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kirbysuperstar posted:I reckon I can wait until Chinese NY for the 552. Taki actually had a good point for once about not relying on people to fix the firmware problems for free and the vendors getting away with it, I'm just so used to that and spoiled by Adam/351Elec. Yeah that is was a really good point and yeah if this thing didn’t have android it would be DOA. I’m happy with the screen they picked though.
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I'm looking for a handheld that can play SNES and PSX games. Would the RP2+ meet my needs? I have a hacked PSP and new 3DS XL so I'm not sure if I would be gaining functionality other than one system that does everything I want.
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The RP2+ will cover you up to the lower end of GameCube and PS2. You can save some money by going for something a little bit less powerful like an RG280, but the 2+ is definitely the best bang for your buck
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flavor.flv posted:The RP2+ will cover you up to the lower end of GameCube and PS2. You can save some money by going for something a little bit less powerful like an RG280, but the 2+ is definitely the best bang for your buck Yeah I would just wait a bit to make sure they’ve ironed out those build issues that cropped up but yeah that’s going to be the best bang for the buck.
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The United States posted:I look forward to seeing some 240fps phone camera videos demonstrating this latency on the RG552 if it is indeed the case Latency in android is not that hard to detect. -Open Super Mario World, in a standalone emu or with run-ahead off -Press 'A' -Pay attention to how long it takes between pressing the button and mario moving upward Another good test is to open Mario 64 and tilt the stick around. I find input latency REALLY noticeable and frustrating with analog controls like that. Your brain might be glossing over it until you actually start paying attention, but it's there, making every game that requires any kind of timing just a that bit harder for you without you realizing why. It does not require slow-motion capturing to identify. I haven't tested it in an actual Android handheld dedicated to emulation so maybe they're doing something about it, maybe that's the reason it's using an old Android version, I don't know. It's too expensive to buy android-only devices just to find out. But given how many people for some reason keep insisting that latency doesn't matter or is "subjective" there aren't many people I'd trust to actually test it. zzMisc fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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 zzMisc posted:Latency in android is not that hard to detect. zzMisc posted:I haven't tested it in an actual Android handheld dedicated to emulation
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I think putting Vita and Switch games at A performance is bit of a laugh considering how bad so many Vita and Switch games run.
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kirbysuperstar posted:I think putting Vita and Switch games at A performance is bit of a laugh considering how bad so many Vita and Switch games run. I’m Russ’s description he explains that the A is for native gameplay. So the Switchs ability to play Switch games is an A. Vita with vita games also an A
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kirbysuperstar posted:I think putting Vita and Switch games at A performance is bit of a laugh considering how bad so many Vita and Switch games run. I disagree with putting the Odin on there as well. Have they even shipped out review units? Valve have at the very least been shipping dev units to people and I have 0 doubts the deck will ship. The Odin on the other hand.... I'm sure it will ship eventually but who knows when that eventually actually is.
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It's pretty funny that the Analogue Pocket will beat the Ayn Rand console to market, considering it all
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A little carnival horse game but it’s the RP2+, Analogue and Playdate and they’re all broken at the starting line.
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The United States posted:And I look forward to seeing some 240fps phone camera videos demonstrating and quantifying this latency instead of people just talking about it Sorry to come off defensive, I thought you were being sarcastic. Often when I bring up input lag it gets dismissed like a non-issue. I would really like to know for sure whether my concerns are justified or not, but the reviewers that have newer Android handhelds in their hands just don't seem interested in testing it. Maybe it actually isn't an issue at all but without reviewers mentioning it I can't know without holding one.
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Honestly I think if it were an issue one of the dudes would have mentioned it. I haven’t seen anything about it so far.
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zzMisc posted:Sorry to come off defensive, I thought you were being sarcastic. Often when I bring up input lag it gets dismissed like a non-issue. Input lag on Android devices has been my issue too, so I think the concern is legit. And you're right that pretty much no reviewer talks about it. I think it's just something that some people are sensitive to and some people are not and thus far the only solution I have found ordering any retro devices that run on Android via Amazon first if possible so I can easily return them. It's really only an issue with 16-bit era and before from my experience. Hopefully newer hardware will be strong enough to use run ahead and get rid of the lag without taking a frame rate hit.
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Why DOES Android have such input lag anyway, is it just because there’s a bunch of overhead code slowing things down or is it something about how apps are made for it
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Hypothetical lag or not, Android is currently the only functional OS on the RG552 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSbll4j_JeQ
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Taki Udon's review of the 552: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSbll4j_JeQ It looks like he did test latency for older systems on Android, and it looked good! In GBA at least. That's great to see. You can kinda see it in the later Wind Waker video, where he presses the stick and link starts moving just a little bit later. I don't think anybody's expecting stellar Gamecube performance out of this thing to begin with, though.
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Android looks ok. The nice screen is cool. It seems to run DS games good so that’s a plus. GameCube and PSP are a bit poo poo though lol
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Yeah, I'm feeling some slight buyer's remorse already, ha. It's not really Anbernic's fault though, I guess? It's just at that screen size, the main things I would want to do over a 351 are run Gamecube, PSP, DS, and PS1. DS and PS1 look decent on Android, but then everything else is held back by its processing power. Then the question comes into play of what the better options are, and they're basically just old phones -- also running Android and potentially newer versions of it as well -- with possibly better screens. At that rate, the only advantage I'd have in keeping the 552 is that it's got the controls built in to its design.
