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CommieGIR posted:Also, new climate denial strategy: Conservatives want to outlaw 'Woke Capitalism' that discriminates against fossil fuels Not new here in Australia. Coal fanatics in the government and lobby groups want the taxpayer to be a "lender of last resort" for fossil fuels. Occasionally they try to push for "clean coal" bullshit. The biggest coal spruikers are in the party that is supposedly free market but is addicted to ideological intervention. "Let the free hand of the market decide" *banks refuse to finance poor investments in fossil fuels* "....no. Not like that."
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Saukkis posted:Life Cycle Assessment of Electricity Generation Options - UNITED NATIONS ECONOMIC COMMISSION FOR EUROPE It's fun to read these reports because coal just tops basically all metrics of bad. Greenhouse gases? Check! Water use? Check! Human toxicity? Check! Ionizing radiation? Check! Even for land usage it is only the second worst after solar.
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Zudgemud posted:Even for land usage it is only the second worst after solar. Does this include all the infrastructure to keep a coal plant running, like a coal mine? I'm never sure how they measure that.
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Monaghan posted:Does this include all the infrastructure to keep a coal plant running, like a coal mine? I'm never sure how they measure that. If you're strip mining half of East Germany or lopping off hilltops, I would expect coal to be extremely bad. If you're operating a mineshaft, probably less bad though the latter's impact is probably underestimated since we generally fail to give a gently caress about any underground ecosystems that David Attenborough's camera team can't squeeze into. For solar and similarly for wind the land use is disputed based on whether you count the total area within a solar/wind farm or just the cross section of the stilts holding up the panels and turbines. As a non-specialist ecological guesstimate I'd say that a wind farm's impact on the area inbetween the stilts is probably moderately bad but not ridiculously so since you're going to exclude some key larger species + generate narrow but heavy impact on some specific birds and bats while retaining many smaller species. A solar farm is terrible because it's basically a parking lot with some lawn. For that matter, the unbuilt area within the fence around a nuclear power plant is probably also going to lose key larger species but avoid the other impacts of wind.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Raenir Salazar posted:Could you build a solar farm on top of like a hydroponics-esque green house? Not at scale without introducing new problems that need solving or inefficiency that defeats the purpose.
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Pander posted:Not at scale without introducing new problems that need solving or inefficiency that defeats the purpose. It seems like with the right planning, agrivoltaics does introduce a mutually benefit feedback cycle; https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-019-0364-5 Evaporative cooling from plants below reduces panel temperature - increasing efficiency, panel shade reduces the amount of burn-out and requirements for irrigation, plants are sheltered and more productive as a result.
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Solar and wind are relatively low impact on grazing land in Australia, but that’s probably because the grazing alone would do pretty much the same amount of damage. Farmers love wind turbines because they get regular income during drought years and sheep/cattle graze right up to the base of them. Less common, but I’ve seen similar press about solar with grazing land. Although the clearing of land for construction of wind farms is getting airplay right now: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-12/queensland-wind-farms-clearing-bushland/100683198
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Saukkis posted:Life Cycle Assessment of Electricity Generation Options - UNITED NATIONS ECONOMIC COMMISSION FOR EUROPE Nuclear's coming of pretty well on most scores unless I am missing somthing.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Nuclear's coming of pretty well on most scores unless I am missing somthing. Yeah for the most part Nuclear is getting some pretty high scores, largely because the plants last longer, emit less overall lifetime emissions, and tend to be incredibly cheap to operate once they are completed. That's before we get to energy density and safety being a higher concern therefore they tend to be safer overall.
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Europe better hope for a warm winter https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1472553090024984580?s=20
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah for the most part Nuclear is getting some pretty high scores, largely because the plants last longer, emit less overall lifetime emissions, and tend to be incredibly cheap to operate once they are completed. That's before we get to energy density and safety being a higher concern therefore they tend to be safer overall. Yeah Nuclear cost prohibitive factor is financing which uh, is not a real cost.
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Hope the Euro winter energy crisis spawns a bigger than ever push for renewables in those markets.
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Grouchio posted:Hope the Euro winter energy crisis spawns a bigger than ever push for renewables in those markets. It will on account of rendering current investments unfathomably profitable.
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I guess it was too much to hope for that things would get better. Wood boiler purchase next
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Grouchio posted:Hope the Euro winter energy crisis spawns a bigger than ever push for renewables in those markets. No, everyois blaming renewables for these prices
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MomJeans420 posted:Europe better hope for a warm winter How is the price determined? Is it a supply/demand thing? Would Germany stopping being idiots and turning their nuclear plants back even help?
