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"won the right to world leadership" loving lol
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 01:47 |
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# ? May 26, 2024 18:07 |
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 02:40 |
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lol isnt this the ship that has galvanic corrosion problems? you know, the thing the british navy figured out in the 1670s
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 04:21 |
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new username https://twitter.com/Peter_Atwater/status/1468906049948241922 quote:The People’s Bank of China has never been politically independent like a Western central bank, but it has nonetheless enjoyed a special status in the nation’s economic hierarchy. Now, President Xi Jinping’s shake-up of China’s financial sector is stripping that away.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 04:30 |
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now this is just getting avant garde https://twitter.com/AmbassadeChine/status/1469314982424846343
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 06:02 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:now this is just getting avant garde gotta be honest, our propaganda only kinda works because we have so much reach. we can't make bops like this
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 06:12 |
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I mean, they're not wrong, but isn't that just a straight rip off, tune-wise, of the sea-shanty thing that's been going around for like a year now? also lazy writing to have the hook every other line.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 06:39 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:now this is just getting avant garde absolute banger
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 06:43 |
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A Spherical Sponge posted:I mean, they're not wrong, but isn't that just a straight rip off, tune-wise, of the sea-shanty thing that's been going around for like a year now? also lazy writing to have the hook every other line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6dGuQ00HA
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 07:01 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:now this is just getting avant garde yeah gimme that hate amerikkka beat
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 07:04 |
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Antonymous posted:yeah gimme that hate amerikkka beat
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 07:11 |
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Bro Dad posted:lol isnt this the ship that has galvanic corrosion problems? no, that's a different insanely expensive ship, lmao
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 07:26 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmU6B8ifD8 In the directors cut you find out the woman is also a magician This is a whole series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwYu02BTL4s
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 07:42 |
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i like the BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 08:38 on Dec 11, 2021 |
# ? Dec 11, 2021 08:05 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmU6B8ifD8
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 08:26 |
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:Watching these makes me feel like I took a shitload of drugs. This is like the state news equivalent of outsider art. Magician talking to a goat about sectarian differences in Iraq followed by a Wellerman cover. I'm in awe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkao2QlddUc&t=47s
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 08:43 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmU6B8ifD8
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 10:40 |
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remember, this a littoral combat stealth ship built on the very realistic assumption that the millions of Chinese fishing boats will not be able to visually spot it off the coast
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 11:06 |
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this is the assumption on all radar stealth. it makes a little bit of sense for small or night mission aircraft and absolutely nothing else in the age of global satellite coverage not that dumb assumptions ever stopped the MIC from overcharging the gently caress out of people
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 12:07 |
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Palladium posted:remember, this a littoral combat stealth ship built on the very realistic assumption that the millions of Chinese fishing boats will not be able to visually spot it off the coast The Littoral Combat Ships are actually a completely different boondoggle, somehow.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 12:16 |
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This is what happens when you get paid to design hardware everyone knows will never be used seriously except in the opening of a nuclear war
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 12:23 |
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Palladium posted:remember, this a littoral combat stealth ship built on the very realistic assumption that the millions of Chinese fishing boats will not be able to visually spot it off the coast This is the stealth destroyer with stealth that doesn’t work and with ammo that is too expensive to use. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 14:14 on Dec 11, 2021 |
# ? Dec 11, 2021 13:18 |
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Question for the military nerds, do US actually sell price competitive arms in the international market? I assume most of the US arm sales goes like this: The Feds print a lot of extra money; US government gives truck load of "military aid" to a third world country; the ruling elites take a big cut of said aid and turn around and give majority of the aid back to the US MIC to buy overpriced military gears. It's basically a "legal" racket to grease the palms and also keep the MIC/associated senators happy. So my question is, does US actually sells price competitive weapons to the developing world/global south at all? Why would a poor country like Cambodia actually spend their hard earned foreign reserve to buy US weapon? Unless military aid is involved? That's why India buy most of the weapons from Russia and some from Europe and hardly anything from the US. I think India buys carrier gas turbine engine from GE and also C17 plane which basically have their own monopoly niche.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 13:46 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:new username reigning in banklers is literally the best thing any functional government can do holy god drat i hate the notion that bankers should be independent and whatever else bullshit and gently caress this neolib poo poo from wsj
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 14:48 |
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It's standard rote at this point that central banks must be independent, because politicians can't be trusted with national finances. Which I suppose is true if you're a typical ignorant westerner who never got a Marxist education.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 14:50 |
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Palladium posted:remember, this a littoral combat stealth ship built on the very realistic assumption that the millions of Chinese fishing boats will not be able to visually spot it off the coast wait what
