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Grand Fromage posted:It's endlessly hilarious when leftists are licking China's boots. I have never been anywhere more powerfully libertarian capitalist than China. The US looks like Denmark in comparison. It's incredible. But it says "Communist" right in the name 
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Megillah Gorilla posted:But it says "Communist" right in the name Hmm. Your argument is compelling. (for realposting: it is more complicated, I don't think the communist ideology is bullshit, but the reality of actual life is SuperBonusUltraCapitalism)
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Dec 10, 2021 05:30
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Grand Fromage posted:It's endlessly hilarious when leftists are licking China's boots. I have never been anywhere more powerfully libertarian capitalist than China. The US looks like Denmark in comparison. It's incredible. If capitalism were the one ring, China would be Isildur. Not gonna give it up. my homie dhall posted:hey, can I borrow your phone charger? I'm gonna need to take a poo poo later There's a reason why power bank stations exist all over the cities. Pay a 100 yuan deposit and you get your charger.
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Dec 10, 2021 05:33
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Grand Fromage posted:I don't think the communist ideology is bullshit, but the reality of actual life is SuperBonusUltraCapitalism) Yep. At the top end, in terms of overall government stated goals, it's all communism all the time, and most of them seem to genuinely believe it. At the bottom end, it's a very capitalist experience. As for which one will win out in China in the end? Big shrug.
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Dec 10, 2021 06:12
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Grand Fromage posted:It's endlessly hilarious when leftists are licking China's boots. I have never been anywhere more powerfully libertarian capitalist than China. The US looks like Denmark in comparison. It's incredible.  I probably have this conversation at least once a month irl when the topic of China and the big mighty Communist Party comes up, and I have to emphasize just how much more cutthroat capitalist it is there than pretty much anywhere else, even U$A.
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Dec 10, 2021 06:52
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Forceholy posted:If capitalism were the one ring, China would be Isildur. Not gonna give it up. This is a pretty good analogy. Maybe many in China's leadership are huffing their own farts hard enough to really think this is all part of the unavoidable historical cycle on the path to true real good communism, but once you embrace turbo authoritarian capitalism no one ever gives it up. Why give up wealth and power? It doesn't happen, people just change their justifications and twist their ideology to excuse everything. It's like having a boss who claims to be a socialist. Ok socialist boss, why don't you allow for workplace democracy or pay everyone equally? Oh, because you think your company would fail and it needs your personal total control to succeed? And how you can't pay everyone more because the more profit the company makes the faster it can expand and thus eventually do more good? But one day of course if everyone works super hard and the company becomes the most profitable in the world, socialist boss will do profit sharing and workplace democracy. But until then... any talk of unions is actually anti-worker since the ceo is socialist and you'll be fired on the spot.
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Dec 10, 2021 06:57
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BrigadierSensible posted:Re: toilet paper in China. You haven't lived until you've taken a dump in one of Beijing's public hutong squatter toilets in winter, separated from the elements by a thin plastic sheet and within earshot of someone selling baked sweet potatoes from an oil drum. It's less like making GBS threads and more like becoming a human ice dispenser.
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Dec 10, 2021 07:08
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A friend got ultra food poisoned at some restaurant just before leaving Cambodia a couple of years ago. He got triple shits infected by campylobacter, cryptosporidium and salmonella at the same time. I can only assume he was served raw chicken rinsed in sewer water, partially fried in gutter oil. The doc in back in sweden was pretty  at the test results. He didnt have to be hospitalized but it took like 3 weeks for him to be kinda normal again.
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Dec 10, 2021 09:23
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My partner decided to eat sushi at a buffet in Chengdu. They poo poo blood for three days.
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Dec 10, 2021 11:35
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I got giardia and just puked and shat for 6 weeks. My neighborhood doc couldn't think about/do anything for a not-bacteria. If I had tried a different clinic sooner maybe I could have gotten treatment. E-coli from unwashed vegetables was when I spent half a day sleeping on the bottom of the shower as I expelled various fluids.
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Dec 10, 2021 11:36
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Smeef posted:You haven't lived until you've taken a dump in one of Beijing's public hutong squatter toilets in winter, separated from the elements by a thin plastic sheet and within earshot of someone selling baked sweet potatoes from an oil drum. It's less like making GBS threads and more like becoming a human ice dispenser. Yeah, I remember going to the punk shows at SCHOOL bar, too. I really should go to a couple of more shows before I leave China proper.
