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LimburgLimbo posted:There's a spectrum of authoritarianism, and different levels in different fields, and different ways of enforcing it. China is among the more open with it in most areas and can reasonably be said to be "more" authoritarian, or at the very least more openly so, than a lot of other places in for example the western world. “Authoritarianism” isn’t a useful concept for analyzing countries. In its modern form it’s just a perjorative term applied to enemies of the United States
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Dec 20, 2021 06:35
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fondly remembering an hour ago when peng shuai herself discussing the semantics of the word forced in her original post was dismissed as rape apologism
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Dec 20, 2021 06:36
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LimburgLimbo posted:This is well written and should no joke be in the CSPAM rules or something im saying literally everything a celebrity says is calculated for their public image and they do this regardless of whether government officials involved like are you under the impression that weinstein got away with raping women for so long because he was the king of california
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Dec 20, 2021 06:41
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Red and Black posted:“Authoritarianism” isn’t a useful concept for analyzing countries. In its modern form it’s just a perjorative term applied to enemies of the United States I agree it lacks nuance and has pejorative connotations, but don't know if there's a better term for it per se, which is why I went out of my way to say: LimburgLimbo posted:If your retort is "you're just saying China is authoritarian!" well, yes, I am and it is. I'm also not using authoritarian as a pejorative because it's a valid method of organizing civilizations et al. but there's good and bad parts to it. You're right that it's hard to discuss without laying down mutual understanding of the involved terms which is more effort than anyone here wants to put in, thus we get to the truth that: dead gay comedy forums posted:it is far more beneficial to all involved to simply go on and just try to put some sick burns through shitposts than trying to build some profound contextualized analysis that is impossible to satisfy any rhetorical point made by the dominant western discourse against china. at least we can then entertain ourselves LimburgLimbo has issued a correction as of 06:44 on Dec 20, 2021 |
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Dec 20, 2021 06:42
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Some Guy TT posted:im saying literally everything a celebrity says is calculated for their public image and they do this regardless of whether government officials involved "this situation would be exactly the same even if it didn't involve an extremely connected Chinese politician" is quite the take lol
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Dec 20, 2021 06:43
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do you think if peng shuai was hosed by some gross elderly dude running a corporation that sponsors her she would be any more excited to tell us the details of her sex life
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Dec 20, 2021 06:47
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The use of the word "authoritarian" doesn't have to have a pejorative intent in order to be meaningless tripe. What nation-state does not exercise its authority? And, having named one, what does that matter in regards to censorship and silencing of dissent, given that a non-interventionist state (which is a ridiculous oxymoron on its face) will instead have private interests exercising their authority in turn?
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Dec 20, 2021 06:52
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you're not as smart as you think you are liberallimbo. it's genuinely painful reading your dumbass takes on something you very clearly have made your mind up on and nothing can convince you of the Chinese not being inherently deceitful and not to be trusted.
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Dec 20, 2021 06:54
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thatfatkid posted:you're not as smart as you think you are liberallimbo. it's genuinely painful reading your dumbass takes on something you very clearly have made your mind up on and nothing can convince you of the Chinese not being inherently deceitful and not to be trusted. the last time that moron stunk this thread about was defending this insanely lovely and racist article from the nyt about china nefariously having an olympics program, like any other country https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3838460&pagenumber=840&perpage=40#post516576413 there's nothing to be gained by allowing this rear end in a top hat here lol, its not informative or interesting or engaging in any way.
