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Grip it and rip it posted:lol great work guys. Lets create an incentive for command to question whether defensive strikes are actually defensive. That's going to end well Well, it's right there in the name. "Department of Defense."
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Wasabi the J posted:I'm sorry for ever participating in this madness I have this feeling a lot 
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Icon Of Sin posted:I have this feeling a lot I take comfort in never being particularly good at officering but getting paid the same as the hard chargers.
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Worst I ever did was sing out of tune and maybe showered a little too long, but my job facilitated so much.Inspector Hound posted:https://twitter.com/Alan_Allport/status/1468972441846390784?t=kJ7kMiGpx4XZCSSLcmt3IA&s=19 holy poo poo
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Wasabi the J posted:I'm sorry for ever participating in this madness I feel the same way, but I can find some limited cold comfort in the fact that because of me, people went home. Because of me, a small group of unknown numbers went home alive, and as whole as I could manage. I was never mean for the sake of mean. I never viewed force as my first option. I never hurt or killed people that didn't push my decision tree left. It doesn't absolve me of gently caress all, and it doesn't change the horror and moral injuries war gives away like ribbons at the county fair, but at least any blood on my hands came from being a god damned professional, and any lasting pain is because I took the hit. That's what a professional does.
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When the choice is "live and die in poverty the same way about 1/3 of my high school graduating class has already" or get the GI Bill, well, not really much of a choice. Anyone who wants to criticize me and others like me can pony up the ~$60k tuition that was the only thing that has allowed me to stay employed somewhere outside of meth labs or the local Dollar General in the shithole Pennsultucky area I grew up in. The few people from home that I grew up with that I still want talk to, and are still alive/out of jail, say on the regular things have not gotten better.
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bird food bathtub posted:When the choice is "live and die in poverty the same way about 1/3 of my high school graduating class has already" or get the GI Bill, well, not really much of a choice. Anyone who wants to criticize me and others like me can pony up the ~$60k tuition that was the only thing that has allowed me to stay employed somewhere outside of meth labs or the local Dollar General in the shithole Pennsultucky area I grew up in. The few people from home that I grew up with that I still want talk to, and are still alive/out of jail, say on the regular things have not gotten better. My choices were pretty much military or heroin- I get that. The only people from my group of friends in my youth who escaped the Dundalk Doldrums were people who enlisted. My buddy John? He did it mostly smart- picked a job with civilian ties, clearance, and contractor positions. Did 3 or 4 years stationed in England, tooled around Europe on his free time. Got out with some hearing damage, and a high 5 figure contracting job he parlayed (along with that GI Bill) to a 6 figure position. Meanwhile, I did the mostly dumb route. I tried to use the Infantry as a method of suicide, failed repeatedly, and got to be an assistant ride operator on Uncle Sam' Mesopotamian Misadventure, collected a bit of grenade glitter, TBI, and the inability to sleep without drugs. Individual experience may vary. The Machine requires poverty and children. How else do you expect us to grind for Halliburton to clear another 40 billion next year- the rich people enlisting? The funniest bit to me was having several Vietnam Vets, most with real time in the poo poo, tell me not to do it. I'm going to paraphrase one- "You are a stupid loving kid right now, and you want to fight. But you are smart enough that you will be propping up this bar at 30, instead of 60 like us. It hasn't changed. I can't talk you out, but I hope I can talk some sense." (Spoiler Alert- didn't take) I'm not terribly conspiracy minded, but in the last few weeks I've a heard 2 or 3 versions of the government (in one version, pushed by DoD) purposely keeping people down, denying healthcare and education to ensure we always have cannon fodder. It fits. Same reason why the DoD doesn't want 'professional' soldiers- they want institutionalized soldiers.
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Institutionalization gets you an average product, investing in professionals raises the cost, and that's money that contractors could be bilking instead. Also capitalism loves it some bodies. Elon was just tweeting last week about how people need to be having more kids. I sincerely hope the next big announcement from spacex is the board of executives saying they've fired Elon off to Mars, but it'll just be something lame like trapping ourselves in with more satellites to mis-identify as UFOs when they burn into the atmosphere 30 years from now. And the optimism of being saved by an advanced alien society will slip even closer to the brink of extinction.
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bulletsponge13 posted:My choices were pretty much military or heroin- I get that. The only people from my group of friends in my youth who escaped the Dundalk Doldrums were people who enlisted. My buddy John? He did it mostly smart- picked a job with civilian ties, clearance, and contractor positions. Did 3 or 4 years stationed in England, tooled around Europe on his free time. Got out with some hearing damage, and a high 5 figure contracting job he parlayed (along with that GI Bill) to a 6 figure position. I can say from a non-US perspective your story is really familiar, for various reasons I know a lot of ex-service people and it's a common story. In the UK, because I'm basically scum, I used to spend a lot of time sitting and drinking with our homeless - they're like (in my city) 90% ex-british army. Took in, spat out, broken in the head and on the streets. Nobody gives a poo poo. It's one of the reasons I hang around here.
