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Mister Speaker posted:TRON 2 had zero substance but it was hands-down the most intense audiovisual spectacle I've ever witnessed. Saw it in IMAX 3D, in the theatre's sweet spot. It's the loudest movie ever, and the 3D treatment was shockingly immersive. My legs were shaking when I left the theatre. I saw it in regular theater 3D. I think I can't see 3D properly because of my glasses or something because it mostly just looked like a normal film to me, only dark. sebmojo posted:It's the novel equivalent of a walking sim I've heard Night in the Woods called a walking sim so apparently I fuckin love walking sims and need to read this book?? I've never actually read any Clarke.
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Dec 15, 2021 20:36
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I’m a big Clarke fan (he’s my fav of “the big 3”) and my top books of his are “Childhood’s End”, “Songs of Distant Earth” and “Rendezvous with Rama”. “Fountains of Paradise” is also up there. Do not watch the Childhood’s End miniseries that aired a couple years back I beg of you.
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Dec 15, 2021 20:45
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Clarke makes Niven look filmable and character-driven. I'm kind of surprised that we haven't seen Niven adaptations yet, but the guy is both alive and is a cranky libertarian from money, so they'd probably have to bargain with him and he would want a giant bucket of money.
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Dec 15, 2021 21:01
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The first Rama book is not really that horny, but the subsequent ones get weird. Like, heart-exploding STDs weird. Still good, though.
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Dec 15, 2021 21:56
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Bubblyblubber posted:The first Rama book is not really that horny, but the subsequent ones get weird. Yah the first one just has one sentence in the end how the cosmonauts are having a post mission gently caress fest which is incredibly tame by Clarke’s later standards. The later Rama books were mostly written by Gentry Lee, with Clarke providing “big ideas” and more importantly allowing his name to be slapped on there  I like them too though, Nicole is a good character. She goes through quite the lifetime!
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Dec 15, 2021 22:07
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Nessus posted:Clarke makes Niven look filmable and character-driven. I'd kill for a good adaptation of The Mote in Gods Eye
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Dec 15, 2021 22:49
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Shaddak posted:I'd kill for a good adaptation of The Mote in Gods Eye I think I heard that Amazon had the rights to Ringworld or something, but they have such a queue of money pit sci fi/fantasy shows I can't imagine they're getting to that soon.
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Dec 15, 2021 23:13
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Fuschia tude posted:I saw it in regular theater 3D. I think I can't see 3D properly because of my glasses or something because it mostly just looked like a normal film to me, only dark. I mean I liked it a lot when I read it, uh, 40 years ago but I can't remember anything that happens in it apart from wandering around looking at cool alien poo poo and going... Huh
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Dec 15, 2021 23:24
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sebmojo posted:I mean I liked it a lot when I read it, uh, 40 years ago but I can't remember anything that happens in it apart from wandering around looking at cool alien poo poo and going... Huh Sounds perfect for Villenueve
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Dec 16, 2021 00:48
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I can't wait to see this chump gently caress up Rendezvous with Rama. At least there aren't really any characters in this one so you don't have to cut anything out
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Dec 16, 2021 01:13
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sebmojo posted:I mean I liked it a lot when I read it, uh, 40 years ago but I can't remember anything that happens in it apart from wandering around looking at cool alien poo poo and going... Huh I loved Myst as a kid so Rendezvous with Rama was right up my alley. I tried to read the second one but couldn't get into it though, which is probably for the best since I hear they got weird.
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Dec 16, 2021 01:16
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Coxswain Balls posted:I loved Myst as a kid so Rendezvous with Rama was right up my alley. I tried to read the second one but couldn't get into it though, which is probably for the best since I hear they got weird. The later Rama novels are not dissimilar to Heretics and Chapterhouse in that they're both weird and horny
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Dec 16, 2021 01:27
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Colonel Cancer posted:I can't wait to see this chump gently caress up Rendezvous with Rama. At least there aren't really any characters in this one so you don't have to cut anything out It will probably be really good, I agree with you.