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Dec 20, 2021 07:00
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His first post in the thread is about Chinese neocolonialism in Africa, he has a probe defending cops shooting 13 year olds you guys let two dumbos with wild hosed up rap sheets tut tut you about international affairs, what would president xi say
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Dec 20, 2021 07:06
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skipmyseashells posted:His first post in the thread is about Chinese neocolonialism in Africa, he has a probe defending cops shooting 13 year olds that there is absolutely nowhere on the western internet, not even in loving cspam where you can actually learn anything useful as an outsider about china that's not filtered through racist expats or derailed to uselessness by people arguing about the same lies over and over. so much for the intolerant left
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Dec 20, 2021 07:09
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Red and Black posted:“Authoritarianism” isn’t a useful concept for analyzing countries. In its modern form it’s just a perjorative term applied to enemies of the United States I really hate how my entire orthodontics course in my authoritarian state without insurance is cheaper than a $3420 1-inch stitch job in non-authoritarian america
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Dec 20, 2021 07:15
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mila kunis posted:that there is absolutely nowhere on the western internet, not even in loving cspam where you can actually learn anything useful as an outsider about china that's not filtered through racist expats or derailed to uselessness by people arguing about the same lies over and over. The only way to actually be reasonably informed about China is to learn Mandarin and leave the English-speaking Internet behind forever.
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Dec 20, 2021 07:18
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https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/China-up-close/Analysis-Xi-plays-with-dynamite-reviving-Bo-Xilai-s-housing-policy Analysis: Xi plays with dynamite reviving Bo Xilai's housing policy President struggles to find economic model that makes 'common prosperity' work From a political standpoint, the most noteworthy aspect of Xi promoting affordable housing is that the concept is quite similar to the "red" economic policies undertaken by his rival Bo Xilai around 2010 as Chongqing's top official. [...] Official media reports said in 2010 that Chongqing would build 40 million sq. meters of public rental homes to resolve a housing shortage that low- and middle-income earners were up against. That accounted for around 30% of the population living in the old city area. Under Chongqing's affordable rental housing policy, a low-income family of three earning 1,000 yuan ($157) a month could live comfortably in a unit with a kitchen and two rooms, paying around $15 or so in monthly rent, excluding electricity and water bills. Chongqing's situation 10 years ago is somewhat similar to China's overall situation today. Premier Li Keqiang revealed last year that there were as many as 600 million low- and middle-income people earning an average of around 1,000 yuan a month in the country. The recent trial introduction of a property tax, spearheaded by Xi, was also implemented in Chongqing by Bo a decade ago. [...] The new housing policy will pressure major private sector property developers to change their policies as well. The highly profitable business of developing and selling regular condominiums will inevitably have to be scaled back. Developers will have to either diversify into other business areas or break into the affordable rental housing market. [...] A slowdown in the Chinese economy has been clear since this past summer. It is a "policy-induced slump" triggered by Xi's efforts to achieve common prosperity. A decline in housing prices has spread, giving local governments no choice but to restrict the scale of new home discounts. it'd be cool if they manage to successfully get capital to stop chasing returns in real estate and go somewhere productive.
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Dec 20, 2021 07:21
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https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1472699699555561474
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Dec 20, 2021 07:35
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There was over a hundred new posts and I wondered what the gently caress happened. Finding out brought me no joy or satisfaction.
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Dec 20, 2021 08:45
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Lmao @ China just casually triumphing over a real estate market crisis ten times the size of 08 and no one in the west even appreciating it. Naw, the important thing is a loving tennis player, not whether or not millions have a home tonight.
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Dec 20, 2021 08:57
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mila kunis posted:https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/China-up-close/Analysis-Xi-plays-with-dynamite-reviving-Bo-Xilai-s-housing-policy Just a little bit jealous of a govt actually building housing and providing assistance to renters. I wish Australia was even just a little bit "authoritarian" like China. Please chairman Xi my country yearns for authoritarianism.
