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Natty Ninefingers posted:Pretty much. It’s a justification for views he already holds, inflamed by mass media hysteria. Endocarditis was an extremely rare side effect of moderna for some reason. A sailor in my command rolled snake eyes and got it. Same deal. Extremely fit before but now has pig valves transplanted in. He's still pro vaccine because he isn't an idiot. So yeah it can cause it but you know what hosed up more people worse? COVID.
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Platystemon posted:Moderna’s trial had someone get struck by lightning. Probably an ungrounded 5G tower nearby smdh
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CommieGIR posted:Gee, I wonder why the GOP is concerned about voter Fraud when they keep doing it..... You mean why they project everything they do themselves upon the Radical Socialist Left Democrats? https://twitter.com/GoAngelo/status/1470941465828278277 I mean, the way they just keep doubling down is absolutely loving mind-boggling.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:It's certainly something. The funny part is that it kind of opens like a serious thriller....and then giant cockroaches and the trip to safety in BUFFALO or somewhere goofy. Can't believe I stayed up till 4:00 PM one weekend just to finish it. Then again it was on badmovies.org, so I had to watch it after I read the reviews of it a bunch of times.
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Repeated lightning strikes are usually a sign of incurring the wrath of God and/or nature, good thing to compare with the control group just to be on the safe side.
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CBJSprague24 posted:You mean why they project everything they do themselves upon the Radical Socialist Left Democrats? Because they suffer no consequences for it e: partially related https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1470925874858020866?s=20 That Works fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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Is this guy full of poo poo or is his channel actually decent info? https://youtu.be/czs0_I3-NNE Specifically his info about weapons systems Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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Dec 15, 2021 13:48
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Woke up to a snow squall alert. Wind is nuts this morning.
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Dec 15, 2021 14:16
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Woke up to a snow squall alert. Wind is nuts this morning. Supposed to be crazy high winds today. Boulder might see 100mph.
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Dec 15, 2021 15:38
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Yeah, poor Frank had to wait to piss this morning until the wind cut down to around 30mph. Power flickered a little but has been fine for an hour now. Tumbleweeds everywhere, lol.
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Dec 15, 2021 15:56
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I got woken up by the wind howling around my windows. This is bullshit
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Dec 15, 2021 16:51
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Surely everyone expected this. I hope he fucks up and says "black lives matter" again.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Is this guy full of poo poo or is his channel actually decent info? He doesn't go into the armaments in much detail, but what he does pretty much tracks. It's not like those systems are new and mysterious--they've used them all in the last several years, between Georgia, Crimea, and Syria.
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Moderna boosters are good too!  https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1471161030835269633?t=zhW_JXYkWXPYs1q38bmioQ&s=19 Getting clearer that anyone unvaccinated is going to get omicroned pretty hard, maybe even if they got deltad.
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My cousin is double vaxxed and just got his booster, pcr results came back positive for covid this morning. He's doing alright, seems past the hump, doesn't know if it's delta or omicron.
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Yeah, I think we’re beyond the point of vaccines preventing spread.
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Thwomp posted:Yeah, I think we’re beyond the point of vaccines preventing spread. Yeah at this point its about vaccines saving your life or preventing an ER stay less preventing spread.
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Thwomp posted:Yeah, I think we’re beyond the point of vaccines preventing spread. CommieGIR posted:Yeah at this point its about vaccines saving your life or preventing an ER stay less preventing spread. We still don't really know! Right now, we're still at the point where getting vaccinated makes you 5x less likely to catch it, 10x less likely to get hospitalized, and unvaccinated die at 11x the rate of vaccinateds. We don't know if that 5x number is going to hold up against Omicron or not, as America/UK is basically Law of Large Numbersing hard, making rare events (breakthroughs) into a common event. We also don't really know if that 5x number is also a factor of vaccinated people being cautious, wearing masks, etc versus unvaccinated people coughing on each other. Or maybe the vaccinated people get it and pass it so quick that nobody notices vaccinations turning infections asymptomatic, so they never test positive. But y'all are probably right that vaccination isn't a pure preventative like it used to be. The one thing skeptical people have been saying is now likely true - it makes more sense for big venues to do testing/mask mandates versus vaccine-only door checking.
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Dec 15, 2021 22:03
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facialimpediment posted:But y'all are probably right that vaccination isn't a pure preventative like it used to be. The one thing skeptical people have been saying is now likely true - it makes more sense for big venues to do testing/mask mandates versus vaccine-only door checking. At this point as far as I know only New York has a source of truth for vaccinations anyway. Everywhere else is on a pinky swear and easily spoofed paper token system.
