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Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
the us is sanctioning dji now

just gonna sanction itself out of existence it looks like

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Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Centrist Committee posted:

the us is sanctioning dji now

just gonna sanction itself out of existence it looks like

got a link? only things i see are from 2020?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

crepeface posted:

got a link? only things i see are from 2020?

https://www.ft.com/content/fbcf9467-5b7e-4a81-8b40-d829fefa09ae

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US to blacklist eight more Chinese companies including dronemaker DJI
American investors will be banned from groups accused of involvement in Xinjiang abuses

48 minutes ago


Washington’s blacklisting of DJI, the world’s largest commercial drone maker, follows similar measures against dozens of China’s other leading technology companies © Luke Sharrett/Bloomberg
The Biden administration will place eight Chinese companies including DJI, the world’s largest commercial drone manufacturer, on an investment blacklist for their alleged involvement in the surveillance of the Uyghur Muslim minority.

The US Treasury will put DJI and the other firms on its “Chinese military-industrial complex companies” blacklist on Thursday, according to two people briefed on the move. US investors are barred from taking financial stakes in the 60 Chinese groups already on the blacklist.

The measure marks the latest effort by US president Joe Biden to punish China for its repression of Uyghurs and other Muslim ethnic minorities in the north-western Xinjiang region.

Last week, SenseTime, the facial recognition software company, postponed its planned initial public offering in Hong Kong after the Financial Times reported that the US was set to place the company on the blacklist.

The other Chinese companies that will be sanctioned on Thursday include Megvii, SenseTime’s main rival that last year halted plans to list in Hong Kong after it was put on a separate US blacklist, and Dawning Information Industry, a supercomputer manufacturer that operates cloud computing services in Xinjiang.

CloudWalk Technology, a facial recognition software company, Xiamen Meiya Pico, a cyber security group that works with law enforcement, Yitu Technology, an artificial intelligence company, Leon Technology, a cloud computing company and NetPosa Technologies, a producer of cloud-based surveillance systems, will also added to the CMIC blacklist.

DJI and Megvii are not publicly traded, but Dawning Information, which is also known as Sugon, is listed in Shanghai and Leon, NetPosa and Meiya Pico trade in Shenzhen.

All eight companies are already on the commerce department’s “entity list”, which restricts US companies from exporting technology or products from America to the Chinese groups without obtaining a government licence.

The White House did not comment and Treasury did not respond to a request for comment.

DJI declined to comment. But last year, it said it had “done nothing to justify being placed on the entity list” after it was added to the commerce department’s export blacklist at the end of former president Donald Trump’s term.

The commerce department is also expected to place more than two dozen Chinese companies on the entity list on Thursday, including some involved in biotechnology, according to the people familiar with the pending action. The commerce department did not respond to a request for comment.

The sanctions action comes as the US has maintained a tough stance over China’s policies in Xinjiang, where more than 1m Uyghurs and other minorities have been held in detention camps. The White House last week announced a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing.

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The Biden administration on Thursday will also consider tightening rules on US companies selling technology to Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp, the largest Chinese chip manufacturer. The Trump administration put SMIC on the entity list a year ago, but the decision included a provision that critics said created a loophole that some companies had exploited.

Eric Sayers, head of the Indo-Pacific practice at Beacon Global Strategies, a consultancy, said Biden was moving into the implementation phase after reviewing many of his predecessor’s technology policies.

“It will be interesting to watch if these targeted but significant steps are just the beginning of a more aggressive approach being driven by the White House or the minimum the inter-agency can muster for now,” said Sayers. “If it’s the former, we could see further restrictions on SMIC and new outbound investment restrictions in the months ahead.”

In another example of Washington’s escalating confrontation with Beijing over Xinjiang, the US House of Representatives unanimously passed a bill on Tuesday that would ban imports from the region unless companies could prove the goods were not produced with forced labour.

The House and Senate earlier reached agreement on a compromise draft of the bill, setting the stage for a vote in the upper chamber of Congress before senators recess for the year-end holidays.

The White House welcomed the agreement over the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act.

Sophie Richardson, China director at Human Rights Watch, called for Biden to sign the legislation after it was passed by Congress “immediately”.

“Beijing and businesses have long banked on a global willingness to put profits ahead of humans’ rights — even in the face of crimes against humanity,” said Richardson. “Congress rightly shifted the burden of proof to Xinjiang authorities and to companies.”

