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“Up yours, children!” That’s a good quote.
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Tanzarian definitely has some excellent bits. It's just the overall retconning that makes it sour. Like, the very character of Skinner as an absurd lawful good tripping into derangement no longer makes sense given that background. It's like if you came out with, "Actually, Norman Bates had a healthy relationship with a loving family. He just bonked his head and that's why he's like that." You loving what?
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Dec 14, 2021 01:00
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i would have absolutely no issue with the tanzarian episode if in a way later episode they hadnt tried to lampshade it with him calling out a retcon and lisa smugly saying whatever you say principal tanzarian
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Dec 14, 2021 01:01
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Sid Vicious posted:i would have absolutely no issue with the tanzarian episode if in a way later episode they hadnt tried to lampshade it with him calling out a retcon and lisa smugly saying whatever you say principal tanzarian i remember that. she's risking a penalty of torture for that barb!
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Dec 14, 2021 01:20
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TengenNewsEditor posted:it's nauseatingly punctilious, perfect grimes affectation
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Garrand posted:My hot take is the tanzarian episode is better than the grimes episode my hot take is both those episodes are funny all around Das Boo posted:Tanzarian definitely has some excellent bits. It's just the overall retconning that makes it sour. Like, the very character of Skinner as an absurd lawful good tripping into derangement no longer makes sense given that background. yeah, pretty much my thoughts as well
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Dec 14, 2021 01:21
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Tree Goat posted:i remember that. she's risking a penalty of torture for that barb! the torture line was something i was able to appreciate watching the episode many years later. it's another great example of a joke that has layers.
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Dec 14, 2021 01:59
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You Are A Elf posted:“Up yours, children!” This one still gets some mileage out of me
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Dec 14, 2021 02:02
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Das Boo posted:Tanzarian definitely has some excellent bits. It's just the overall retconning that makes it sour. Like, the very character of Skinner as an absurd lawful good tripping into derangement no longer makes sense given that background. Yeah it’s a good ep, but feels like they chickened out at the end with the judge making a proclamation. It’s still a good line but I prefer Grimes being lowered into the ground. Super grim but they stuck with their theme until the end.
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Dec 14, 2021 02:05
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mycophobia posted:homer's enemy is my favorite episode Hot stuff comin' through Mr Interweb posted:my hot take is both those episodes are funny all around Can I see your copy of Swank, Armin?
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Dec 14, 2021 02:22
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Hot stuff comin' through all you'll talking about this this are gonna be tortured
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Dec 14, 2021 03:06
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Das Boo posted:Tanzarian definitely has some excellent bits. It's just the overall retconning that makes it sour. Like, the very character of Skinner as an absurd lawful good tripping into derangement no longer makes sense given that background. Speaking of Bates, when did we first see Mrs. Skinner? I seem to recall the series played up the Bates parallels for at least a few seasons before we finally saw her and that yes, there is in fact a Mother. Or am i misremembering?
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Dec 14, 2021 03:17
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Speaking of Bates, when did we first see Mrs. Skinner? I seem to recall the series played up the Bates parallels for at least a few seasons before we finally saw her and that yes, there is in fact a Mother. Or am i misremembering? she was in the beginning of the season 1 episode where bart goes to france
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Junk posted:she was in the beginning of the season 1 episode where bart goes to france episode 1 was bart gets an F
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Funny thing about Norman Bates is, they actually did retcon his relationship with his mother in Psycho 2. At the end, after everybody's done trying to gaslight him and put him back away, a side character named Emma comes to the Bates house to tell Norman that she was his real mother, and that Norma Bates--the one he killed and impersonated--was actually her sister. He immediately whacks Emma in the head with a shovel and she takes Mother's place. Then in the next movie it turns out Norma was his real mother after all and Emma was a deranged aunt. I was never a fan of The Principal and the Pauper, either.