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Dec 15, 2021 22:12
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I know it's not data but my unvaccinated infant son gave it to me, my wife, and my mom, but my vaccinated + boostered mom didn't give it to my step dad or a bunch of other people she was in contact with before finding out she was poz. Maybe it helped? Also feeling like poo poo today from booster + flu shot yesterday
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Dum Cumpster posted:I know it's not data but my unvaccinated infant son gave it to me, my wife, and my mom, but my vaccinated + boostered mom didn't give it to my step dad or a bunch of other people she was in contact with before finding out she was poz. Maybe it helped? That's the magic "viral load" question that sent everyone back to masking in hospitals over the summer. Wild/alpha would hit the vaccinated, but vaccinated people would only barf out a tiny percentage of COVID versus the unvaccinated. Delta more or less killed that off - vaccinated/unvaccinated people barfed out roughly equal amounts of COVID per sneeze/cough if they were infected by Delta. But where the unvaxxed/skeptics/newsmedia went wrong is that the viral loads are equal while infected - but vaccinated people clear COVID faster! So sure, they all spread eleventy billion COVID per cough, but the unvaccinated could cough that for two weeks while the vaccinated person was only a few days. I believe that's what lead to a lot of scientists saying BOOST loving EVERYONE a few months back before a lot of the data came back, just because of the likely drop in transmissibility. And good thing that recommendation came when it did too, with omicron coming!
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facialimpediment posted:I believe that's what lead to a lot of scientists saying BOOST loving EVERYONE a few months back before a lot of the data came back, just because of the likely drop in transmissibility. The data was pretty clear that vaccine protection starts dropping significantly after only three months or so, and as far as I know that is what drove the boosters. This is very clear in the Israeli dataset. Curious what you’re basing all these claims on.
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Yeah the data says the boosters work to keep you alive, if not fairly healthy if you catch it. And it does significantly reduce your risk with COVID. I have not seen any data saying otherwise.
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Sure, boosters are a great idea. I got mine as soon as I was eligible. I’m just saying the whole thing about “the unvaccinated could cough that for two weeks while the vaccinated person was only a few days. I believe that's what lead to a lot of scientists saying BOOST loving EVERYONE a few months back before a lot of the data came back, just because of the likely drop in transmissibility” where public health policy was allegedly set in absence of data on the basis of some hypothetical reduction in transmission instead of the loss of protection over time that was already well-documented when boosters became available seems like a really weird leap to make and I’d love to know the basis for doing so.
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And sometimes transmission risk factors get lost in translation. If a vaccine is only 50% of the time stopping you from catching it once exposed, but you already do things (stay home, wear mask, hygeine, etc) that reduce your odds to 1 in 100 to catch the virus over a 3 month period, adding the vaccine on top makes your risk more like 1 in 200. Now if you party inside with strangers all day unmasked, well… A lot of people read “40% effective” as “60% of people WILL catch the virus” which is not how it works.
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Defenestrategy posted:At this point as far as I know only New York has a source of truth for vaccinations anyway. Everywhere else is on a pinky swear and easily spoofed paper token system. California has a digital records system after i renewed my drivers license it decided that my vaccine record should display "Xyzfirstname Xyzlastname" instead of "Firstname Lastname" for my name. the ticket i sent in to fix this has been under review now for ~55 days.
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Defenestrategy posted:At this point as far as I know only New York has a source of truth for vaccinations anyway. Everywhere else is on a pinky swear and easily spoofed paper token system. I have an electronic record with the state in CO. Its up to date including the booster I got at the drive through clinic 2 days ago. Colorado's digital ID is kinda neat
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Quebec’s got a QR code that restaurants scan and poo poo.
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California's electronic thing doesn't have my shot record, maybe due to not being a resident, but some pharmacies automatically feed into MRRS so my status immediately got updated there when I got my booster. I can't imagine forged vaccination cards make up any more than the tiniest fraction of a percent though. That's a lot of effort to go through for people who find wearing a cloth mask for 20 minutes in Walmart to be an impossible burden.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I can't imagine forged vaccination cards make up any more than the tiniest fraction of a percent though. That's a lot of effort to go through for people who find wearing a cloth mask for 20 minutes in Walmart to be an impossible burden. I mean... quote:The league and players' union found that Brown was among three players who misrepresented their vaccination statuses. A former personal chef of Brown's said earlier this month that the wide receiver had obtained a fake COVID-19 vaccination card over the summer.......The league's investigation found that Brown brought a fake vaccination card with him to training camp, but shortly after he arrived someone told him having one could get him in trouble, so he made the decision to get vaccinated, sources told Graziano. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32772245/tampa-bay-buccaneers-wr-antonio-brown-suspended-3-games-covid-19-violation
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Defenestrategy posted:I mean... Sure, there's always going to be the few, the proud, the dedicated assholes, but even from that same article: quote:Some 80% of the NFL's vaccinated players were vaccinated at team facilities, sources told Graziano, meaning there is no question about the authenticity of their vaccination cards. The NFL also found that there has been no difference between the positivity rate among players who were vaccinated at team facilities and those who were vaccinated elsewhere, sources said, which is a reason the league does not fear a rampant fake vaccination card issue.