Jewher Ilham, an activist whose father Ilham Tohti, a Uyghur rights advocate, was jailed for life by China on widely criticised charges of separatism, said it was “promising” that Congress had reached a deal to hold companies “accountable for their complicity in the world’s worst forced labour regime”.

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crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
“Chinese military-industrial complex companies” sure is a phrase

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
it's almost as if the issues the US has with China all boil down to them projecting subconscious guilt onto the big bad yellow peril. 🤔

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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Like do DJI even gives a poo poo to "american investors"

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

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8 year old me would've been extremely excited to see this.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

touring decomissioned US warships does more for recruiting than any commercial or video game. poo poo was cool. frigate level on goldeneye was one of the best

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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hopefully that Mikuma meets a fate similar to the last one

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...pgtype=homepage

God, they're even beating us at World Trade Center attacks

E: it's an electrical fire

Mantis42 has issued a correction as of 08:26 on Dec 15, 2021

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
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WATCH XI START A FU- wait no he's not gonna do that

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Mantis42 posted:

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...pgtype=homepage

God, they're even beating us at World Trade Center attacks

E: it's an electrical fire


Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

holy sh*t that tanya execution at 12:20

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Notice that the Uyghurs knew not to come in to work today...

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Pornographic Memory posted:

Haven't been reading this thread but did anybody mention the Tom Clancy book where China invades Russia and the US invites Russia into NATO? Because that one was completely bonkers. I read it as a teenager and didn't really get how just about everything in that book is just pure right wingers' wet dream splattered all over the pages even though it's so obvious now looking back at it

the Clancyverse is a magical place

see, most of his deranged right-wing wank fantasies happen in the same universe.

This means that, in his utopian right-wing fantasy, all of the following things have happened:

- the IRA have teamed up with the Black Panthers to attempt to assassinate the Prince of Wales on US soil, almost successfully, failing only because the IRA men stopped in the middle of the operation to kill their American allies for no reason
- Palestinian militants, ex-East German communists, and the American Indian Movement have teamed up to nuke the Super Bowl. the Palestinians stop in the middle of the operation to kill their American ally for no reason, but the operation is still ultimately successful. the US has been nuked in Clancyverse.
- the US suffers a major epidemic, which results in a nationwide lockdown enforced by strict martial law, which every state complies with and which faces no significant resistance from the populace. the only characters in the book to express opposition to being trapped at a random truck stop for months by the lockdown are two terrorists who were in the process of trying to drive a bomb to their target and are annoyed that the lockdown is getting in the way of the terrorism they're trying to do. the epidemic turns out to have been a bio-terror attack by Iran.
- the US comes within a hair's breadth of suffering a second epidemic-causing bio-terror attack, this time by a militant wing of the loving Sierra Club.
- Iran and Iraq have briefly merged into a single country, which the US has gone to war with.
- the US has fought a war with China.
- the US has fought a war with loving Japan.
- almost the entire US federal government has been killed by a Japanese ultranationalist in a kamikaze attack on the Capitol during a State of the Union address.
- the President's daughter has been kidnapped by Iranian-backed terrorists.
- a Secret Service agent has attempted to assassinate the President because he (the agent) is Muslim, and was foiled only because one of the other agents took the bullets out of his gun.
- a group of Islamist terrorists have snuck across the Mexican border into the US and shot up a mall in a small Midwestern US town, killing a lot of people before a heroic citizen with a gun stops them. as the terrorists are bleeding out on the ground, the hero literally grabs a football from a sporting goods store and puts the football in their hands and says they're holding a pigskin from a genuine American pig and the terrorist's eyes are filled with horror because he knows he's going to hell now.
- the Israel-Palestine conflict has been solved forever by turning Jerusalem into a Vatican-style religious city-state with security responsibilities turned over to the Swiss Guards.
- the US has formally instituted the 'Ryan Doctrine', which states that the US reserves the right to execute the head of state of any country they deem to have 'ordered attacks on American citizens, territory, or possessions'. it has exercised this right by murdering the Ayatollah of Iran on live television.

all of this has happened in a span of maybe fifteen years?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Mister Bates posted:

This means that, in his utopian right-wing fantasy, all of the following things have happened:

9/11 also happened on top of everything else, including the Japanese kamikaze that's reminiscent of 9/11 itself

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

The thing about them being airport books that people pick up and read in random order means that each insane thing that happens isn't allowed to dramatically alter the course of events too far from the real world. Imagine WW3 happening and it being memoryholed 9 months later when the latest crazy terror plot by... *rolls dice* the Shriners working with Somalian pirates occurs.

