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thatfatkid posted:I like how you constantly fall for NATO propaganda i like how you are complaining about nothing right now
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Dec 20, 2021 20:22
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Umm I don't think you know what complaining means...
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Dec 20, 2021 20:26
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It's been level 4, along with the rest of Europe, for months, lol.
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Dec 20, 2021 20:28
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Eh, I wouldn’t say Russia is that different economically speaking than anywhere else at this point. It is just there has been no sign of a war footing at all on the streets of Moscow and no one really cares.
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Dec 20, 2021 20:29
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from a month ago https://ua.usembassy.gov/security-alert-u-s-embassy-kyiv-ukraine-4/
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Dec 20, 2021 20:31
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AnimeIsTrash posted:You all really need to stop reading GBS/d&d.
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Dec 20, 2021 20:34
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Vasukhani posted:It's been level 4, along with the rest of Europe, for months, lol. There's a pandemic and nobody should be travelling anywhere to not spread a deadly plague.
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Dec 20, 2021 20:36
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Grapplejack posted:If we're talking just political theory poo poo "authoritarianism" essentially boils down to the state being led by either a single person or a small group that cannot be removed by the common populace without armed conflict or some other severe upheaval. So your classic examples of this would be North Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc. It's worthless on its own tho, you need to Jenga a bunch of definitions together to make up an actual state, and then at that point you're also spending hours trying to figure out what qualifies as "the group" and if that intersects with other styles. Like you could make an argument that Russia is authoritarian but you run into the idea of an oligarchy due to the makeup of the leadership, etc etc. It's just people throwing around poo poo from theory because it sounds spooky. the united states of america is ruled by a small group of people that cannot be removed by the common populace without armed conflict or severe upheaval. they're called the bourgeoisie my point is that the word "authoritarian" applies to every single state that exists and will exist until it withers away under communism
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Dec 20, 2021 20:39
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To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.
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Dec 20, 2021 20:41
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https://twitter.com/muyixiao/status/1472928395621187592
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Dec 20, 2021 20:50
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wow you mean how every American backed dictator does the exact same thing?!
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Dec 20, 2021 20:57
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Serf posted:the united states of america is ruled by a small group of people that cannot be removed by the common populace without armed conflict or severe upheaval. they're called the bourgeoisie yeah that's what I mean, you can qualify it but the rest of the time you're trying to figure out where your qualifications for 'ruling group' start and stop. It's why it's not a great system outside of theory or just extremely vague brushes, because it can't be. Ex: I would call the us a gerontocracy before anything else at this point but then you have to start specifying that it's technically a presidential democracy, but it's not really a democracy because it's a representative democracy, so it's a representative presidential democracy / gerontocracy / liberal capitalist state and then you realize at that point that it's too complicated to use outside of academic circles because you'd be arguing definitions the entire time
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Dec 20, 2021 20:57
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From the geniuses which brought you Russiagate we bring you the new and improved sequel, Chinagate!
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Dec 20, 2021 20:58
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Al-Saqr posted:wow you mean how every American backed dictator does the exact same thing?! Anybody can buy influence on social media, that's the whole point.
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Dec 20, 2021 21:02
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https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1473020025430626306?s=20 Picking up where dead old dad left off lol DiscountDildos has issued a correction as of 21:12 on Dec 20, 2021 |
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Dec 20, 2021 21:05
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yikesaroo we better get the fbi on this so they can stop the chinese perfidy by using tried and true counterterrorism techniques such as checks notes huh
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Dec 20, 2021 21:26
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Lol western media is trying to give Taiwan the ELITE OPERATORS treatment https://www.businessinsider.com/how-taiwan-seals-would-fight-a-chinese-military-invasion-2021-12 quote:Their amphibious capabilities make the Sea Dragons the prime choice for operations in the Strait of Taiwan and the small islands there. If tensions escalate into conflict, those small islands might very well be the first battlefield.
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Dec 20, 2021 21:27
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sexpig by night posted:Lol western media is trying to give Taiwan the ELITE OPERATORS treatment you know i was looking at a map and some of those islands are like right in the bay by fujian. why didn't the PRC ever invade them
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Dec 20, 2021 21:34
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you know i was looking at a map and some of those islands are like right in the bay by fujian. why didn't the PRC ever invade them rule of law, status quo, blah blah blah. also china didn't have a navy till the 60's
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Dec 20, 2021 21:37
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GlassEye-Boy posted:rule of law, status quo, blah blah blah. also china didn't have a navy till the 60's but they're right there! they could swim to some of them!
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Dec 20, 2021 21:38
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re tankies, it's interesting to me how small fry it seems as an attempt to keep a satellite state in your sphere of influence when you look at America's activities in every other country on earth during the cold war this is an amazing thread https://twitter.com/john_sipher/status/1472573293614047233?t=Y6Gf38LcDp8Gx0AMq0JAmg&s=19 whole thing is amazing but these are some personal highlights https://twitter.com/john_sipher/status/1472573311225847812?t=hrm1-zbcpFbsDdquDqrNVg&s=19 https://twitter.com/john_sipher/status/1472577488790474753?t=__psPGeaO3AOts67xbjeKA&s=19 https://twitter.com/john_sipher/status/1472579096639123466?t=WzmK7r2oXr6crGAShNQg6A&s=19
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Dec 20, 2021 21:39
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Raskolnikov38 posted:but they're right there! they could swim to some of them! Carl Zha covered this on a recent Radio War Nerd. The window of opportunity for the PLA to retake those islands and Taiwan passed when Mao committed to the Korean War. When they did attempt to take the islands they got unlucky, and the Kuomintang forces were able to defeat them. Then the US Navy stepped in to protect the ROC and that was it.