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Loucks posted:Sure, boosters are a great idea. I got mine as soon as I was eligible. I’m just saying the whole thing about “the unvaccinated could cough that for two weeks while the vaccinated person was only a few days. I believe that's what lead to a lot of scientists saying BOOST loving EVERYONE a few months back before a lot of the data came back, just because of the likely drop in transmissibility” where public health policy was allegedly set in absence of data on the basis of some hypothetical reduction in transmission instead of the loss of protection over time that was already well-documented when boosters became available seems like a really weird leap to make and I’d love to know the basis for doing so. Incoming tl;dr There were a shitload of scientists (and still are) saying boosters were far less important than getting vaccines to unvaccinated countries: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/12/who-calls-distribution-of-covid-boosters-a-scandal-as-poor-nations-struggle-to-get-first-shots.html The data was extremely limited in the August/September timeframe when a lot of the early vaccinated hit six months (and especially the front-line first-dosed): https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/2021/08/local-12--covid-19-booster-shots--the-controversy-behind-a-third-shot-for-all.html The money quote from back in October: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y quote:Previous studies have found that people infected with Delta have roughly the same levels of viral genetic materials in their noses regardless of whether they’d previously been vaccinated, suggesting that vaccinated and unvaccinated people might be equally infectious. But studies also suggest that vaccinated people are less likely to spread the virus if they subsequently catch Delta: their levels of nasal virus drop faster than do those of unvaccinated infected people, and their nasal swabs contain smaller amounts of infectious virus. And from September - booster policy was a serious intergovernmental debate that the CDC director overrode her own committee about : https://www.statnews.com/2021/09/24/biden-covid-19-boosters-pitting-white-house-against-scientific-advisers/ quote:The administration’s latest move — a decision to expand booster eligibility that came in the middle of the night Friday — puts the spotlight on Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who overruled her own advisory panel of scientists to make the call. Now, she finds herself caught between the White House, which had been pushing for the expanded eligibility for weeks, and an advisory body of experts that recommended booster shots only to a smaller part of the adult population — and that the CDC has almost never overruled. Even back to November, federal government panels didn't have as much data as they wanted to bless boosters for everyone, but Governors opened the floodgates on eligibility just for the hope that boosters would cut transmissibility rates and save their hospitals: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/11/biden-administration-coronavirus-booster-shots/
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Sure, there's always going to be the few, the proud, the dedicated assholes, but even from that same article: It's really no surprise at all that sports teams are on the front-lines of current outbreaks. All you really have to do is watch a postgame speech for how packed in they are into small rooms. Plus, a lot of them are likely overdue for boosters that they don't want to get during the season, risking being down/sore for a few days or a week. Delta runs rampant in that kind of environment, even with the vaccinated, and Omicron would likely do the same thing too. I'm personally surprised that we're not getting a whole lot more positives out of Congress lately. Those chucklefucks are constantly talking in close proximity to others, masked/unmasked, though we simply might not be hearing about folks getting sick because of all the proxy voting in the House. There have been some random illness missed-votes on the Republican side in the Senate lately though.
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Defenestrategy posted:At this point as far as I know only New York has a source of truth for vaccinations anyway. Everywhere else is on a pinky swear and easily spoofed paper token system. dawg I have this in Wisconsin. computers and electricity exist outside of the i-95 corridor
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Hello CE thread, I copy pasted one of my free articles to another thread, so I'm gonna ctrl+a and copy paste it here for morning reading. https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1471182868952928258?s=20 LA Times Article Dump posted:Retailers say thefts are at crisis level. The numbers say otherwise
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KirbyKhan posted:Hello CE thread, I copy pasted one of my free articles to another thread, so I'm gonna ctrl+a and copy paste it here for morning reading. I wonder how much of that is actual theft vs forgetting to ring up something, but I’m not sure how to go about telling those apart in the numbers. Also, obligatory rookie_numbers.jpg
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