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Dec 16, 2021 01:41
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Can't be worse than the book
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Dec 16, 2021 01:54
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Mister Speaker posted:TRON 2 had zero substance but it was hands-down the most intense audiovisual spectacle I've ever witnessed. Saw it in IMAX 3D, in the theatre's sweet spot. It's the loudest movie ever, and the 3D treatment was shockingly immersive. My legs were shaking when I left the theatre. This but Gravity
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Dec 16, 2021 02:14
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Nessus posted:Clarke makes Niven look filmable and character-driven. Remind me that there's a history going back to TAS of the Kzinti almost being in Star Trek. (after a TAS episode that was basically The Soft Weapon adapted to Star Trek)
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Dec 16, 2021 02:25
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sebmojo posted:I mean I liked it a lot when I read it, uh, 40 years ago but I can't remember anything that happens in it apart from wandering around looking at cool alien poo poo and going... Huh It's been a while since I've read it as well, but that's basically it. I enjoy Rama for what it is, but there's only one actual character in the book, and that's Rama itself. All the humans as very archetypal 1950's straight-laced scientists who are there to Look At Stuff and overcome various challenges in order to Look At More Stuff.
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Dec 16, 2021 02:29
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There were cool scheming Mercury train people whomst KSR later ripped off
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Dec 16, 2021 02:32
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Colonel Cancer posted:There were cool scheming Mercury train people whomst KSR later ripped off Aha! That's interesting. I think Mercury Trains have shown up in two, possibly four unrelated KSR universes, so I think he's basically daring readers to make something of it at this point.
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Dec 16, 2021 02:55
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Tree Bucket posted:Aha! That's interesting. I've always assumed everything KSR wrote is in the same universe, but I haven't read it all  Mars, Aurora and that time Mercury's train people got nuked are all definitely on the same timeline.
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Dec 16, 2021 02:57
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Colonel Cancer posted:I've always assumed everything KSR wrote is in the same universe, but I haven't read it all I'm pretty sure they're all separate. Mars was written in the 90's and is really optimistic and has colonists releasing dolphins on the red planet, as humanity expands into the solar system and beyond. Aurora was written a lot more recently and is 500 pages of ecosystems winding down and collapsing under the weight of their own poisons; and when people go to Mars, they discover that the dirt explodes if you get it wet.
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Dec 16, 2021 03:12
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Tree Bucket posted:I'm pretty sure they're all separate. Mars was written in the 90's and is really optimistic and has colonists releasing dolphins on the red planet, as humanity expands into the solar system and beyond. Aurora was written a lot more recently and is 500 pages of ecosystems winding down and collapsing under the weight of their own poisons; and when people go to Mars, they discover that the dirt explodes if you get it wet. Loved Aurora, probably in the top 5 books for me rn, but I'm pretty sure they mentioned Mars in there too. The timeline might be a little fucky though
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Dec 16, 2021 03:21
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KSR freely reuses a lot of ideas/names/concepts (like the moving city Terminator on Mercury, computers are called Pauline, if a character is named Frank he's a liar) but has never tried to make them all fit a single timeline, and has said he has no interest in doing so. Mars Trilogy / 2312 / Aurora (and NY2140) have little enough temporal overlap (and enough rough similarities in the setting) that you could imagine them happening in the same universe, but they definitely don't. There are lots of details that don't match up. I went digging, here's the quote (specifically about Mars / 2312): KSR posted:...I don't like linking up my various projects into one larger future history. I've never done it, and so of course now it's too late, and I don't regret it. I don't see that the advantages of some larger macro-history are very large, compared to the flexibility that I've gained by making each novel have its own future history. Even within my Mars stories there are a couple alternative historical lines to the main one described in the trilogy. I think it's best to keep on updating one's views on what is "most likely to happen," and write accordingly. And doing it this way means each time I have a chance to invent a whole new history, and even if they are somewhat similar, there's still a lot of pleasure to be had there in the details. So all his works end up loosely connected, and respond to each other, reusing/updating/dropping details and ideas instead of trying to contort new stuff to make it fit with the old. It's cool, you get to watch his ideas about a whole bunch of topics evolve as the decades go on. I'm actually in the middle of rereading 1984's Icehenge, which includes starships inevitable failure of the onboard ecology is a main plot point, Martian revolutions failed/terraforming much slower, longevity treatments, etc. Lots of overlap, but lots of unique parts too. Prolonged Panorama fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Dec 16, 2021 03:22
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Prolonged Panorama posted:KSR freely reuses a lot of ideas/names/concepts (like the moving city Terminator on Mercury, computers are called Pauline, if a character is named Frank he's a liar) but has never tried to make them all fit a single timeline, and has said he has no interest in doing so. 