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bulletsponge13 posted:The Machine requires poverty and children. How else do you expect us to grind for Halliburton to clear another 40 billion next year- the rich people enlisting? The machine requires children, but its the middle class that are the backbone of recruiting. 20 plus years of post-9/11 pro-war/military propaganda has produced an absolutely incredible amount of people who are true believers in America and the military.
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None of them thought "hey instead of debasing ourselves, why don't we all just lift the carpet and haul it off the ice and split everything even?"
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Defenestrategy posted:None of them thought "hey instead of debasing ourselves, why don't we all just lift the carpet and haul it off the ice and split everything even?" There's one in every office. It's a reasonable assumption that 90% of teachers who were offered this "opportunity" told the principal or other administrator to shove it.
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What's that? You didn't like Squid Game because it was unrealistic social commentary?
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Institutionalization gets you an average product, investing in professionals raises the cost, and that's money that contractors could be bilking instead. Aliens used to visit earth but now they're all issued travel warnings in big red capital letters
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That Works posted:What's that? You didn't like Squid Game because it was unrealistic social commentary? Worse. They liked it because it was a commentary on communism (a real take)
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The only use humans would have for aliens is as an area denial weapon because wherever we are we will loving destroy as fast as possible
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maffew buildings posted:The only use humans would have for aliens is as an area denial weapon because wherever we are we will loving destroy as fast as possible I think you meant it the other way around. We're the "black goo" that destroys worlds. The ultimate biological weapon.
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bulletsponge13 posted:the Dundalk Doldrums But hey, at least those golden [poo poo] tits were pretty funny to look at sometimes.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I think you meant it the other way around. We're the "black goo" that destroys worlds. Yeah that I can't do brain thoughts. maffew buildings fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Dec 12, 2021 |
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Untagged posted:But hey, at least those golden [poo poo] tits were pretty funny to look at sometimes. I don't know who owns them this year; 98 rock used to have an annual competition to see who had to claim it- Essex or Dundalk. Don't know if they still do. Proud Christian Mom posted:The machine requires children, but its the middle class that are the backbone of recruiting. 20 plus years of post-9/11 pro-war/military propaganda has produced an absolutely incredible amount of people who are true believers in America and the military. I never realized how efficient the Bush Propaganda was until the fall of AFG. Seeing people not only old enough, but smart enough and involved enough, claiming the Taliban were responsible for 9/11. bulletsponge13 fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Dec 13, 2021 |
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It's something else when both the air force bombers and senior CIA officials think you are too warcrime happy with your bombing strikes.
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PeterCat posted:Well, it's right there in the name. "Department of Defense." Everyone on both sides of the aisle should be happy to restore the name “Department of War”.
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Platystemon posted:Everyone on both sides of the aisle should be happy to restore the name “Department of War”. "The War Department" was traditional. Wasn't the DoD renamed the same year that 1984 came out? Or pretty close to it?
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PeterCat posted:"The War Department" was traditional. The year before, yes. War Department and Navy Department were merged.
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Department of Peacetime Expenditures. DoPEs for short.
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War, Peace, I'm the Guy with the Gun Department
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The Bubblegum Department has run into major suppy shortages and so we'll have to assign operations to its mission partner,
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Russia be different Russia explosion: Teen detonates device at Orthodox convent school quote:A Russian teenager has detonated an explosive device at an Orthodox school near a convent outside Moscow, injuring a number of people.
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CommieGIR posted:'Penis Drawing Department' doesn't have the same ring. Department of Dongs don’t even need to change the acronym
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Tiny Timbs posted:The Bubblegum Department has run into major suppy shortages and so we'll have to assign operations to its mission partner, On the other hand, a department designed around using power armor and military equipment to combat boomers...
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Bored As gently caress posted:https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1470408570588041216?t=2R0plwkOzGcNDz9uMEsK_g&s=19 Yes, but gas prices.
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The strike cell article is important. In these forums, a lot of times you'll see former soldiers/marines/etc talking about how cops can pull poo poo they couldn't have as a member of the military. Individual cops might be able to pull individual misconduct, yes, but the machine built to enable dodgy targeting can have effects that reach farther than any individual mil member, save a truly dedicated murderer like Robert Bales, could ever achieve.
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Could someone please, PLEASE, copy and paste the strike cell article in here? I’m phone bound and can’t get around the pay-wall. You’ll gain my eternal gratitude.
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