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MiddleOne posted:Yeah Nuclear cost prohibitive factor is financing which uh, is not a real cost. The cost of financing is effectively the opportunity cost of allocating capital to a nuke rather than elsewhere modified by expected returns against risk. This is extremely real.
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Aethernet posted:The cost of financing is effectively the opportunity cost of allocating capital to a nuke rather than elsewhere modified by expected returns against risk. This is extremely real.
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Aethernet posted:The cost of financing is effectively the opportunity cost of allocating capital to a nuke rather than elsewhere modified by expected returns against risk. This is extremely real. Again, if the goal is to fight climate change: We gotta stop pretending there needs to be a profit motive. Because otherwise we are hosed.
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CommieGIR posted:Again, if the goal is to fight climate change: We gotta stop pretending there needs to be a profit motive. Because otherwise we are hosed. Again, opportunity costs exist even in the utter absence of profit motive.
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evil_bunnY posted:Look at state borrowing rates for a laugh Yes, Governments should take advantage of historically low interest rates to invest in more infrastructure than they are at present. But if you treat this pool of capital as unlimited, those interest rates will quickly rise.
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Phanatic posted:Again, opportunity costs exist even in the utter absence of profit motive. Also this.
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CommieGIR posted:Again, if the goal is to fight climate change: We gotta If people intend to take the climate crisis seriously, they need to put it higher on the priority list than ending capitalism. Because if we're going to wait for the Grand Socialist Revolution before investing in critical green technology, then it's never going to happen. The problem is too serious to attach a bunch of political requirements to it that make it even more difficult to achieve. The advances in clean energy over the last two decades have occurred because the technology became more affordable and could leverage the existing system, rather than seeking to overturn it. Skyrocketing fossil fuel prices are a good thing, and imposing carbon taxes on top of them is also necessary, because it showcases the clear economic advantages of clean energy generation like nuclear, wind, solar, hydro, and thermal that can thrive in that economic environment. France is actively encouraging this sort of green renaissance, by out-competing Russian gas and still charging Germany and other European states through the nose. That money not only funds the French investment in nuclear power that Macron is championing, but has given German political parties pause for thought about their own commitment to green technology.
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Phanatic posted:Again, opportunity costs exist even in the utter absence of profit motive. ... as in time to going online.
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Phanatic posted:Again, opportunity costs exist even in the utter absence of profit motive. Given the general pattern of public underinvestment I don't give a gently caress. We don't live in a world where we have to choose between public investment in building train tracks, nuclear reactors, or more solar panels because there's literally no spare production capacity or capital available. We live in a world where we are doing gently caress all.
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Phanatic posted:Again, opportunity costs exist even in the utter absence of profit motive. Sure, but it's the opportunity cost of planners, nuclear engineers and boatloads of concrete. Money is not a real restrictive factor at all, read up on how government financing works. Capital cost is never the restrictive factor for government investments in the developed world. On the contrary, wind power has real limitations as even with production capacity skyrocketing every year there's still so much pent-up demand in the system that money doesn't help.
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Olkiluoto 3 is active!  Not yet producing power for the grid, that'll happen in february. https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10010571 Didn't find an english source for it. OL3 will stand for 15% of finnish electricity generation.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Olkiluoto 3 is active! Here's an article in English on it. 
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His Divine Shadow posted:Olkiluoto 3 is active! Here: https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/europes-biggest-nuclear-reactor-receives-permission-to-start-tests/
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That article only seemed to say they had gotten approval, but they're beyond that stage now, the reactor is actively fissioning material now, actual electrical production will start in february 2022 however.
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The Social Democrat's Verdict on Nuclear: The Phase-Out is Finalquote:Germany will pull the plug on three of its last six nuclear power stations on Friday, another step towards completing its withdrawal from nuclear power as it turns its focus to renewables. The government decided to speed up its phasing out of nuclear power following Japan's Fukushima reactor meltdown in 2011 when an earthquake and tsunami destroyed the coastal plant in the world's worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl 25 years earlier.
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Grouchio posted:The Social Democrat's Verdict on Nuclear: The Phase-Out is Final And they are burning more coal and gas to make up the difference. And will likely miss their climate goals for the next few years. Ironically, its driving Japan and others to do the exact opposite.
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A fun trade war with Russia would probably reverse that real quick.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:A fun trade war with Russia would probably reverse that real quick. I mean if Germany was going to do anything in response to Russian aggression as far as energy, they would've already done so. They are fully hooked.
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CommieGIR posted:I mean if Germany was going to do anything in response to Russian aggression as far as energy, they would've already done so. They are fully hooked. Germany doesn't get to decide this unilaterally.
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