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Just got out of NWH. I was very surprised that they were able to pull off the kind of plot they set up, but they managed to do it. spoilers below I definitely did not expect them to kill off Aunt May like that. That was the only thing that caught me off guard. I wasn’t sure how well integrating the other two Parkers in would work, but it ended up working out. I did kind of expect the OG Peter to die when he got stabbed by Norman though. You could see that coming, but I thought it was going to actually kill him and not just be the kind of thing you shrug off. It did seem like the goal of this movie was to disconnect Peter from the Stark/Avengers stuff more. Plus they cleared the deck for whatever they end up doing in a fourth film, other than that tease of the symbiote. Which to me indicates maybe some version of the black suit arc?
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Something I thought was goofy was how in a scene where all three were lined up Tobey and Tom were the same height while Andrew towered over both.
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Dec 19, 2021 01:18
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Y'know what would've really made the mid-credits stinger sing? Jake Johnson as Peter B Parker hanging out and doing shots with Venom
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Dec 19, 2021 01:42
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Lobok posted:About the second thing, I don't get why he was there...? This confuses me especially about Electro.
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Dec 19, 2021 02:51
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:This confuses me especially about Electro.
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Dec 19, 2021 02:53
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I think it’s best to go with those universes are similar too but not exactly the ones from the old movies. Probably the same things they’ll do with the Netflix stuff. Keeps it simpler and answers stuff like that
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Dec 19, 2021 03:17
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It could be, but they spent awhile having the villains who knew each other from earlier films talking about the events of those films and that seems very intentional.
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Dec 19, 2021 03:23
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After thinking about it, it's honestly incredibly weird that the movie's biggest moment of emotional catharsis is inextricably tied to having seen Amazing Spider-Man 2, the worst movie in the history of this character, and will completely fall flat for anyone who hasn't done that. That's not a complaint, it worked like gangbusters for me and my audience, it's just a weird thing to think about.
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There's a big emotional moment during Endgame tied to Thor: The Dark World of all things, so it's not exactly unprecedented
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Arist posted:After thinking about it, it's honestly incredibly weird that the movie's biggest moment of emotional catharsis is inextricably tied to having seen Amazing Spider-Man 2, the worst movie in the history of this character, and will completely fall flat for anyone who hasn't done that. That's not a complaint, it worked like gangbusters for me and my audience, it's just a weird thing to think about. I hadn't seen either Garfield movie (or either of the prior Holland ones) and the MJ catch held up for me, I guess because I put together that the death of 'his MJ' was presumably a Gwen drop. the weirdest thing for me was that they jumped through a lot of hoops to do a Spider-Verse without having a Miles or Ghost Spider show up.
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Dec 19, 2021 03:36
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Retro Futurist posted:I think it’s best to go with those universes are similar too but not exactly the ones from the old movies. Probably the same things they’ll do with the Netflix stuff. Keeps it simpler and answers stuff like that I guess we can tell that the universes aren't exactly the same because if the Dr. Octopus we knew actually was 'ported in, he'd have been shirtless and soaking wet and wearing a different hairstyle 
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Saw NWH earlier today. Some thoughts: They did a fantastic job making all of the villains seem terrifying in a way I don't think the their original movies quite pulled off. Doc Oc pulling cars through the bridge was genuinely scary. Defoe was fantastic, but we already knew that. Also he does a loving SICK spinebuster on Spider-Man. I'm glad Garfield got a lot of play. He's a way better actor than the ASM movies let him be. Him saving MJ was a great moment. Maguire was good too, and I enjoy his chill. I also enjoyed Garfield and Holland questioning him about the organic webshooters. I loved the fight with Dr. Strange! Lots of great bits in there, but that's not too surprising. I'm not sure how I feel about the ending being a big ol' reset. I can definitely understand wanting to move him to a more classic Spider-Man feel, but I generally enjoyed Spider-Man feeling like part of the high-tech MCU. No Miles. 0/10 do not recommend!!!!!
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Endless Mike posted:Saw NWH earlier today. Some thoughts: I'm glad that they are moving him more away from the Stark stuff, because while at the time I thought that was OK in something like Homecoming, it was more of a weight in Far From Home, and it's better that they go back to separating some of the Spider-Man related stuff so he can kind of do his own thing. I also want to shout out how much I continue to appreciate Cumberbatch as Strange. He's way too good in that role, and I never thought I would give two shits about that character but he has consistently managed to pull it off.