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 14:55 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:Question for the military nerds, do US actually sell price competitive arms in the international market? im no military nerd but price competitive? lmao no chance like poo poo most of the poo poo the MIC makes doesnt even work ouside of their supporting network of satellites, ship radar, ground troops, drone feeds, and communication. i forget what the name they gave for it was but yeah
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 14:57 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmU6B8ifD8 drat i need more of that sinomedia because it loving rocks
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 15:10 |
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quote:Full text of tweet: To be clear: I'm posting this source-your-quote because I want to relate the kind of mindset of what the Filipino liberal thinks is a mic drop moment of clarity and smart politics
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 16:05 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:Question for the military nerds, do US actually sell price competitive arms in the international market? I think they're generally price competitive vis a vis equivalent items from other countries, sure. Many things the US makes also don't have competitors with equivalent capabilities, but if you look at e.g. F-35 compared to other aircraft it competes with like Gripen or Rafale, it doesn't seem like the others are significantly cheaper, and they are probably significantly less capable. Countries like South Korea or Canada are generally not getting anything for free from anyone and even on a cost basis it at least makes sense for them to go with American weapons. Yes the JF-17 Thunder is cheaper, but no one is seriously thinking it's equivilant to an F-35. If China or India had access to the full panoply of US equipment you bet they'd buy a huge amount of them. Fun tidbit. During the 1980s US/China honey moon period, Reagan (pbuh) actually authorized the sale of F-14s to China, and even for Grumman to set up Chinese production. http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-06-02/doc-ihcikcew6243341.shtml This would have been the absolute pinnacle of US technology at the time and on another level compared to the Blackhawks and the GE LM2500 ship engines that did eventually make it. Unfortunately, the F-14 eventually proved to be too expensive to maintain even for the US - its running cost were multiple times that of the F/A18 that replaced it and maybe even higher than the F-35, in today's dollars. Exact dollar comparisons are hard but basically running costs were the reason the US retired it even though the planes themselves still had life left. The Chinese, which at the time I think had a per capita GDP on par with Bangladesh or Guatemala at the time, decided to pass on the offer due to budgetary reasons (presumably the entire state would have collapsed like the USSR under the strain of keeping a fleet of F14s operational), but if it had gone just a little differently, the Chinese air force today could have been based on derivatives of the F-14 instead of Sukhois.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 16:13 |
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I would actually contest that considering numerous nations with access to American weaponry are instead choosing Russian/Chinese alternatives. The S 400 is a good example of this. Also the su 27 is pretty comparable to the f-14 and usually there are comparable alternatives to most NATO equipment at this point. The new Su-75 seems to be comparable to the f-35. (Also f-35 sales in particular are often the result of plenty of arm twisting and a lot of nations are buying them without a solid reason. Also, most decent later 4th generation fighters could take out a f-35 if it ever got close to it, it handles like a boat.) Ardennes has issued a correction as of 17:10 on Dec 11, 2021 |
# ? Dec 11, 2021 17:05 |
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I had never heard of F14 rumor. Why would China want a F14 in the 90s? they had no carrier. See flagship fighter is not a good example of comparing weapon cost, because you are either only allowed to buy US planes (NATO, Japan, Korea etc); or you are not allowed to buy (Taiwan); or its too expensive to begin with (global south); or you are not allowed to touch (China/Russia/allies). Now comparing 2nd tier, 3rd tier light fighter, or mid range tanks, I think they are fair comparison since most country can afford to buy them from most vendors. But I am not enough of a Clancy nerd to know this topic.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 17:31 |
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didn’t Iran have f14?
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 17:32 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:I had never heard of F14 rumor. Why would China want a F14 in the 90s? they had no carrier. everyone wanted f14s, they were the hot poo poo around. see iran trying to keep the ones the shah got operational for decades with no spare parts
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 17:48 |
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The drat things had radar so good that Iran was using it for awacs
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 17:49 |
fun trivia about the absolute pettiness of the american empire: iran having F-14s is why there are zero flight articles left in the states; the pentagon demanded that every single museum that had one hollow them out of their avionics and leave them as little more than empty shells while their actual equipment was cut up into little cubes, all to prevent the IRIAF from ever getting replacement parts for their aging fleet
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 18:17 |
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Btw, it was in the 1980s when the F-14 generally was much better than most of the alternatives except perhaps the mig 29, which China didn’t have access to. By the 1990s, the PRC could access Soviet/Russia tech and went down that route (by that point the F-14 had more robust competition.)
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 18:19 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:I had never heard of F14 rumor. Why would China want a F14 in the 90s? they had no carrier. They wouldn't have a carrier now if they weren't already planning for it in the 1990s, and actually they had already bought multiple ex Soviet carriers by the end of the 1990s, one of which they even turned into an operational one.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 18:30 |
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Ardennes posted:I would actually contest that considering numerous nations with access to American weaponry are instead choosing Russian/Chinese alternatives. The S 400 is a good example of this. Don't think the USA has anything comparable to the S-400.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 18:38 |
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# ? May 26, 2024 18:07 |
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Ardennes posted:Btw, it was in the 1980s when the F-14 generally was much better than most of the alternatives except perhaps the mig 29, which China didn’t have access to. By the 1990s, the PRC could access Soviet/Russia tech and went down that route (by that point the F-14 had more robust competition.) The F14 is twice the weight and much bigger than the Mig-29. The Mig-29 might have been equivalent to the F-16 or the original F/A-18 A/B (like what Canada/Finland still uses, not the current E/F which is a different plane). The Su-27 would have been the only other equivalent and the USSR wouldn't even let other Warsaw Pact countries have the Su-27 (only the Mig-29). There was no remote possibility that the Chinese would get that unless the USSR collapsed or something (oops). The F-14 with it's very long range radar and very long range missile is basically what the Chinese are trying to build now with their Sukhois and PL-15, except they would have had it when Deng was still alive.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 18:40 |