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Sagebrush posted:Airplane control designs (for certification in the USA, at least) must conform to clearly laid out federal standards. For instance, the throttle, propeller and mixture levers have specific shapes that are designed to let you differentiate them entirely by touch, and they are supposed to always be mounted in that order to further reduce confusion. Other controls like flaps and landing gear also have characteristic shapes. Active aspects are also considered; for instance, the trim wheel must turn in the same direction that the airplane will rotate when the control is operated (i.e. if the wheel is mounted in a console and you push it forwards, the nose must go down). Positions, markings, and colors used on instruments are also standardized across the industry. This was not the case until around WW2, when suddenly there was a major opportunity to study cockpit workflow in high-stress situations; as you can imagine, these rules are written in blood. They must have not gotten that far in the 60's then, or the 70s, 80s, 90s, or the 20teens because Boeing's design of the 737 overhead is a mishmash of similar switches and knobs that do vastly different things that are only differentiated by looking at them:  Notice the B Hydraulic system switches and the engine anti ice switches? They're close enough together that we'll get a memo about once a year about some poor sap that turned off the hydraulics instead of the anti ice and suddenly has an emergency on their hands!
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freelop posted:Soup's done Excuse me waiter but what is this flywheel doing in my soup? Deus Ex Macklemore fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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morethanjake32 posted:What’s the matter with the Audi setup? It’s not similar to the domestics, but I think its way for adjustments to volume than Chevy’s idea to hide the controls on the blind side of the steering wheel In an ideal world it would be momentary buttons for track up/down (because they are discrete selections you only want to change one at a time, especially in the absence of visual or any other feedback as to what you're getting) and a thumb roller for volume (because you want to be able to scrub to a certain position with one movement, not hammer on it like a woodpecker if you have to take the volume down a bunch quickly or whatever). But then it wouldn't be symmetrical
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cursedshitbox posted:Maybe they should make the engine out of the same material the oil pan is. This but the wrist pin. After seeing so many exploded engines, it's always the wrist pin that's left in one piece. Those things are indestructable.
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Memento posted:Is there supposed to be that much oil in the engine pan? Not nearly enough piston in that oil
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Arson Daily posted:They must have not gotten that far in the 60's then, or the 70s, 80s, 90s, or the 20teens because Boeing's design of the 737 overhead is a mishmash of similar switches and knobs that do vastly different things that are only differentiated by looking at them: AFAIK the requirements for tactile and color coded knobs/levers are in place only for the items Sagebrush listed, not that Boing shouldn't have done a better job with their interface. EvenWorseOpinions fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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Applesnots posted:I am in a fine line here, but i a pretty sure it is terrible if not tons of fun as my daily. Beefy 
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Shifty Pony posted:My Honda Accord has a push button selector, it actually owns pretty hard as far as something like that can. Each button has a distinct shape, feel, and activation chime so you can't mistake them. You even have to hook you finger under the reverse button and pull the whole button rearward to switch into reverse so there is absolutely no way you could mistake it for drive or park. Hold up. Since all my cars have the shifter instead of buttons and whatnot, I'm curious here. Only one selection for Drive? No 3 2 1 or L? How is that a good idea to not have that? At least for snow conditions, its good to have adjustable gears.
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Solar Coaster posted:Hold up. Since all my cars have the shifter instead of buttons and whatnot, I'm curious here. Only one selection for Drive? No 3 2 1 or L? How is that a good idea to not have that? At least for snow conditions, its good to have adjustable gears. probably flappy paddles even my standard console shifted car goes PRNDS and S holds the gears out longer. then if you want, it has a lil up/down toggle on the side of it if you want to manually shift in S my transmission is poo poo for other reasons though Large Testicles fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Solar Coaster posted:No 3 2 1 or L? How is that a good idea to not have that? At least for snow conditions, its good to have adjustable gears. Almost everything has steering wheel buttons or paddles for switching gears so you're covered there. Otherwise, the traction control systems keep getting fancier and fancier that doing things manually for the average consumer is not really a concern.
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If you want control over which gear your car is in why not just buy a manual?