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

gradenko_2000 posted:

9/11 also happened on top of everything else, including the Japanese kamikaze that's reminiscent of 9/11 itself

Do people still talk about it like a world changing event despite clearly not being as big of a deal as all the other poo poo?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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30.5 Days posted:

Do people still talk about it like a world changing event despite clearly not being as big of a deal as all the other poo poo?

okay so,

quote:

- a group of Islamist terrorists have snuck across the Mexican border into the US and shot up a mall in a small Midwestern US town, killing a lot of people before a heroic citizen with a gun stops them. as the terrorists are bleeding out on the ground, the hero literally grabs a football from a sporting goods store and puts the football in their hands and says they're holding a pigskin from a genuine American pig and the terrorist's eyes are filled with horror because he knows he's going to hell now.

this is from "The Teeth of the Tiger", which is the first book in the Clancyverse to talk about "The Campus", a privately-run intelligence operation whose offices are cleverly placed within telecommunications-intercept paths of the CIA and NSA headquarters so they can piggyback off of all the SIGINT that those two organizations scoop up

they also have a stack of undated presidential pardons stashed away in a safe, as a "gift" from then-President Jack Ryan Sr., in case they ever need for a rainy day

but anyway - two operatives from The Campus get caught in one of these Midwest mall attacks and put a stop to it (with the other attacks across the country being stopped by LEO with various states of response-times and civilian casualties). Thus begins an operation to track down who did it, and make the bastards pay

because The Campus is not a government/official intelligence op, they can't be seen as doing noisy, loud, public assassinations the way the CIA might, so they start looking for a way to quietly kill terrorists. A doctor volunteers his services, and furnishes the outfit with syringes of succinylcholine, which [allegedly] induces a heart attack that can't be traced unless the coroner knew exactly what to look for

in a later book, this same doctor would be involved in a torture scene even more extreme than Without Remorse's decompression chamber shenanigans: they take Totally-Not-Bin-Laden and subject him to a heart attack, then revive him, then do it again, over and over, until he spills

but why would this doctor agree to working for such an organization?

his brother was on the 101st floor of the north tower, working for Cantor Fitzgerald, when the planes hit

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
also worth mentioning is that the specific way they do these assassinations is by stabbing their targets in the rear end with the syringe

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Tom Clancy books are James Bond with less sex. Confirm/deny?

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Mister Bates posted:

also worth mentioning is that the specific way they do these assassinations is by stabbing their targets in the rear end with the syringe

lovingly stroking the victim's throbbing cock as they die

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

gradenko_2000 posted:

okay so,

this is from "The Teeth of the Tiger", which is the first book in the Clancyverse to talk about "The Campus", a privately-run intelligence operation whose offices are cleverly placed within telecommunications-intercept paths of the CIA and NSA headquarters so they can piggyback off of all the SIGINT that those two organizations scoop up

they also have a stack of undated presidential pardons stashed away in a safe, as a "gift" from then-President Jack Ryan Sr., in case they ever need for a rainy day

but anyway - two operatives from The Campus get caught in one of these Midwest mall attacks and put a stop to it (with the other attacks across the country being stopped by LEO with various states of response-times and civilian casualties). Thus begins an operation to track down who did it, and make the bastards pay

because The Campus is not a government/official intelligence op, they can't be seen as doing noisy, loud, public assassinations the way the CIA might, so they start looking for a way to quietly kill terrorists. A doctor volunteers his services, and furnishes the outfit with syringes of succinylcholine, which [allegedly] induces a heart attack that can't be traced unless the coroner knew exactly what to look for

in a later book, this same doctor would be involved in a torture scene even more extreme than Without Remorse's decompression chamber shenanigans: they take Totally-Not-Bin-Laden and subject him to a heart attack, then revive him, then do it again, over and over, until he spills

but why would this doctor agree to working for such an organization?

his brother was on the 101st floor of the north tower, working for Cantor Fitzgerald, when the planes hit

It just seems like the time we got nuked by bds would loom somewhat larger in the public consciousness

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

FrancisFukyomama posted:

with how cartoonishly racist cnc generals was it was kind of surprising that it ends with the us humiliated and bankrupt by middle eastern adventurism and retreating into irrelevance as China is ascendant an dismantling the EU and NATO

Command and Conquer was always cool. The Soviet Campaign for Yuri's revenge ends up with the soviets doing a parade on Wall Street and then shutting down the stock market.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
They should've done a secret campaign a la the Red Alert 1 Ant Campaign because even Yuri can not kill Number!