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Dec 20, 2021 09:02
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Mantis42 posted:Lmao @ China just casually triumphing over a real estate market crisis ten times the size of 08 and no one in the west even appreciating it. Naw, the important thing is a loving tennis player, not whether or not millions have a home tonight. both of those stories kind of disappeared over the last couple of weeks i think its been more ughyur stuff lately
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Dec 20, 2021 09:19
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mila kunis posted:
Not even. In Iceland some PMs were.recorded being super.gross in a bar, outright corruption, calling women colleagues unfuckable, etc, the disabled woman recording them in public was dragged through the courts and media wringer and forced to delete her recording. The supreme court also dragged four young protesters through day long trials and fined and gave jail time for protesting basic human rights issues. Iceland at least is very authoritarian. Oh and our liberals who will decry china didn't even know these events happened and when pointed out will hand wave away as unimportant. I'm sure to no one's surprise. poopinmymouth has issued a correction as of 09:45 on Dec 20, 2021 |
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Dec 20, 2021 09:31
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Leggsy posted:https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1472215061926232065 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdfRRtAs3o
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Dec 20, 2021 10:00
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paperwind posted:Lol there is nothing Peng could say of her own volition that won't be immediately discounted as her being forced to say because she lives in an evil regime that brutally represses expression. You know they'd say she only says those things because the CCP threatens her family still in China or something. Like that's the thing about this whole story, nothing Peng or anyone else involved says or does is ever going to change the minds of those who are convinced that the Chinese government is a brutal authoritarian regime which will stop at nothing to protect its own. I can't even imagine what evidence might possibly persuade people in that mindset.
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Dec 20, 2021 10:48
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It's a Brave New 1984 and we're the betas.
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Dec 20, 2021 10:50
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Orange Devil posted:You know they'd say she only says those things because the CCP threatens her family still in China or something. pretty much. even if she moved to the US and kept insisting it was no big deal, the same idiots would be making bullshit up about the nefarious CCP keeping family back in China hostage
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Dec 20, 2021 10:57
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Like I’ve said time and time again, China is clearly authoritarian enough to coerce her into altering her story like this. In fact, I think it’s likely there’s some coercion there. But is that really so bad?
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Dec 20, 2021 11:00
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that pharoh moron in the d&d thread is comparing schools in tibet, where they teach kids the tibetan language, to the residential schools in the US/Canada i suppose the only way to be sure these aren't res. schools is to have no schools in tibet, and xinjang as well actually, make schooling allowed only in regions with a han majority
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Dec 20, 2021 11:24
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China should fully annex the theocracy of Tibet and free its oppressed people.
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Dec 20, 2021 11:26
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Doctor Jeep posted:that pharoh moron in the d&d thread is comparing schools in tibet, where they teach kids the tibetan language, to the residential schools in the US/Canada lol one tibetan said he couldn't see his parents for a year. news story has a photo of students in a classroom with tibetan script on the blackboard CULTURAL GENOCIDE. free mirello
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Dec 20, 2021 11:33
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Mantis42 posted:Lmao @ China just casually triumphing over a real estate market crisis ten times the size of 08 and no one in the west even appreciating it. Naw, the important thing is a loving tennis player, not whether or not millions have a home tonight. performative wokeness of the western lib
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Dec 20, 2021 12:21
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at least theres one thing cspam and dnd can agree on - rape apologism
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Dec 20, 2021 12:23
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shut the gently caress up
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Dec 20, 2021 12:26
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:at least theres one thing cspam and dnd can agree on - rape apologism My Weegur genocide-denying rear end resents any comparison to D&D. Apologize for this slander.
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Dec 20, 2021 12:28
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fine people on both sides
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Dec 20, 2021 12:42
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's a Brave New 1984 and we're the betas. Wolf Warrior ABO
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Dec 20, 2021 13:05
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oh my god lmao hatsune miku fans are barrelling in now tell me more of your opinions 
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Dec 20, 2021 13:16
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Lmao you have to be an absolute rube to fall for propaganda outlets emphasizing the Peng story. Just a completely unserious imperial sycophant
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Dec 20, 2021 13:18
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:at least theres one thing cspam and dnd can agree on - rape apologism is it only the agency of oriental women you ignore or all women? please tell us more
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Dec 20, 2021 13:25
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https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/1471967968506658816 just king poo poo lmao
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Dec 20, 2021 13:27
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:Lmao you have to be an absolute rube to fall for propaganda outlets emphasizing the Peng story. Just a completely unserious imperial sycophant but did you heard kim jong-un killed his citizens who watched a blatantly anti-capitalist netflix show
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Dec 20, 2021 13:50
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Palladium posted:but did you heard kim jong-un killed his citizens who watched a blatantly anti-capitalist netflix show i mean they also banned laughter and smiling, right? that's a real thing that happened
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Dec 20, 2021 13:53
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