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ili posted:If you want control over which gear your car is in why not just buy a manual? Fewer and fewer cars come with that option, at least here in the US
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Solar Coaster posted:Hold up. Since all my cars have the shifter instead of buttons and whatnot, I'm curious here. Only one selection for Drive? No 3 2 1 or L? How is that a good idea to not have that? At least for snow conditions, its good to have adjustable gears. In my car in particular 3 2 1 or L would be kinda pointless since it is a hybrid  But for practical purposes in non hybrids the paddle shifters and sport mode (which makes gear selection sticky) replaces "1" or "2".
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Scratch Monkey posted:Fewer and fewer cars come with that option, at least here in the US Even cars that have manual options elsewhere in the world don’t have manual options in the US. At least when I have a manual it means no one can steal the car.
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Powershift posted:Rip Chekov No, his Cherokee had a lovely T shaped shifter that sucked. Not a dial. https://www.consumerreports.org/grand-cherokee/recalled-shifter-may-have-played-part-in-anton-yelchin-death/
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StormDrain posted:No, his Cherokee had a lovely T shaped shifter that sucked. Not a dial. Must be the Mandela effect loving with me. That is actually the shifter I had the issue with. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3270178&pagenumber=611&perpage=40#post447632681 quote:I got a 2015 grand cherokee as a rental with the pentastar/8 speed combo, and the transmission programing was painful in such a high weight/low torque vehicle. a little poke of the throttle to match the speed of the next lane before merging and it jumps from 8th to 3rd and the engine starts screaming and then climbs back up to 8th. It was basically never in 6th or 7th gear. The paddle shifters/manual mode actually held gears, followed direction, and shifted quite quickly, so in a lighter/torquey car it would probably be pretty decent.
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BigPaddy posted:Even cars that have manual options elsewhere in the world don’t have manual options in the US. At least when I have a manual it means no one can steal the car. It can go the other way around too - manual Golf R is North America only
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A pantech truck decided to reverse into me at the traffic lights at lunch today. Lucky I had my eyes on it and got into reverse and laid on the horn. Only bent up my personalized plate and it's protector. Don't seem to see anything amiss behind the scenes, and front bar still straight, not light damage. Fingers crossed tomorrow when I get under it I don't see any hidden bent bits. Got all their details and it's a company truck so they were fine with everything, didn't even hear me on the horn apparently or the crunch, but for sure heard me calling them all of my favourite probatable words out my window. I think one of the guys in the truck was the manager of the companys local office so I might also try and hit him up for one of their car batteries. after all my shits fixed.
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BigPaddy posted:Even cars that have manual options elsewhere in the world don’t have manual options in the US. At least when I have a manual it means no one can steal the car. Think of how many cars you could steal if anyone drove manual
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EvenWorseOpinions posted:Think of how many cars you could steal if anyone drove manual You wouldn't download a car!
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I've driven every flavor of Ram from the last two generations of 1/2 ton Dodge pickup for work. Only one had the rotary shifter, and my guy walked me through it before I ran the route. loving hated it, almost as much as when Ford decided to get weird with the F-series blinker controls. That one, the dude called me up after I ran the route with it the first day to ask, "Hey. I forgot to tell you about the blinkers. Did you figure them out?" Not what the route looked like, not if he had to modify his orders, not if his stale was high, but if I figured out the blinkers. Now I forget if it was Ford or Dodge, but they had a knob next to the integrated trailer brake control that you jogged left to reverse and right to go forward. It returned to center when released, which applied the brakes. Neat feature, but I wouldn't want to use it if you didn't know how to back a trailer in the first place. Took me a day of loving with it, but it did work pretty well. IIRC, you had to have a trailer attached and put it in reverse to activate.
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As I recall, the lever never clicks up or down to turn on the indicators. A brief push up or down would signal 3-5 times for lane changes, or you held it up or down for longer to set it for a turn. Edit: either way it returns to center.
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Darchangel posted:As I recall, the lever never clicks up or down to turn on the indicators. A brief push up or down would signal 3-5 times for lane changes, or you held it up or down for longer to set it for a turn. My BMW does that and everyone but me hates it. It think it's neat, reminds me of riding a motorcycle! (though it's a tap for pass, push slightly further for it to click and turn on) Though, yes, I had to explain turn signals to my mother when she drove my car.
