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Rynoto posted:Oh yeah, getting up to having the tree planted isn't too hard, it's going on longer once you start getting so wide in the plains/mines/bulwar/escann all at once that things start falling apart with the massive tech differences because there's essentially zero tech spread in TD. The best run I've had was only pushing into Escann far enough for the tree then spreading throughout the entire plains with occasional wars in Cannor/Bulwar but the rivals really start to stack up and once you're 8+ techs behind it starts getting really bad even with centaur cav. Ah - I've been dev pushing institutions and taking out lots of loans to just buy my way to tech parity. You get lots of gold from constant wars so it pretty much pays for itself.
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Aethernet posted:Ah - I've been dev pushing institutions and taking out lots of loans to just buy my way to tech parity. You get lots of gold from constant wars so it pretty much pays for itself. Dev pushing works for the first few but once you're starting to get 2-3k total dev it becomes painful to have to individually push a bunch of provinces up to institutions, even with razing. And the problem only continues to get worse from there.
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The genocide screen in the latest build looks good. It's crazy what they can do with the limited modding tools they have.
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I'm nearing the end of Sun God achievo campaign (as Inca own South America and embrace all institution) and it makes me see why people like Anbennar so much. This region never got proper mission, just some generic ones made when missions were first introduced. And those are more boring than the generic eu4 mission tree. Cuzco had basically 1 special mission (conquer your neighbor and get some cores) and South America in general has a mission for modernizing religion and Sunset Invasion, as in go get some land in Europe. I got land in Europe and it's a trade company. All the missions are done for a long time. I get unique cultural events but those are the same I got in the beginning of the game. No narrative hook exists to highlight the coolness of what's happening. Of course with every country you soon become invincible. But for me it came very early in this game - if you repel initial European invasion and become a proper empire there's nothing they can do. AI is surprisingly good this patch so some cool empires formed in Europe and there are some great wars to be had. It's just that missions were that part of the mechanics that explained to you how you're the coolest country. Trade still flows to Europe, I still see a decision "convert to Christianity" as if I'm being colonized. Several missions explaining how I own the world would go a long way to make this a more complete experience.
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Rynoto posted:Dev pushing works for the first few but once you're starting to get 2-3k total dev it becomes painful to have to individually push a bunch of provinces up to institutions, even with razing. And the problem only continues to get worse from there. I'm not saying you're wrong but I just personally didn't think it was that bad the last time I played. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Dec 11, 2021 |
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Yeah I never push multiple prove for a single institution. I think everything after printing press doesnt require pushing anyway though.
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dev pushing is harder in some places than others, and for some government types than others. hordes have it a bit rough because they have no merchant estate to discount development, but on the plus side one of oirat's many advantages is early access to an excellent capital area for development. razing beijing when you conquer it puts it into a good dev range for pushing renaissance, and there are several coastal farmland trade centers nearby for future institutions. you can get colonialism by just taking exploration and discovering any new world province before 1500 - not tough to do as long as you move in on a coastal manchurian province early and then take out the siberian tribes in kamchatka. you might have to save scum a bit since you'll probably have roughly a 20% chance of stealing it from portugal/spain, but it's a pretty big long-term advantage to spawn colonialism in asia instead of europe, and you really want to conquer central mexico to get treasure fleet income anyway, so... e: i know nothing about anbennar so maybe this advice (broadly) applies and maybe it doesn't
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Any good YouTube videos that I could watch to decide if I should get this game? I really enjoy CK3 but Im interested in something deeper
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blue squares posted:Any good YouTube videos that I could watch to decide if I should get this game? I really enjoy CK3 but Im interested in something deeper I dont have any YouTube recommendations but the key difference is that EU4 is more of a grand strategy game and less of a narrative generator than CK. If you like CK primarily for its characters and their shenanigans, dont expect the same from EU. Its more about deciding who to rival or ally with and which way and how fast to expand.
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Jazerus posted:e: i know nothing about anbennar so maybe this advice (broadly) applies and maybe it doesn't Tugund-Darakh from Anbennar has very large penalties to tech spread well beyond anything in vanilla 
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Wafflecopper posted:I dont have any YouTube recommendations but the key difference is that EU4 is more of a grand strategy game and less of a narrative generator than CK. If you like CK primarily for its characters and their shenanigans, dont expect the same from EU. Its more about deciding who to rival or ally with and which way and how fast to expand. Yeah. Im mostly aware. I played the base game on Gamepass and was pretty overwhelmed, but Im still really curious about the game and investing the time to learn it. But a good video breakdown of why it i fun would be good
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I have keys for EU4 and a decent number of (older) DLCs clogging up my key library on Humble Bundle that would be free to an aspiring player.