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Dec 10, 2021 12:10
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Threadkiller Dog posted:A friend got ultra food poisoned at some restaurant just before leaving Cambodia a couple of years ago. The same thing happened to me, except I was living in Korea at the time so the three doctors I went to said "it's just diarrhea," "you have colitis," and "this is why you shouldn't go to dirty countries like Cambodia." Meanwhile, I had stomach cramps so bad that I couldn't stand up and I got sent home for a week. From a KOREAN school. It was real loving bad.
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Dec 10, 2021 12:52
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The only time I've ever had food poisoning was in Germany of all places, go figure.
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Dec 10, 2021 14:39
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Rental Sting posted:Yeah, and when I first arrived in China in the fall of 2013 and lived there through early 2017 (with one six-month break), I was a bit cockier and looser when it came to expressing myself (within reason, of course). However, when my girlfriend and I went back for a year in 2018-19, the atmosphere felt very different and totally stifling. I kept hearing all these scary stories from foreigners out of Zhuhai, where I had lived during my first China run, was super nervous about slipping up in some way and couldn't wait to get out. Even though I had no palpable reason to be afraid, I breathed a huge sigh of relief when we crossed the border into Hong Kong for the last time. few pages back but just wanted to say ur a good dude and I always felt a gigantic sigh of relief when I landed in Seoul after leaving China for the last time. same as you - had no real reason not to - but was just ready to get out. hope you're well man
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Dec 10, 2021 15:32
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uh, doesn't sound like that one child policy is working out too well!! Have children in our collapsing economy! For the economy and the party!! quote:“An editorial in a Chinese state-run news website has suggested Communist party members are obliged to have three children for the good of the country, as Beijing seeks to address plummeting birthrates,” The Guardian reports. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/10/china-editorial-says-communist-party-members-must-have-three-children Magically after it blew up on Weibo it disappeared
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Dec 10, 2021 18:12
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Yeah there's a huge push to have kids. Probably part of the crackdown on LGBT people, and there are a lot of reports now that vasectomies are becoming hard to get. Abortion's being restricted too. Wonder if they're going to go as far as limiting birth control, which is pretty easy and available there now.
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Dec 10, 2021 18:28
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I know "replacing workforce" etc etc, but aside from the skewed gender ratio, does China still wish to have a smaller population?
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Dec 10, 2021 18:33
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I think so. I know the people do, everybody wishes it was less crowded, can't remember a government statement lately but post-Mao they've always thought the huge population was unmanageable. Problem is the reason why China's population is so big now is the gigantic Mao era baby boom so the massive aging problem is a lot bigger than the gender ratio.
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Dec 10, 2021 18:38
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah there's a huge push to have kids. Probably part of the crackdown on LGBT people, and there are a lot of reports now that vasectomies are becoming hard to get. Abortion's being restricted too. Wonder if they're going to go as far as limiting birth control, which is pretty easy and available there now. Just claim you're Uighur and get sterilized for free.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:14
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Grand Fromage posted:I think so. I know the people do, everybody wishes it was less crowded, can't remember a government statement lately but post-Mao they've always thought the huge population was unmanageable. Problem is the reason why China's population is so big now is the gigantic Mao era baby boom so the massive aging problem is a lot bigger than the gender ratio. A population that size is massively unmanageable, even with Chinese style surveillance. It's simply a matter of time until something drops that causes unrest Of course China hands have probably said this for 40 years but I swear it's different this time!
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Dec 10, 2021 19:19
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Seth Pecksniff posted:A population that size is massively unmanageable, even with Chinese style surveillance. It's simply a matter of time until something drops that causes unrest there's unrest in china all the time. granted its usually locals loving up and Beijing has to come in and fix it, but there have been pretty widespread cases of unrest that force things to change, like hukou reform
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eSports Chaebol posted:there's unrest in china all the time. granted its usually locals loving up and Beijing has to come in and fix it, but there have been pretty widespread cases of unrest that force things to change, like hukou reform What are you talking about? There's no unrest in China. It's a peaceful country where everyone lives in perfect harmony with one another. Please report to your nearest CCP office so we may educate you on how China is prosperous and harmonious.
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McGavin posted:Just claim you're Uighur and get sterilized for free. goddamit lol
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The Great Autismo! posted:few pages back but just wanted to say ur a good dude and I always felt a gigantic sigh of relief when I landed in Seoul after leaving China for the last time. same as you - had no real reason not to - but was just ready to get out. hope you're well man Aw, thanks, man. Yeah, I am doing great. Hope the same goes for you.
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kill the olds jk!
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Upping the birthrate now isn't going to do anything about the demographic problems that are currently occurring(/will be getting worse over the next 10 years or so). What's the aim here?