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Isn't that fairly standard these days? My wife's 2016 Renegade has that feature - tap it for the lane change and go for the click if you're going to turn. Small sample size but between that and my '19 Dodge, I can safely say that every car has had that since 2016 and beyond. I will link my research and my onlyfans page in the comments section
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Flyinglemur posted:Isn't that fairly standard these days? My wife's 2016 Renegade has that feature - tap it for the lane change and go for the click if you're going to turn. Small sample size but between that and my '19 Dodge, I can safely say that every car has had that since 2016 and beyond. I will link my research and my onlyfans page in the comments section How BMW (and presumably Ford) does it, there is no click. The stalk always returns to center, and the determining factor in whether you signal 3-5 for lane changes or keep signaling is how long/far you pushed the stalk. It's maddening.
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KozmoNaut posted:How BMW (and presumably Ford) does it, there is no click. The stalk always returns to center, and the determining factor in whether you signal 3-5 for lane changes or keep signaling is how long/far you pushed the stalk. That is insane to me. What the gently caress. 
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KozmoNaut posted:How BMW (and presumably Ford) does it, there is no click. The stalk always returns to center, and the determining factor in whether you signal 3-5 for lane changes or keep signaling is how long/far you pushed the stalk. I mean, there's a click in my BMW, but it does return to center. You half tap it in either direction to cancel. If you full tap it, it signals in the other direction. Like I said, I like it.  Boaz MacPhereson posted:That is insane to me. What the gently caress. Like a motorcycle!
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KozmoNaut posted:How BMW (and presumably Ford) does it, there is no click. The stalk always returns to center, and the determining factor in whether you signal 3-5 for lane changes or keep signaling is how long/far you pushed the stalk. Look at FCS/Stellantis/Whatever outengineering the Germans AGAIN.
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Flyinglemur posted:Isn't that fairly standard these days? My wife's 2016 Renegade has that feature - tap it for the lane change and go for the click if you're going to turn. That feature is fine. I think the Ford system they are describing does not lock in the up or down position to stay on, but always returns to center. If you want to lock the turn signal on, you have to hold it up there for a couple of seconds. Presumably they did this to save 34 cents on two injection-molded plastic latches. e: leaving post windows open for hours again like a noob
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KozmoNaut posted:How BMW (and presumably Ford) does it, there is no click. The stalk always returns to center, and the determining factor in whether you signal 3-5 for lane changes or keep signaling is how long/far you pushed the stalk. they added this poo poo to the new BRZ it's the only thing I actually dislike about it so far
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Uthor posted:Like a motorcycle! Like a lovely motorcycle  A good motorcycle turn signal you push left to signal left, right to signal right, and push in to cancel. It does not auto-cancel and there is no three-blink lane change indicator because that's a superfluous feature. The control is completely deterministic and always does what you expect. Hell, even the one on my 50-year-old Honda is better, and it's literally just a 3 position switch that you have to slide to the center position to cancel. Still better than a modal switch that detects how long you hold it and does a different function. ugh
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BraveUlysses posted:they added this poo poo to the new BRZ Perhaps you can swap the stalk?
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KozmoNaut posted:How BMW (and presumably Ford) does it, there is no click. The stalk always returns to center, and the determining factor in whether you signal 3-5 for lane changes or keep signaling is how long/far you pushed the stalk. My 21 F150 has a click for the turn signal. It works like every other car I've ever had. I guess they went back at some point?
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KozmoNaut posted:How BMW (and presumably Ford) does it, there is no click. The stalk always returns to center, and the determining factor in whether you signal 3-5 for lane changes or keep signaling is how long/far you pushed the stalk. My 2007 MINI Cooper S was the same and it sucked. BMW must have realised this and ditched it at some point because my 2015 118i and 2017 320i have gone back to traditional style stalks.
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Sagebrush posted:Like a lovely motorcycle My new bike has auto cancel, I never thought I'd want or need it but it works perfectly and I love it.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:My 2007 MINI Cooper S was the same and it sucked. BMW must have realised this and ditched it at some point because my 2015 118i and 2017 320i have gone back to traditional style stalks. Rented the Mini SUV 2 years ago and it still had the hosed up blinkers.
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BlackMK4 posted:Perhaps you can swap the stalk? maybe? I'll deal with it because the rest of the car is so great and fun to drive
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BraveUlysses posted:they added this poo poo to the new BRZ Ooh did you get a new one? Probably not the thread for it but I'd read a goon take on it. Hell we might have enough people in here for a 86/brz: it's like a Miata or s2000 but isn't thread.
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