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Dec 16, 2021 03:26
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The Years of Rice and Salt is another KSR book that's a good match for this thread, with a lot of really interesting looks at Islam. I can't tell if he's just writing surface-level things in a way that sounds impressive, or if he actually knows his stuff though...
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Dec 16, 2021 05:52
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KSR is a pretty serious literary guy, I think he does his research and is self aware enough to not treat other cultures recklessly. He scratches a different itch for me than DUNC/Herbert does, but there's a good amount of overlap - big themes of ecology and environment, science, history, the human relationship to the landscape (in particular). I think KSR's 1997 Antarctica is a tolerable Dune companion - a mix of near-future adventure/science/crisis and true history, set in a (lovingly rendered) extreme environment, with themes of resource extraction, eco-sabotage, and hidden societies. No knife-fighting or (non-legal) battles, but there's moments of action and long sequences of tense/brutal/beautiful wilderness survival (some of it completely true - the early exploration of Antarctica was insane). The scope is smaller, the stakes are lower, but the background is the renegotiation of the Antarctic Treaty - who gets to use this continent, and how? We see all the factions (from scientists to laborers to multinational corporations and more) and what they're fighting for. Oh, and it has storms. And coffee.
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Dec 16, 2021 08:30
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Prolonged Panorama posted:Oh, and it has storms. And coffee. EDIT: You can't edit a post with an attached image to timg it? 
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Dec 16, 2021 09:06
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Tree Bucket posted:The Years of Rice and Salt is another KSR book that's a good match for this thread, with a lot of really interesting looks at Islam. I can't tell if he's just writing surface-level things in a way that sounds impressive, or if he actually knows his stuff though... Years of Rice and Salt is a FANTASTIC book everyone should read it.
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Dec 16, 2021 11:56
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the only KSR ive read was The Memory of Whiteness, which i think is one of his earliest books and its a weird story about a composer going on a tour of the solar system in a sort of organ/synth-spaceship and an orchestra and some media people. at one point the tour stops on mars where there are some hints of what he would later develop in the red/green/blue mars trilogy. its kind of a meandering book without much conflict other than some sort of hints of conspiracies and cults, but also fairly short. i dont think it would make for a great movie, but i enjoyed reading it.
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Dec 16, 2021 19:57
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Fuschia tude posted:EDIT: You can't edit a post with an attached image to timg it?
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Dec 16, 2021 20:08
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The Bloop posted:the attachment system is rear end just use imgur it's rear end too nowadays
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Dec 16, 2021 23:58
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Naw it's fine.
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Dec 17, 2021 01:01
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It's got a few quirks in that if you preview a post the attachment doesn't get attached (it only happens when you post it), but otherwise it's fine. When imgur eventually pulls a imageshack after imgur recently got acquired by some other media company, I expect more people will start using it.
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Dec 17, 2021 07:49
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well this thing is terrible at generating the savior of mankind.
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Dec 19, 2021 01:19
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:It's got a few quirks in that if you preview a post the attachment doesn't get attached (it only happens when you post it), but otherwise it's fine. I mean you also can't post with multiple images, with text after or between images, or really edit the drat thing. It's pretty limited as it stands. Hopefully someday it will be much more robust
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Dec 19, 2021 07:08
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The Bloop posted:I mean you also can't post with multiple images, with text after or between images, or really edit the drat thing. It's pretty limited as it stands. Hopefully someday it will be much more robust
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Dec 19, 2021 12:59
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I think it might be not the worst idea to add it to a thread about issues on SA in the TECH subforum, or create a thread for it? Astral has talked about it. It's on the list but after all the things that are on fire, broken, or held up with load bearing slurs (this last one is real)
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Dec 19, 2021 15:15
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Jewmanji posted:It’s just been announced that Villeneuve is set to direct Rendezvous with Rama. I hope that doesn’t mean that Messiah is off the table That surprised me. Seems like a really difficult book to adapt. But it's been years since I read it.
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The Bloop posted:held up with load bearing slurs (this last one is real) I'm curious but do I even want to know
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