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Keromaru5 posted:Funny thing about Norman Bates is, they actually did retcon his relationship with his mother in Psycho 2. At the end, after everybody's done trying to gaslight him and put him back away, a side character named Emma comes to the Bates house to tell Norman that she was his real mother, and that Norma Bates--the one he killed and impersonated--was actually her sister. He immediately whacks Emma in the head with a shovel and she takes Mother's place. Then in the next movie it turns out Norma was his real mother after all and Emma was a deranged aunt. no one was we don't speak of it under penalty of torture
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I also thought Homer's Enemy has a weird meta-tone that doesn't work very well, and it's an extremely good episode in spite of that, not because of it. The other poster was right in that making him intentionally sympathetic was a mistake. Some people have suggested the episode was spawned as a response to viewers trying to rationalize Springfield like they do the real world. If the idea was to try to take a Simpsons viewer and put them in the universe and then basically show tem how insane they would go, I don't think a mild version of Funny Games is really all that great of a premise if so.
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AHH F/UGH posted:I also thought Homer's Enemy has a weird meta-tone that doesn't work very well, and it's an extremely good episode in spite of that, not because of it. The other poster was right in that making him intentionally sympathetic was a mistake. It was obviously a meta joke. Frank Grimes lost his poo poo when he saw how Homer lived. And for good reason. "Have you seen my Grammy" You live in a Castle and eat Steak?
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Dec 14, 2021 06:02
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I remember thinking the grimes episode was really funny as a kid but it was also very hard to watch because Grimey (as he liked to be called) was very transparently the good character of that episode and he gets relentlessly poo poo on
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Dec 14, 2021 06:06
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its just funny to give homer a straight man for an episode and then kill him
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Dec 14, 2021 06:07
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abigserve posted:I remember thinking the grimes episode was really funny as a kid but it was also very hard to watch because Grimey (as he liked to be called) was very transparently the good character of that episode and he gets relentlessly poo poo on change the channel Marge
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Dec 14, 2021 06:07
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Just watched S33E08 which is my first episode since maybe Season 24 and Marge sure became Lunch Lady Doris e: voice wise i mean.
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Dec 14, 2021 06:12
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unlimited shrimp posted:Just watched S33E08 which is my first episode since maybe Season 24 and Marge sure became Lunch Lady Doris My dude, stop watching new episodes.
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Dec 14, 2021 06:18
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:You live in a Castle and eat Steak? It was *sniff sniff* LOBSTERS!! For dinner!! I guess I'm just saying, the tone of that episode always felt off to me, it always seemed a bit antagonistic to the viewer which is something that show like The Simpsons doesn't really need to do, and if you're introspective enough while watching it, doesn't (conversely) convey any sympathy to the rest of the characters like a lot of classic Simpsons episodes did at the end. And again it's a great episode, but that's in spite of the way they're poking the viewer in the gut. AHH F/UGH fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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Dec 14, 2021 06:20
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In the new one from, like, weeks ago, Homer gets depressed around mother's day and goes on a phone-app based video therapy session and remembers that he and Abe went on a road trip to find his mom when, as a teen, he found out she was alive. It sucked. No good jokes at all. Also it retcons the first episode with Mona where Homer had thought she was dead.
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Dec 14, 2021 06:25
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:My dude, stop watching new episodes. I thought i was drunk enough to enjoy it ok
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PostNouveau posted:In the new one from, like, weeks ago, Homer gets depressed around mother's day and goes on a phone-app based video therapy session and remembers that he and Abe went on a road trip to find his mom when, as a teen, he found out she was alive. I hate everything you said and refuse believe it
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Dec 14, 2021 06:32
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I hate everything you said and refuse believe it Abe is no longer a checked-out rear end in a top hat father and is now an alcoholic. He quits drinking midway through the road trip because he's grown so much closer to Homer.
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Dec 14, 2021 06:33
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PostNouveau posted:Abe is no longer a checked-out rear end in a top hat father and is now an alcoholic. He quits drinking midway through the road trip because he's grown so much closer to Homer. not listening. no retcons in my Simpsons cannon At least not before 1994
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It is 1996. I am watching Homerpalooza. Abe declares that what he is "with" is no longer "it." I regret the lack of backstory for the last time.