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Taki did mention at the start of the video that the Linux version should be fixed. LODGE NORTH posted:Yeah, I'm feeling some slight buyer's remorse already, ha. I’m kinda at the same point but that ship has sailed because the drat thing shipped so fast lol. The screen seems real nice though.
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The worst part is I already have a MOQI i7s  I'm not even sure how I got it, I know I drat well didn't spend $400 on it, but even on AliExpress it floats around that price. Using Android is really good if you can manage to get through the initial setup hurdles. As my i7s stands now, it boots straight into Pegasus running the gameOS theme, so it functions the same as running Linux would on the RG552, but with the added advantage of me being able to drop back into Android to play something else. That and it's potentially one of the most powerful Android devices with built in controls still. ETA did a video running Gamecube games on what appears to be a normal i7, but he's titled it the i7s, so I'm not completely sure. But in any case, it swims through almost all of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vuUAE0QUII I'm a dumb. Saving grace is that selling this on the Mart shouldn't be all too hard considering whoever buys it won't have to wait for a shipment from China to arrive and it'll essentially be brand new.
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I am totally fine just getting a Steam deck probably for my next handheld. My current 351 Anbernic runs everything fine up until N64 stuff and if I wanna play GameCube my current PC does that more or less ok. Still a bit surprised Anbernic screwed up this bad with their new iteration though.
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The RG552 seems to be what I was worried about from the initial leaks: it's definitely more powerful than the RG351 series, but not to the degree that more systems are consistently playable. PSP, Dreamcast and N64 have less issues but still have enough to not be worth buying the system for, and GameCube / PS2 / Saturn is firmly in "neat to mess around with, but consider it a bonus" territory. Honestly, the RK3326 lineup was about as far as these things were going to be able to go without a significant jump in power.
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A Pack of Kobolds posted:Seems like we talk almost exclusively about handhelds itt, but I have a HK1 Box (aka Makeup Box) on the way that I'm going to use as a console for my living room TV setup. I had previously been using RetroPi with a Raspberry Pi 4 4gb, but this $45 Android TV box should wind up doing a better job. I've got some Xbox 360 controllers from Goodwill and one of the generic usb receivers and I'm ready to loving rock.
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Analogue just announced that they’re opening up preorders again for the Pocket on Tuesday, with a $19 price hike. (Monday is when they’re supposed to start shipping out the first round of preorders, so, uh, we’ll see how that goes) https://twitter.com/analogue/status/1469336147922989061
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Blotto_Otter posted:Analogue just announced that they’re opening up preorders again for the Pocket on Tuesday, with a $19 price hike. (Monday is when they’re supposed to start shipping out the first round of preorders, so, uh, we’ll see how that goes)
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Blotto_Otter posted:Analogue just announced that they’re opening up preorders again for the Pocket on Tuesday, with a $19 price hike. (Monday is when they’re supposed to start shipping out the first round of preorders, so, uh, we’ll see how that goes) Someone stop me from spending $300
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I'm going to order one and have no regrets about it. I kinda want it sooner rather than later though, so part of me is wondering what effect this "it's perpetually in stock" will have on its resale value.
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It's hard to say, but keep in mind they say that they're gonna have waves for the people who order starting Tuesday. https://twitter.com/analogue/status/1469336150255022091?t=hI-yo6gcrW_Bp7VE2N1klw&s=19 Playdate did a similar thing and the people who ordered even a few minutes of orders going live were pushed towards the end of 2022. The chain supply and parts shortages have really hosed with things. Reviews drop Monday morning.
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Smokemonster will probably have a video on the jailbreak in a day or two. Since they're letting developers make their own cores it'll be interesting to see how things go with this one.
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I'm new to the retro handheld scene, but what's the big deal with the Pocket beyond the fact it can play physical cartridges? Like, all the games it can play seem easy to emulate on devices that can also emulate other systems as well.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I'm new to the retro handheld scene, but what's the big deal with the Pocket beyond the fact it can play physical cartridges? Like, all the games it can play seem easy to emulate on devices that can also emulate other systems as well. It's an FPGA based system that recreates the logic and timing of the original hardware so it's seen as a step beyond emulation for a lot of folks.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVVsJ0Hbqg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAoLrbD0LlE CodfishCartographer posted:I'm new to the retro handheld scene, but what's the big deal with the Pocket beyond the fact it can play physical cartridges? Like, all the games it can play seem easy to emulate on devices that can also emulate other systems as well. DR FRASIER KRANG posted:It's an FPGA based system that recreates the logic and timing of the original hardware so it's seen as a step beyond emulation for a lot of folks. Also it has a super high-res screen, far higher than any of these $100~ made in china emulation handhelds. Assepoester fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Dec 11, 2021 |
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CodfishCartographer posted:I'm new to the retro handheld scene, but what's the big deal with the Pocket beyond the fact it can play physical cartridges? Like, all the games it can play seem easy to emulate on devices that can also emulate other systems as well. I'm sure Digital Foundry will have a review up this week, but in the mean time, here's their review of the Analogue Super NT, which should give you a basic idea of how FPGA based hardware emulation differs. The Pocket will basically be a version of this for GameBoy, Color, and Advance.
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And several other handholds plus tg16 with adapters. The other Analogue consoles mostly just do one console. That and they added dev support so it seems likely it will probably support all 16 bit and earlier stuff in short order.
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I said stop me from spending $300, not get my debit card out.
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otter posted:I said stop me from spending $300, not get my debit card out. Think of it this way: you won't get it until 2023 and by then you'll have forgotten why you even wanted it in the first place.
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Russ has his preliminary thoughts out on the RG552 https://youtu.be/daHLELTAn9E
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