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One of my favorite moments was the teachers he saved from the previous movies making Pete a display case. They both owe him their lives and I wish they had more scenes. It makes me wonder how MJ could have her necklace after the spell, is that display case is still there with a guy nobody recognizes all over it. The last time Aunt may died Spider-Man made a deal with the Devil, got her back, and just got to be single. Now his aunt may dies and his girlfriend and best friend has no memory? What kind Superman 2 gip is that? People like to say OMIT was the worst Spider-Man story. I think one of the stupidest storylines was when he got too drunk at a wedding avoiding Mary Jane and banged his roommate…only for the writers to immediately back track and say that he was drinking non-alcoholic beer the whole time, and that they didn’t have sex, making it worse. The letters page was not happy with that.
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NWH spoilers I assume that thanks to magic, those things were replaced by whatever was in the case before that. I also have to assume that the Mysterio video where he blames Peter for his death must have ceased to exist If I have one real complaint about the movie, it's that the initial stuff with Peter and Damage Control coming down on him doesn't really go anywhere and seemed like something that could have been cut out.
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I sort of wish they'd waited a week to do the Kingpin reveal on Hawkeye. Matt showing up was still kind of a surprise but it definitely took the wind out of it a bit
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Yo, NWH was great. As someone who is officially tired of the MCU since Endgame, this did everything right. Except it did have an MCU fight scene where two guys standing in place still need to get three cuts for every move. It's nice to remember that Spider-Man is the best hero of all.
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Retro Futurist posted:
Reading YouTube comments of the Garfield movies there's a lot of people who grew up with this being their Spider-Man. It isn't his fault the director was crap and the studio didn't know what the gently caress they were doing, and it was clear with this movie that gave him resources to shine, he can do good in this role. I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of this Spidey, even if it means seeing a bit darker side. In fact I think a Garfield, older Spidey would be a good fit for an eventual Kraven's Last Hunt film
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I know it would never happen, but I would kill for a Spider-man tv series, cause I just want to see more and more of what this movie set up and a 2 hour movie isn't enough. Hell, I'd kill for another decent animated series.
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FlamingLiberal posted:NWH spoilers He was let off the hook but his identity being revealed was still affecting his friends. It seemed like the story wanted to get him out of trouble so that his desire for the mindwipe spell didn't seem selfish. JT Smiley posted:I know it would never happen, but I would kill for a Spider-man tv series, cause I just want to see more and more of what this movie set up and a 2 hour movie isn't enough. Hell, I'd kill for another decent animated series. Well it won't be about where he is at the end of this movie but there is another animated series coming. It will be set before he met Stark, when he was doing the Spider-Man thing on his own in the beginning.
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lol 250 million opening in a pandemic. https://twitter.com/THR/status/1472242240726650889
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Karma Tornado posted:I hadn't seen either Garfield movie (or either of the prior Holland ones) and the MJ catch held up for me, I guess because I put together that the death of 'his MJ' was presumably a Gwen drop. the weirdest thing for me was that they jumped through a lot of hoops to do a Spider-Verse without having a Miles or Ghost Spider show up. There's about a 1000% chance Miles will show up in one of the alleged 3 forthcoming Holland/MCU Spidey movies, which is reason enough to keep him out of this one. Emma Stone showing up as Ghost Spider would have been a funny way to screw with Garfield-Peter, though.
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hcreight posted:There's about a 1000% chance Miles will show up in one of the alleged 3 forthcoming Holland/MCU Spidey movies, which is reason enough to keep him out of this one. Emma Stone showing up as Ghost Spider would have been a funny way to screw with Garfield-Peter, though. Man just have her keep calling the Lizard "Peter" the whole time too just to really gently caress with him
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Just from a business standpoint, I think keeping a character like Miles out of the movie is smarter because they already had lots of big draws with other Spider-Men and their villains, and Strange, and the implications it had for the rest of the MCU. When they want to use him in live action -- whenever that is because they seem to have a good thing going with the animated films -- it will be a card they can play to get butts in seats. Same with Venom. Or maybe they're thinking that after Holland they'll use Miles Morales as the next Spider-Man but I don't know that gels with the license agreement they have with Marvel.
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Hello yes I haven't seen NWH and I have no emotional stake in superhero films but IMO they should've ended the movie with Vindicated 
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With MJ and Ned out of the picture(for now), I wonder if they use this as a chance to introduce a MCU Gwen Stacy? Of course, if you bring her in, do you just have her be normal Gwen or go full Ghost Spider?