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Dec 14, 2021 06:41
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I can't stop watching new episodes. I grew up with the show. I know they aren't funny anymore. But at this point I might as well stick it out. I feel like it's almost mocking itself.
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Dec 14, 2021 12:54
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It’s inevitable that a show that’s been on as long as The Simpsons will eventually start retconning the established universe because A) they’re running out of ideas, B) they’re loving lazy, and C) it all boils down to a “HEY REMEMBER THIS? THIS WAS GOOD, RIGHT?” cry for attention question that nobody asked save for maybe people who only vaguely remember the original plot point, were too young to understand it, or never saw it to begin with. It doesn’t mean I have to like it. It’s pure laziness and inconsiderate pandering, and retcons can go suck a gently caress. joebuddah posted:I can't stop watching new episodes. I grew up with the show. I know they aren't funny anymore. But at this point I might as well stick it out. I don’t think I’ve willingly watched a new episode since “That ‘90s Show.” That episode is what caused me to give up on the show for good, and it aired 13 years ago  Talking about lovely rear end retcon episodes.
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I think the Grimes episode is less a deconstruction of the show and more a broader critique of the changing US economy and living standards - in the same kind of way where Krusty the Clown is a throwback to several decades ago when clowns did host kids TV shows, so the premise of the show (middle-class family living reasonably well on a single blue-collar income in small town America) is very different to the reality of even 90s America. similarly Grimes is this industrious self-made man who works hard and does everything right despite everything that's happened to him, living the American Dream, and yet still he suffers a life of poverty and struggle. so: what happened, and why did it get all hosed up?
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Grimes is a whiny shitbaby rear end in a top hat who pisses and moans about everything and everyone because he never actually strove to be a better person. He just automatically assumes he is the better person in all situations. He got what he deserved  gently caress Grimes.
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Dec 14, 2021 13:30
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Soon Grandpa will have fought in the Vietnam war and is a veteran of that
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bobjr posted:Soon Grandpa will have fought in the Vietnam war and is a veteran of that “Back in nineteen-dickety-one… we had to say ‘dickety’ because Saddam had taken ‘ninety’ away from us, and that’s what we was fighting the Desert Storm war for. Anywho, I was in the middle of Kuwait wearing a Soundgarden CD on my belt, which was the style at the time. You would put the CD in a thing called a player, and it would play music. Oh, they had such great music back then. Pearl Jelly, M.C. Mallet, Marvelous Mark & the Groovy Bunch, Nerve Ending… those were the days. What was I talking about again? Oh right. The year was dickety-eight-nine… we had to say ‘dickety’ because the Soviet Union had taken ‘nineteen’ away from us, and that’s why we was wanting the Berlin Wall to come down. There I was at the Brandenburg Gate with a slap bracelet on my belt, which was the style at the time.”
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It only just occurred to me that last year was dickety dickety
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I always thought it was "tickety" which I thought sounded better / more comedy-plausible as an old-timey "twenty" stand-in and I got mad when people told me it was "dickety"
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Lt. Danger posted:I think the Grimes episode is less a deconstruction of the show and more a broader critique of the changing US economy and living standards - in the same kind of way where Krusty the Clown is a throwback to several decades ago when clowns did host kids TV shows, so the premise of the show (middle-class family living reasonably well on a single blue-collar income in small town America) is very different to the reality of even 90s America. similarly Grimes is this industrious self-made man who works hard and does everything right despite everything that's happened to him, living the American Dream, and yet still he suffers a life of poverty and struggle. so: what happened, and why did it get all hosed up? well, according to the episode, the reason for the inability for a hard working man to make an honest living is cause of people like lazy, entitled moochers like homer. and considering the lead writer was a libertarian...
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If it weren't for Homer, every Grimes could be a Burns!
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