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Tell me where the combat gays touched you Vasukhani posted:https://ria.ru/20211217/bezopasnost-1764226189.html Welp, goodbye Ukraine. No way the Baltics or Poland would ever agree to this. Paladinus posted:Polish defence minister now claims the soldier had problems with the law and shouldn't have been at the border in the first place, and was about to be discharged anyway. Either he murdered/raped someone or got caught selling classified information. Can't imagine any other reason why someone would flee to Belarus except to avoid >5 years in prison.
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Vasukhani posted:https://ria.ru/20211217/bezopasnost-1764226189.html And in return... They'll stop invading their neighbors?
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Paladinus posted:Polish defence minister now claims the soldier had problems with the law and shouldn't have been at the border in the first place, and was about to be discharged anyway. The minister forgot to also add “he was gay, btw”.
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GABA ghoul posted:Either he murdered/raped someone or got caught selling classified information. Can't imagine any other reason why someone would flee to Belarus except to avoid >5 years in prison. There was an American dude some years ago who applied for asylum in North Korea. If I remember correctly, they didn't take him in. cinci zoo sniper posted:The minister forgot to also add “he was gay, btw”. My first thought. I'm surprised they didn't go with the classic Russian method of discharging him 2 weeks prior.
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Dec 17, 2021 13:07
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He feared that there'd be another Lou Bega concert
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mobby_6kl posted:And in return... They'll stop invading their neighbors? Who said anything about "reciprocation"? After all, Russia is merely an agency-less automaton, acting as the international system requires, she can't make any promises.
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Individual soldiers doing something very stupid is kinda not super surprising. Usually it involves marrying a stripper or a taking a bad loan on a car.
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GABA ghoul posted:Welp, goodbye Ukraine. No way the Baltics or Poland would ever agree to this. If this is what is required for Russia to feel safe it implies a number of wars beyond Ukraine.
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steinrokkan posted:That set is giving me serious 90s public TV flashbacks Those ugly armchairs, that even uglier tablecloth, those random plants Notice the scratches on the wall. It's probably some military guy's office they're doing it in.
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Yeah, he didn't even had a chance to take a shower or anything. They started filming as soon as they could.
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The soldier now says Polish border guards murdered two activists who tried to help refugees at the border, and he personally saw them execute one by shooting them in the forehead. I get blaming Polish government and military command for the deaths of migrants at the border, but I haven't heard anything about missing activists. E: Polish media seem to spread different versions of why the soldier decided to desert and his alleged problems with the law. Some say he claim he had a DUI, and some go as far as saying he assaulted his own mother. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Dec 17, 2021 |
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Bye bye TVN.
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Those demands are so obviously bad faith it's funny
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Paladinus posted:The soldier now says Polish border guards murdered two activists who tried to help refugees at the border, and he personally saw them execute one by shooting them in the forehead. So turns out this part could have been a mistranslation (of course, it's impossible to find someone who speaks Polish fluently right next to the Polish border). He might have meant that activists were not shot, but beaten, which was reported by Polish news media, so nothing new here.
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Halborn posted:Bye bye TVN. poo poo’s unraveling as fast as Qaddafi’s rule, I guess PiS went with the atomic option.
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Today Russia's approval on what kind of and how many troops can exist in the Baltic states, tomorrow the privilege of naming next coalition governments. I know where Putin can stick his demands.
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Normally to send demands like that you have to have had an Archduke assassinated or something.
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Tigey posted:Normally to send demands like that you have to have had an Archduke assassinated or something. Da, we can arrange this! 
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A bit of Finnish academic perspective...STT posted:Russia's demands to NATO and the United States on Friday increased the likelihood of war against Ukraine and reduced the likelihood of finding a peaceful solution, said Tuomas Forsberg, director of the University of Helsinki's Collegium for Advanced Studies and professor of international politics. He says the “utopia” of Friday’s list of requirements has changed his assessment of the situation.
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Maybe they can make a trade, Ukraine gets to join nato while cuba and Venezuela get to have massive Chinese/Russian military bases and nukes and missile platforms.
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Al-Saqr posted:Maybe they can make a trade, Ukraine gets to join nato while cuba and Venezuela get to have massive Chinese/Russian military bases and nukes and missile platforms. "Upper Volta with rockets."
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This Russia analyst suggests that USA should provide F-15 and F-16 fighters to Ukraine along with conversion training to Ukrainian pilots, analogously to the 100 F-4 Phantom II fighters delivered to Israel during the Yom Kippur war. https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2021/12/16/military_aid_for_ukraine_deterring_russia_promptly_808177.html quote:Military Aid for Ukraine: Deterring Russia Promptly
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GABA ghoul posted:Tell me where the combat gays touched you There's at least one American hiding in Belarus because he was part of the January 6 insurrection so yes, it's a good place to evade prosecution it seems.
