouth a little every time I hear an ad for Doonbeg.
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I may betray much of my working-class origins with my kombucha and tofu lifestyle, but I will never golf. Although I would like to give that football golf a go
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tea and tofu are working class foods in asia if you want to feel better about being a bougie gently caress
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There's also frisbee golf, but not to my knowledge rowing golf.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:tea and tofu are working class foods in asia if you want to feel better about being a bougie gently caress I dunno if trans-racialism is the answer to my bourgeois insecurities, but I am intrigued
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Failed Imagineer posted:I dunno if trans-racialism is the answer to my bourgeois insecurities, but I am intrigued just move to asia
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lemonadesweetheart posted:just move to asia Nah, then I wouldn't be able to keep up with the Irish Politics thread
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Doesn't matter a gently caress without an election and enough reps to actually get that shower of fucks out.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:Doesn't matter a gently caress without an election and enough reps to actually get that shower of fucks out. Yep. Plus FFG are still outpacing SF so ykno... But still I have to be encouraged
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A left-wing coalition might work if anyone can stomach Labour long enough.
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Arquinsiel posted:A left-wing coalition might work if anyone can stomach Labour long enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkY88kvkdvU
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Arquinsiel posted:A left-wing coalition might work if anyone can stomach Labour long enough. But how would you get a left-wing coalition if you had Labour be a part of it?
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The Question IRL posted:But how would you get a left-wing coalition if you had Labour be a part of it? 
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After Alan Kelly's speeches about how "they will go through the middle" it's very obvious what sort of party they are with him in charge.
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The Question IRL posted:After Alan Kelly's speeches about how "they will go through the middle" it's very obvious what sort of party they are with him in charge. Let's just check how well this is working out for Kier's labour again,
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I'm going to guess the Greens are massive shitlibs and/or terfs like the English Greens, yes
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Venomous posted:I'm going to guess the Greens are massive shitlibs and/or terfs like the English Greens, yes Young greens are comrades but the rest of the party is shitlib centrist scum. Terfs isn't as much of a thing here that I've noticed.
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Shitlib centrists is too kind a way to describe Fine Gael on bikes.
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Eco fascist fits quite well then.
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Forgot to say I saw an antivax protest in Blessington. I hate these people so loving much.
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Why would you do anything like that in Blessington?
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gently caress all else to do in Blessington tbf
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Queue going from the entrance of Cork City Hall, past the fire station, and around the Garda station; all going for their booster shots. You love to see it.
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the north is still over 40s only, and here is still over 50s, (with exceptions for vulnerable people/healthcare workers ofc) it's only england itself that's gone to over 18s at walk-ins. as far as I can tell wales isn't doing walk-ins at all. not quite at the state where I'd fly just to get it. oh well. e: could drive through wales and make a day of it I suppose if I get really desperate, it's at least much safer
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I got my 3rd jab while over in the States so looking forward to getting number 4 in January ish. Also Luke O Neill doing the absolute most, turning a positive diagnosis into bragging rights https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vaccinate-the-vulnerable-says-luke-o-neill-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19-1.4753987
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