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Anno posted:I have keys for EU4 and a decent number of (older) DLCs clogging up my key library on Humble Bundle that would be free to an aspiring player. I would love that! I dont have PMs but my email is redacted blue squares fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Dec 12, 2021 |
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I sent the key for the base game. Let me know if I got the right email/if it redeems properly and I can send the DLCs.
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Anno posted:I sent the key for the base game. Let me know if I got the right email/if it redeems properly and I can send the DLCs. All good. Im quite excited! Thank you!
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blue squares posted:Yeah. Im mostly aware. I played the base game on Gamepass and was pretty overwhelmed, but Im still really curious about the game and investing the time to learn it. But a good video breakdown of why it i fun would be good
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blue squares posted:Any good YouTube videos that I could watch to decide if I should get this game? I really enjoy CK3 but I’m interested in something deeper The Grandest Lan is happening this weekend on the Paradox Twitch channel if you want to watch some. Before covid it was a big Lan party held in a castle with a lot of RP. This year its virtual though, still a lot of fun though.
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Rynoto posted:Tugund-Darakh from Anbennar has very large penalties to tech spread well beyond anything in vanilla Quoting myself but whatever.  Just for those that haven't tried T-D.
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Wafflecopper posted:I think the basic adventurer tree is a more or less obsolete generic tree. IIRC it was in before a lot of the formables in the region existed/got their own mission trees, so you have those vestigial missions for after you form a country that you never get a chance to actually do. it exists for escanni formables that don't have their own mission trees yet, which there are a few of but which nobody is gonna play these days because there are so many options that do have mission trees if you're absolutely gagging to play like, Farranean or whatever the gently caress then, there you go
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Yeah, so, more or less obsolete
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Rynoto posted:Quoting myself but whatever. I'm still in the early stages of this run (pre-1500) so the tech is still fine but ugh the continual unrest is real annoying. I should probably go humanitarian but religious seems way more on theme. On my 2nd try because woah the disaster for not conquering all the orc provinces before the flip is nasty
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blue squares posted:Any good YouTube videos that I could watch to decide if I should get this game? I really enjoy CK3 but Im interested in something deeper having spent several hundred hours watchng youtube videos of eu4 players (and not memey bullshit) im pretty confident that zlewikk is the most informed/skilled player that still makes new content from current patches/expacs the rest of them will teach you some noob poo poo
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Firebatgyro posted:I'm still in the early stages of this run (pre-1500) so the tech is still fine but ugh the continual unrest is real annoying. I should probably go humanitarian but religious seems way more on theme. Yeah, Humanist works really well, although I actually took both as once you expand to the north there's a lot of provinces to convert. I actually vassalised a lot of the elves and fed them Green Orc provinces so I could more readily avoid the disaster. Delays getting claims to the north via the mission tree, but you can just fabricate and keep expanding anyway.
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If you're fast with Blackmoon you can conquer every Orc province in the Deepwoods before the TD event fires and get them all to convert to Emerald. Then conquer all the elves in one hell war with the buffs.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:The game is extremely deep on menus and earning different currencies and the best way is to learn by doing. By this, you mean ducats, manpower, administrative power, etc., not that there are different monetary currencies, right?
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blue squares posted:By this, you mean ducats, manpower, administrative power, etc., not that there are different monetary currencies, right? I'm not Muenster but that's correct. If anything actual currency is the least important one. It's almost always worth going into debt if it gets you more soldiers, monarch points, or development. Mr. Grinch posted:having spent several hundred hours watchng youtube videos of eu4 players (and not memey bullshit) im pretty confident that zlewikk is the most informed/skilled player that still makes new content from current patches/expacs Ok zlewikk definitely knows his poo poo but he also absolutely loves memey bullshit. Speaking of, I know goons are all olds who hate the idea of twitch, but you can also there any time get a good intro to this ancient game's archaic menus and playstyle.Zlewikk is great, JustBlazin, absoluteHabibi, bewaretheblobber, JibblyJam, Radio Res, and Sayuza1444 are also people I'd recommend. They're chill, play good music, not-nazis, generally good chats, and pull small enough viewer counts that if you have a question, they will actually see and respond to it if another chatter doesn't. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Dec 12, 2021 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
Thanks for the suggestion!
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I can't even imagine sitting watching someone else play a mapgame; it just sounds like the most boring poo poo.