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At least until the Russians decide that they have enough US weirdos for propaganda purposes now
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aphid_licker posted:At least until the Russians decide that they have enough US weirdos for propaganda purposes now Remember when Putin appointed Steven Seagal as a special envoy to USA to improve ties in 2018? Good times 
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Either the moth is going all in with escalating as a bluff further freaking everyone out about a country with nukes going insane and strategically damaging relationships with the last russia-understanders left, or he and the other insane military grandpas want to attack a 40 million people "brotherly nation" with a dug in military. Both options seem pretty loving dumb
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My view is that Putin is not likely to over commit if he attacks. The war with Georgia lasted less than two weeks and invasion of Crimea was also quickly over. Meanwhile Russia has officially kept distance from east Ukrainian separatists. A full invasion of Ukraine would seem excessive and unpredictable move in comparison. Hybrid operations are more typical of Russia. Huge force concentrations help in this because Ukrainians can't be sure where the blow comes from and can't stretch everywhere. I'm just not sure what the goal of a limited invasion would be. Western sanctions and other reactions wouldn't make small tactical maneuvers worth it, might as well go all in. Or at least claim that you want to "pacify" Ukraine and end a genocide by "liberating" eastern Ukraine and a bit more. Maybe advance near Kyiv to increase pressure on Ukrainian government. This assumes that Kremlin has analyzed the situation correctly and Putin is acting rationally. They could be acting on wrong data and Putin might be trying to build an empire as a testament for his career based on his personal beliefs of where history is destined to go. So who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Nenonen posted:I'm just not sure what the goal of a limited invasion would be. Mariupul and access to the Dnieper to provide water to Crimea before summer. Also demonstrates the Zelensky government is impotent and his Western backers won't lift a finger to protect Ukraine.
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Mariupol is the industrial heart of Ukraine a week long conflict to take this would be sweeping as it could crack Ukrainian GDP and cause a lot of unrest because the government would have to do serious budget cuts. So Russian may be able to say hey look our pensions are so much better at 30,000 rubles a month instead of 10,000 rubles a month come join the federation! Or some other nonsense propaganda that will be bought by hungry people. Taking this city by itself is a victory as it's industry can power the tiny country of Novo Russia. -- " German Economics Minister Habeck threatens Russia to end the #NordStream2 gas pipeline in case an attack on Ukraine. Minister sees a pipe as fundamentally a geopolitical mistake. Any further military aggression could not be without severe consequences " " More Russian military units have been sent to the border area in recent days, sources tell CNN. US and Ukrainian officials have also seen evidence that Russia has begun diverting commercial air and rail systems to support the military effort " Russia is now cracking down on pro Ukrainian pro Nazis cells in the south west. A key feature needed to or vent sabotage as the main army moves forward. Every day this feels a lot more likely to happen. Now Germany is threatening to cancel Nord 2, the will it be a bluff or a serious threat? Russian bombers also patrolled the polish Ukrainian border today. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Dec 19, 2021 |
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The Lou Bega concert going fine. https://twitter.com/_6BPD_/status/1467573860186865665
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It's what we'd least expect!
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Well Nazis massed their troops on Soviet border and Soviet spies were accurately informing Stalin about their intentions and Hitler had written a best seller about his desire to grab living space from Russia and wipe out communism, naturally it became as a complete shock when they crossed the border.
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Nenonen posted:Well Nazis massed their troops on Soviet border and Soviet spies were accurately informing Stalin about their intentions and Hitler had written a best seller about his desire to grab living space from Russia and wipe out communism, naturally it became as a complete shock when they crossed the border. "Hitler couldn't possibly be that stupid" is close to what Stalin said if I recall my history correctly
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Nenonen posted:Well Nazis massed their troops on Soviet border and Soviet spies were accurately informing Stalin about their intentions and Hitler had written a best seller about his desire to grab living space from Russia and wipe out communism, naturally it became as a complete shock when they crossed the border. In case it's not clear, I'm highlighting the silliness of those ITT who conflate any comparison to Nazi belligerence with saying that Putin is literally Hitler, at the same time as they argue that Putin should be allowed to subjugate Ukraine. aphid_licker posted:Fundamentally there's no good way to sneakily deploy a gigantic army with all the logistics poo poo and field hospitals and gigantic stashes of fuel and ammo
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Al-Saqr posted:Why would the Russians invade the exact places and times the world press is already claiming they will? Exact probably won't happen, but if Ukrainian intel (or whatever other source they have for that) is good, and an invasion actually happens, the dates and locations likely will not differ all that much: when you have this many forces deployed, with a large number of support assets, and you're operating on a front this large, and against fortifications and urban centres, you will have a large supply and support footprint and a pressing need for good coordination. This is not something that can be changed on a whim; once an army is committed, it's not easy to suddenly reboot it for a new plan. You can make small changes that have no impact on neighbouring units, you can move things to later dates (but keeping soldiers battle-ready for weeks or months costs money, so there's a limit to that), but that's about it.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:"Hitler couldn't possibly be that stupid" is close to what Stalin said if I recall my history correctly "It's fine, send him some more oil"
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Cugel the Clever posted:What about underground??? Checkmate, NATO-ite! But then you would have to fight the Hollow Earth NATO to get through.
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