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
People sometimes forgot Tom Clancy got popular becausr his extremely long and detail military porn description.


Was there other ""geopolitic thriller"" writers in the 90s? Kind of want to look up other right wing fantasy ideas during that time capsult bubble right before 911.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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stephenthinkpad posted:

People sometimes forgot Tom Clancy got popular becausr his extremely long and detail military porn description.


Was there other ""geopolitic thriller"" writers in the 90s? Kind of want to look up other right wing fantasy ideas during that time capsult bubble right before 911.

Perhaps the grandfather of the genre is General Sir John Hackett's "The Third World War", which posits a Soviet invasion of Western Europe in August 1985 and presents it in a high-level retrospective, as if he was describing a history of what had already happened.

Harold Coyle. His most famous work is "Team Yankee", which is your stock-standard Cold-War-Gone-Hot scenario of the USSR invading West Germany. Later he'd also delve into works about the US military getting involved in inter-European wars, given the lack of a big Soviet boogeyman, starting with "The Ten Thousand".

Ralph Peters. I think he's only really done one notable book, "Red Army", but it is notable as far as it's a USSR-invades-Europe scenario but the story is told purely from the (perceived) perspective of Soviet soldiers.

Stephen Coonts. A former bomber pilot, he wrote "Flight of the Intruder", which is sort of like a revisionist take on Vietnam to try and demonstrate what the US could have done if only the politicians weren't "holding them back". It picked up enough buzz to get turned into a movie in 1991. Coonts is still writing up to today, but as far as I know he went more towards the single-protagonist-spy-thriller rather than broad geopolitics.

WEB Griffin. This one's getting a little far afield, as he tackles historical intelligence operations, with books about the OSS, the ONI, commandos, and other special forces in past wars, but I still count him among the genre for things like writing about a dude who flies in the Battle of Britain, then flies for the Flying Tigers, and is such a pro pilot that he becomes Chiang Kai-Shek's personal advisor and bangs dozens of Chinese women.

Dale Brown. Look up "Chains of Command" to get a glimpse into right-wing fantasies about the US defending Ukraine from Russian invasion while being lead by Not-Hillary-Clinton as Shadow President. He's a profilic enough writer that he's also done a bunch of novels by now where China is the baddie, after rotating through Russia, Iran, and drug cartels.

Larry Bond. He was Tom Clancy's writing partner on "Red Storm Rising", and I've always considered him the better author, on top of being a game designer involved with the Harpoon wargame series. "Red Phoenix" is about a new Korean War, "Vortex" is about apartheid South Africa deciding to blitzkrieg the rest of the continent, and "Cauldron" is something like if Macron decided he wanted to team up with the Alternative für Deutschland to conquer a post-NATO Europe, and the US has to defend the independence of Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia. His latest works have all been focused on a single submarine crew, and tends to be somewhat less whacky for it.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Those last two Larry Bond books actually sound cokl

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

StashAugustine posted:

Those last two Larry Bond books actually sound cokl

yeah, after seeing vigil i have a hankering for some submarine stories

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Mister Bates posted:

the Clancyverse is a magical place

see, most of his deranged right-wing wank fantasies happen in the same universe.

If you ever get the chance to pick up the DVD for Sum of All Fears it has the most bizarre and hilarious DVD commentary track ever. Tom Clancy joins the director and he just proceeds to poo poo all over the movie and how it didn't follow his book at all, and just complains about the movie and the plot for 90 minutes. I believe this is the first conversation they have ever had.

He also veers into politics and rants about how spending more on the military is the only way to ensure peace, and that's not a left right issue that's just the facts and how bad the democrats are for not seeing this. It's a great tour of Clancy's brain at the height of Clancy, I can't recommend it enough.

I think that was the book where they nuked the super bowl in Denver which is just the most cartoonisly evil terrorist poo poo you could imagine, like come on lmao

Pryor on Fire has issued a correction as of 14:43 on Dec 15, 2021

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Pryor on Fire posted:

If you ever get the chance to pick up the DVD for Sum of All Fears it has the most bizarre and hilarious DVD commentary track ever. Tom Clancy joins the director and he just proceeds to poo poo all over the movie and how it didn't follow his book at all, and just complains about the movie and the plot for 90 minutes. I believe this is the first conversation they have ever had.