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On YouTube, AlzaboHD is very good for guides and although he's recently developed a YouTuber Personality, it's not unbearable.
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Ironic terrible puns are still terrible. I can't handle him sinc he he made puns his thing. Edit: but really I shouldn't be judgemental about it. He's much milder than most youtubers and streamers, and I quite liked him before he went overboard with punitive puns. His videos are also short and straight to the point. ilitarist fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Dec 12, 2021 |
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I like Ludi et Historia for country-specific guides but his personality can be quite grating. I just tune out all the "youtuberisms", tho at least he doesn't seem to be a racist/white nationalist. Fully prepared to get a milkshake duck by the end of the page, mind.
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Rynoto posted:I can't even imagine sitting watching someone else play a mapgame; it just sounds like the most boring poo poo. You don't sit down and stare at streams like you're watching a film. You shitpost at your friends in chat and watch a game you aren't sure about about buying or a cheevo you can't do, if you aren't leaving it on in the background while you sweep. It's incredibly bizarre to me that anyone posting on our incredibly dead and gay forum in 2021 still doesn't get why twitch can be fun. It's the same! Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Dec 12, 2021 |
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canepazzo posted:I like Ludi et Historia for country-specific guides but his personality can be quite grating. I just tune out all the "youtuberisms", tho at least he doesn't seem to be a racist/white nationalist. Fully prepared to get a milkshake duck by the end of the page, mind. I guess this guy has started to do things on his own, but I was watching him when he was just starting out, and I remember thinking how awful his guides were. Usually they were copy and pasted from guides made months/years ago so all of the info was out of date and if you told him that in the comments he would just be like "No this works on the current patch!!" even though it clearly didn't, and even if it did then it was still missing so much important info. AlazboHD ended up calling him out for blatant plagiarism which caused some drama in the GSG Youtube community. Also his thumbnails suck.
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Been sitting on this game for years and finally decided to sit down and learn how to play it... how do I stop
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trapped mouse posted:I guess this guy has started to do things on his own, but I was watching him when he was just starting out, and I remember thinking how awful his guides were. Usually they were copy and pasted from guides made months/years ago so all of the info was out of date and if you told him that in the comments he would just be like "No this works on the current patch!!" even though it clearly didn't, and even if it did then it was still missing so much important info. AlazboHD ended up calling him out for blatant plagiarism which caused some drama in the GSG Youtube community. ludi is one of the creators i had in mind when i wrote "the rest will teach you noob poo poo" hes not great at the game mechanically and its not that impressive to me to make "country guides" for single player. anyone can follow a mission tree. (also red hawk is just better at single player guides imo without having a poo poo personality) and yeah i know zlewikk likes to cut in his quick little thanos references, i meant memey eu4 videos like the ones where they say nothing and you have a 10 minute contextless mashup of zoom in shots on losing battles while an indian man says oh no no no over and over sorry i just really hate zoomer meme bullshit on yt especially when it comes to an information firehose game like eu4. meme compilation poo poo would make more sense paired with fps or something anyone can understand with no context
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trapped mouse posted:I guess this guy has started to do things on his own, but I was watching him when he was just starting out, and I remember thinking how awful his guides were. Usually they were copy and pasted from guides made months/years ago so all of the info was out of date and if you told him that in the comments he would just be like "No this works on the current patch!!" even though it clearly didn't, and even if it did then it was still missing so much important info. AlazboHD ended up calling him out for blatant plagiarism which caused some drama in the GSG Youtube community. He definitely doesn't react well to people disagreeing with him now either. He recently made a video about getting 1914 German borders in 1510 or whatever, and replied to comments pointing out they weren't actually the 1914 borders (I think he was missing one province, and had one extra) with the autistic screeching meme. Also he says "ave legionnaire" at the start of every video. Not sure what's up with that.
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ilitarist posted:Ironic terrible puns are still terrible. I can't handle him sinc he he made puns his thing. Terrible puns are the best thing, so there.
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I fear that iSorrowproductions has some skeletons in his closet, but he's very nu-Youtubery without being completely intolerable, to me. He does do HoI4 primarily, but used to do a lot more Vicky2 and EU4.
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blue squares posted:Any good YouTube videos that I could watch to decide if I should get this game? I really enjoy CK3 but Im interested in something deeper The Arumba teachs FilthyRobot series is what got me into the game, with a caveat that it is comically out of date. Everything they eventually do with estates is flat out not in the game anymore, but the basics of diplomacy and war actually haven't changed too much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-9ZE9UZUF0
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