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Brutal Garcon posted:Upping the birthrate now isn't going to do anything about the demographic problems that are currently occurring(/will be getting worse over the next 10 years or so). What's the aim here? Like a lot of things in China, it's too late to avoid the problem but maybe they can shorten it if they start now? I guess if your choices are try to fix it too late or don't try to fix it at all, might as well try. A bunch of my Chinese friends outside China are paying ridiculous amounts of money to get Sinopharm vaccine boosters instead of the free and vastly superior Pfizer/Moderna ones, just saw a couple posts about it today. Nationalism: not even once.
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Brutal Garcon posted:Upping the birthrate now isn't going to do anything about the demographic problems that are currently occurring(/will be getting worse over the next 10 years or so). What's the aim here? If you're going to have a bad time, better it's 5-15 years than 15-25, right? Edit: one thing I am interested in is whether the Chinese government will take the obvious way out in a decade or so, and significantly encourage immigration of young people, probably from Africa. It would be an easy fix for any diverse country, but while China certainly isn't without accepted diversity, it exists within limits that don't typically include African people (see: Guangzhou stuff). However, if it's that or have srs bsns economic issues... Atopian fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Dec 11, 2021 |
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Grand Fromage posted:A bunch of my Chinese friends outside China are paying ridiculous amounts of money to get Sinopharm vaccine boosters instead of the free and vastly superior Pfizer/Moderna ones, just saw a couple posts about it today. Nationalism: not even once. In a lot of ways it's not even about what's the best vaccine, it's about getting that paper with a stamp so you wont have problems with the bureaucracy (or, fewer problems, there's always problems with the bureaucracy.) And last I knew China doesn't really recognize other vaccines, so having 2 shots of Pfizer is the equivalent of having no shots of anything to the bureaucracy. I got a friend who just hopped around and got both. I don't know how good of an idea that really is, but she has some genuine serious health problems and so I think it's about more than just getting the paper for her. Still, that's a part of it. If you're outside China and don't plan to go in and out of China though, I don't know why you'd really care, but maybe that's what the people you know are concerned about.
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I'd get that, getting dosed with both is fine, but they were specific about paying for Sinopharm because it's Chinese and they don't think foreign vaccines work on Chinese people/foreign vaccines don't work just generally and only China has actual vaccination.
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It's like a lot of Chinese policies: implement it now and deal with the aftermath and details later. Chabuduo, do you know it?
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food posioning chat: all my trips as a kid to china would result in me eventually dying on the toilet and vomiting my guts out then getting force fed tcm that tastes like hot guinness. would be curious to know how many bacterias i was infected with
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Someone tell me if Bing Chilling is a famous meme on China I gotsta know, man
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Just checking that when people lament authoritarian surveillance in China itt, they are doing so from a position of familiarity and understanding with respect to what is happening in the west, right?
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Grand Fromage posted:Like a lot of things in China, it's too late to avoid the problem but maybe they can shorten it if they start now? I guess if your choices are try to fix it too late or don't try to fix it at all, might as well try. Atopian posted:If you're going to have a bad time, better it's 5-15 years than 15-25, right? I'm no economist, so I might be talking out of my arse here, but this is kind of a time-sensitive problem, no? Your baby boom will age out of being alive (and/or the economic transition thingy people like to talk about will have either happened or failed spectacularly)
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Brutal Garcon posted:I'm no economist, so I might be talking out of my arse here, but this is kind of a time-sensitive problem, no? Your baby boom will age out of being alive (and/or the economic transition thingy people like to talk about will have either happened or failed spectacularly) The issue is that the baby boom turn into non-working pensioners right at the point where you have massively increased life expectancy. So welfare costs skyrocket as income falls (or more likely, the rate of increase of income falls).
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Mugsbaloney posted:Just checking that when people lament authoritarian surveillance in China itt, they are doing so from a position of familiarity and understanding with respect to what is happening in the west, right? It's about what you do with the surveillance. I don't get my passport application refused, get barred from intercity travel, mysteriously fail all my job interviews, or indeed get roughed up by the secret police for saying Boris Johnson is an incompetent poo poo.
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Mugsbaloney posted:Just checking that when people lament authoritarian surveillance in China itt, they are doing so from a position of familiarity and understanding with respect to what is happening in the west, right? We lament it because it could well be what we're heading for in our own countries.
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Mugsbaloney posted:Just checking that when people lament authoritarian surveillance in China itt, they are doing so from a position of familiarity and understanding with respect to what is happening in the west, right? lol you really have no clue dude
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Brutal Garcon posted:I'm no economist, so I might be talking out of my arse here, but this is kind of a time-sensitive problem, no? Your baby boom will age out of being alive (and/or the economic transition thingy people like to talk about will have either happened or failed spectacularly) Just asking questions. And those questions always start with "Whattabout?"
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