He also veers into politics and rants about how spending more on the military is the only way to ensure peace, and that's not a left right issue that's just the facts and how bad the democrats are for not seeing this. It's a great tour of Clancy's brain at the height of Clancy, I can't recommend it enough.

I think that was the book where they nuked Denver which is just so hilarious in retrospect, yeah the terrists gonna get Denver we gots to worry about Denver

well they were specifically nuking the super bowl. It just happened to be in Denver

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Raskolnikov38 posted:

well they were specifically nuking the super bowl. It just happened to be in Denver

The super bowl is never held in cold outdoor stadiums, choosing that city makes no sense. It's just as absurd as saying Al Qaeda is scary threat to people in Omaha. Pure Clancy nonsense.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

gradenko_2000 posted:

okay so,

this is from "The Teeth of the Tiger", which is the first book in the Clancyverse to talk about "The Campus", a privately-run intelligence operation whose offices are cleverly placed within telecommunications-intercept paths of the CIA and NSA headquarters so they can piggyback off of all the SIGINT that those two organizations scoop up

they also have a stack of undated presidential pardons stashed away in a safe, as a "gift" from then-President Jack Ryan Sr., in case they ever need for a rainy day

This bit is also part of the plot to payday 2

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Pryor on Fire posted:

The super bowl is never held in cold outdoor stadiums, choosing that city makes no sense. It's just as absurd as saying Al Qaeda is scary threat to people in Omaha. Pure Clancy nonsense.

isn’t SAC in Omaha

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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StashAugustine posted:

Those last two Larry Bond books actually sound cokl

oh yeah don't get me wrong Vortex and Cauldron are very fun rides...

Doctor Jeep posted:

yeah, after seeing vigil i have a hankering for some submarine stories

... the interestiing thing about the "Jerry Mitchell series", the first book is "Dangerous Ground", is that the protagonist is a naval aviator that gets dumped into a submarine because of office politics - combine this complete newbie with a mission that doesn't involve combat, and a lot of the plot revolves around Mitchell learning submarine best practices and traditions, such as the tribute the Neptune when a sub crosses the equator (or something like that). It's almost like a slice-of-life novel rather than mil-wank.

Pryor on Fire posted:

Sum of All Fears

the movie is special in that it was made after 9/11, but either the script was written before and was just never updated, or the director/producer weren't as Islamophobic as the rest of the country, because it specifically walks away from the book-plot where the bomb-plot is hatched by secular Marxist Palestinian insurgents, and instead shifts the baddies to being Neo-Nazis.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


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Pryor on Fire posted:

The super bowl is never held in cold outdoor stadiums, choosing that city makes no sense. It's just as absurd as saying Al Qaeda is scary threat to people in Omaha. Pure Clancy nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLyGVJAT02A

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

gradenko_2000 posted:


WEB Griffin. This one's getting a little far afield, as he tackles historical intelligence operations, with books about the OSS, the ONI, commandos, and other special forces in past wars, but I still count him among the genre for things like writing about a dude who flies in the Battle of Britain, then flies for the Flying Tigers, and is such a pro pilot that he becomes Chiang Kai-Shek's personal advisor and bangs dozens of Chinese women.


the griffin books about the OSS are so much fun, i love them. like 90% of the books are just the main characters loving around, doing bants and seducing babes, and then in like the last 30 pages the book suddenly remembers something needs to happen so there's an extremely compressed action sequence where they do spy poo poo. it's awesome. there's like four or five of them too.

skipmyseashells
Nov 14, 2020

gradenko_2000 posted:

the movie is special in that it was made after 9/11, but either the script was written before and was just never updated, or the director/producer weren't as Islamophobic as the rest of the country, because it specifically walks away from the book-plot where the bomb-plot is hatched by secular Marxist Palestinian insurgents, and instead shifts the baddies to being Neo-Nazis.

ebert was salty over that

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

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Mister Bates posted:

- the US has formally instituted the 'Ryan Doctrine', which states that the US reserves the right to execute the head of state of any country they deem to have 'ordered attacks on American citizens, territory, or possessions'. it has exercised this right by murdering the Ayatollah of Iran on live television.

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