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Dec 20, 2021 21:46
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Raskolnikov38 posted:but they're right there! they could swim to some of them! Fighting didn't stop in 1949, the PLA went on to take Hainan and other outlying islands on the east coast, but the attack on Kinmen failed. During and around the Korean war the US stepped up support and was willing to send US troops to defend Kinmen.
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Dec 20, 2021 21:47
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you know i was looking at a map and some of those islands are like right in the bay by fujian. why didn't the PRC ever invade them They did, but lost the Battle of Guningtou near the end of the Civil War. Because, well, amphibious operations are hard and risky. The First Taiwan Strait Crisis started and resulted in the seizure of the Yijiangshan and Dachen Islands by the PRC. The Second Strait Crisis was sparked by a failed attempt to take Dongding Island.
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Dec 20, 2021 21:52
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PRC gets stopped by Dongding, happens to the best of us.
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Dec 20, 2021 21:54
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They successfully took Hainan, which was a much larger and more heavily defended island. Kinmen wasn't a priority because what were they going to do, hole up on a tiny island that you can hit with a rifle from the mainland for 50+ years?
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Dec 20, 2021 22:00
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Hainan had a local communist revolt (the Qiongya Column) so the Nationalist presence there was divided. If they had somehow managed to fight off the Communist naval assault then the ROC would have had doubled its territory (Hainan is 34k sq. km and Taiwan is 35k, not to mention it's a lot flatter and less mountainous than Hainan) and have control of two major islands surrounding China. One can only imagine how much more tense things would be then, the KMT would probably put up more of a pretense of being the ROC since Taiwanese identity would only apply to half the country.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:07
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XMNN posted:re tankies, it's interesting to me how small fry it seems as an attempt to keep a satellite state in your sphere of influence when you look at America's activities in every other country on earth during the cold war this dude is a loving moron holy poo poo, this entire thread is a pretty good look at the poo poo CIA dudes tell themselves to justify the poo poo they're doing also lol 'Former CIA Clandestine Service. Now @SpycraftEnt, @AtlanticCouncil' strange that he lists quitting the CIA but then immediately says he's continued working for them?? also you missed the best one https://twitter.com/john_sipher/status/1472573299506954240 catty poo poo lol
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Dec 20, 2021 22:15
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He continued working for the CIA as a contractor, surely.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:18
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e wrong thread oops
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Dec 20, 2021 22:19
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Cruz to get Nord Stream 2 vote as part of deal on Biden nominees Oh Ted Cruz dropped his hold of a bunch of Biden nominations in exchange for the US Senate to vote on imposing sanctions on Nord Stream 2. Among the newly cleared nominations is the new US Ambassador to Japan: Rahm Emanuel.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:26
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Al-Saqr posted:i like how people are assuming that Russia is in no economic shape to invade other countries as if Russia was ever normal and doing fine right before any war it has ever been in. I just can’t find any room in the budget for this war. Not a thing governments say often.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:39
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Anarchists believe the method is the goal, which is an organization of society that arises spontaneously from collective consent. They think that they can conquer material deprivation this way, even though spontaneous consent naturally gives rise to provincialism. At some point ideology has to be imposed from above. communism isnt a voluntary thing its the real movement of history that overcomes all existing things
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Dec 20, 2021 22:41
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OhFunny posted:Cruz to get Nord Stream 2 vote as part of deal on Biden nominees I'm having trouble figuring out what the sanctions can even be against. The pipeline's already done. The energy companies I guess??? But like, what good is that at this point
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Dec 20, 2021 22:48
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You know, if Germany can't turn on the heat this winter because the Americans tell them no that could give us some prime content.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:50
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OhFunny posted:Cruz to get Nord Stream 2 vote as part of deal on Biden nominees so they are going to sanction Germany? The EU? im sure that will work, people love paying extra for gas
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Dec 20, 2021 22:51
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Rutibex posted:so they are going to sanction Germany? The EU? im sure that will work, people love paying extra for gas I'd bet the idea is they're going to sanction every company & investor involved in Nord Stream 2.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:52
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XMNN posted:re tankies, it's interesting to me how small fry it seems as an attempt to keep a satellite state in your sphere of influence when you look at America's activities in every other country on earth during the cold war It's like... I remember seeing an article in the UK press around 5 years ago which made a big deal out of how socialists get a "Kronstadt Moment" where they realise it's indefensible and get disillusioned (naturally this was an anti-Corbyn polemic). But the author then went on to endorse liberal capitalist Britain - in their thinking there's never such a thing as an Amritsar Moment or a Malayan Emergency Moment or a Bloody Sunday Moment or a Mau-Mau Rebellion Moment or whatever the gently caress. Liberalism gets endless do-overs and mulligans and goodwill whereas all it takes to 'disprove' socialism or communism is one totemic event that should make the scales fall from the eyes and make everyone then accept that the status quo is the lesser evil, whether it's the suppression of Kronstadt or Hungary '56 or Tiananmen Square
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Dec 20, 2021 22:53
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quote:Schumer and Cruz had previously agreed on a vote on Nord Stream 2 sanctions as an amendment to a sweeping defense bill in exchange for Cruz dropping holds on seven ambassador nominees.
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Dec 20, 2021 23:03
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https://www.cruz.senate.gov/newsroo...president-bidenquote:President Biden allowed Vladimir Putin's Nord Stream 2 pipeline to be physically completed months ago. He waived sanctions mandated in the Protecting Europe's Energy Security Act (PEESA) and simply refused to implement other sanctions mandated in the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA). His administration justified their defiance and lawlessness by declaring sanctions were counterproductive to diplomacy. Under enormous political pressure they are imposing sanctions anyway, but ensuring those sanctions will be ineffective by targeting vessels that have already completed the pipeline.
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Dec 20, 2021 23:08
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