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Rhonne posted:With MJ and Ned out of the picture(for now), I wonder if they use this as a chance to introduce a MCU Gwen Stacy? Of course, if you bring her in, do you just have her be normal Gwen or go full Ghost Spider? This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking.
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Lobok posted:lol, apparently the 2nd unit shooting scenes in New York operated under the working title Serenity Now. Can confirm, I live right down the street from Happy's place. And Peter Pan is my vote for best donut in NYC, though Mo's Doughs, which spun off when a long-term baker didn't get the compensation he wanted, is a very close second, and taking plastic, shorter lines, and the lack of performatively rude staff means I usually go there instead.
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Holy hell, apparently Dafoe insisted on doing his own stunts and fight scenes. I mean I'm sure he had a double for some of it, but as least some of those brutal rear end fights were him
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Retro Futurist posted:Holy hell, apparently Dafoe insisted on doing his own stunts and fight scenes. I mean I'm sure he had a double for some of it, but as least some of those brutal rear end fights were him He's big into yoga and is a remarkably physical guy, I'm sure he could manage a surprising amount of it.
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Rhonne posted:With MJ and Ned out of the picture(for now), I wonder if they use this as a chance to introduce a MCU Gwen Stacy? Of course, if you bring her in, do you just have her be normal Gwen or go full Ghost Spider? Regarding the second point you will never see regular Gwen Stacy in a movie again. At this point that character is just "girlfriend who dies to make hero sad" and we've moved so far beyond that. Even if they wanted to do it (they don't) they've already done Peter being sad over people dying in front of him, twice, plus killing her off would undercut the saving of MJ by Garfield-Man as redemption for her death in that universe. Just having her as a GF civilian would still have people waiting for her to die, even without plans to kill her. Gwen Stacy is absolutely only ever returning as Spider-Gwen/Ghost Spider.
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I did think it was funny how in the course of "fixing" all the characters they also took the time to give Goblin something approximating his classic costume.
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bees x1000 posted:Hello yes I haven't seen NWH and I have no emotional stake in superhero films but IMO they should've ended the movie with Vindicated Wrong choice of song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etp8L9pbqeM
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muscles like this! posted:I did think it was funny how in the course of "fixing" all the characters they also took the time to give Goblin something approximating his classic costume.
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muscles like this! posted:I did think it was funny how in the course of "fixing" all the characters they also took the time to give Goblin something approximating his classic costume. Doc Ock and Electro also got new costumes, too bad Sandman and the Lizard didn't get anything. Not much you can do to update Sandman I guess, but it's too bad they couldn't find a giant lab coat for the Lizard.
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Parkingtigers posted:Regarding the second point you will never see regular Gwen Stacy in a movie again. At this point that character is just "girlfriend who dies to make hero sad" and we've moved so far beyond that. Even if they wanted to do it (they don't) they've already done Peter being sad over people dying in front of him, twice, plus killing her off would undercut the saving of MJ by Garfield-Man as redemption for her death in that universe. Just having her as a GF civilian would still have people waiting for her to die, even without plans to kill her. Gwen Stacy is absolutely only ever returning as Spider-Gwen/Ghost Spider. I think there's a sadly missed trick that doesn't fall into either: Ultimate Spider-Man's Gwen as basically Peter's platonic best friend. Or I guess, in the MCU, maybe Miles's given that Ganke feels like he's off the table due to Ned basically being a straight lift of the character to the point that I'm very confused as to why they used Ned Leeds as the name.
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Next Spider-Man would be a good time to introduce Black Cat
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Gaz-L posted:I think there's a sadly missed trick that doesn't fall into either: Ultimate Spider-Man's Gwen as basically Peter's platonic best friend. Or I guess, in the MCU, maybe Miles's given that Ganke feels like he's off the table due to Ned basically being a straight lift of the character to the point that I'm very confused as to why they used Ned Leeds as the name. It's so they can make him a supervillain in the next movie
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Retro Futurist posted:Holy hell, apparently Dafoe insisted on doing his own stunts and fight scenes. I mean I'm sure he had a double for some of it, but as least some of those brutal rear end fights were him I'd like to think that it's in his contract that he power bombs Tom Holland. For no other reason than he really wanted to power bomb Tom Holland.
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