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You do know that the inventor of hand washing was sent to a mad house, right?
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Karate Bastard posted:You do know that the inventor of hand washing was sent to a mad house, right? Semmelweis was a dumbass. He was just a dumbass in ways other than his contemporaries. Tunicate posted:Yeah, the 'Semmelweis the tormented genius' thing is basically a myth, in the same way that columbus discovering the earth was round is a myth - in both cases these are people who believed something that was obviously false, who in have been mythologized and assigned modern beliefs instead of the ones the actually held, then treated as matyrs.
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Dec 21, 2021 07:41
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Every time the topic of hand washing has come up, there have been goons saying you don't need to wash your hands after you piss "unless you piss on your hands." It's like clockwork. "Wash my hands? I didn't poo poo on my hands!"
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Dec 21, 2021 08:32
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Platystemon posted:Semmelweis was a dumbass. He was just a dumbass in ways other than his contemporaries. Reminded of Sir Isaac Newton iirc being a huge weirdo into alchemy and other occult stuff as well as making genuine scientific breakthroughs. It took quite a while for science as we know it to really come together, and to actually get to have anything to do with medicine.
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Dec 21, 2021 08:40
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Early science when it was still called natural philosophy was a wild time. Like "vivisect a dog and hand-pump its lungs to see how long it can stay alive and scream" wild. 
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Dec 21, 2021 11:22
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Dareon posted:Early science when it was still called natural philosophy was a wild time. I was happily browsing a big book of two-or-three-page excerpts from various bits of renaissance literature, and then I came across a description of that experiment, and then I put the book away forever. Nope nopity nope nope
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Dec 21, 2021 11:29
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Dareon posted:Early science when it was still called natural philosophy was a wild time. Even earlier, but my favourite was Frederick II wanting to figure out what was the true 'native' human language by taking a few newborns and having wet nurses feed them in utter silence and then leaving them completely alone until they started spontaneously babbling Chaldean or whatever. Well, it turns out human infants just straight-up die if left without any interaction or stimuli at all. Whoops.
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Dec 21, 2021 11:36
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The native human language is dying alone and unloved obviously.
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Dec 21, 2021 11:59
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We hardly need to go that far back to find experiments that may have provided valuable data, but where the data acquired may not have been worth the questionable ethics of the experiment - for that, one need look no further than the Stanford Prison Experiment.
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Dec 21, 2021 12:08
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:We hardly need to go that far back to find experiments that may have provided valuable data, but where the data acquired may not have been worth the questionable ethics of the experiment - for that, one need look no further than the Stanford Prison Experiment. Or the Something Awful forums
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Dec 21, 2021 12:12
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I thought Stanford Prison Experiment was discredited because they let people choose to be guards and so forth.
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Dec 21, 2021 12:14
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Yeah it had poo poo methodology across the board
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Dec 21, 2021 12:16
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Biplane posted:Or the Something Awful forums  Subjunctive posted:I thought Stanford Prison Experiment was discredited because they let people choose to be guards and so forth.
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Dec 21, 2021 12:30
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Subjunctive posted:I thought Stanford Prison Experiment was discredited because they let people choose to be guards and so forth. I mean, he happened to be right about me, but that was complete luck. Dude's a hack fraud.
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Dec 21, 2021 12:39
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Psychology, in general, has been and is still in the middle of a huge replication crisis by which not just the current studies published often aren't replicated, but the same is true for basically every foundational study that gets used to build new studies upon.
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Dec 21, 2021 12:45
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Subjunctive posted:I thought Stanford Prison Experiment was discredited because they let people choose to be guards and so forth. Splicer has a new favorite as of 13:05 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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Dec 21, 2021 12:53
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Dareon posted:Early science when it was still called natural philosophy was a wild time. I learned that from a series of books. A lot of the outlandish stuff in the Baroque Cycle isn't Neal Stephenson making poo poo up, it's Neal Stephenson showing off research. Which is 
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Dec 21, 2021 13:17
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NihilCredo posted:Even earlier, but my favourite was Frederick II wanting to figure out what was the true 'native' human language by taking a few newborns and having wet nurses feed them in utter silence and then leaving them completely alone until they started spontaneously babbling Chaldean or whatever. Herodotus tells the same story about the Egyptian pharaoh Psammetikos, but in his case he put the newborns in a sheep stable, and the baby's first word as "bekos", which meant "bread" in I think Phrygian, ergo Phrygian was the ur-language, though of course "bekos" could also be a reasonable imitation of a sheep bleating, so.
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Dec 21, 2021 13:25
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Psychology, in general, has been and is still in the middle of a huge replication crisis by which not just the current studies published often aren't replicated, but the same is true for basically every foundational study that gets used to build new studies upon. Stanford isn’t just a replication issue, it’s a pile of known-bad protocols stacked high.
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Dec 21, 2021 14:04
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Reminded of Sir Isaac Newton iirc being a huge weirdo into alchemy and other occult stuff as well as making genuine scientific breakthroughs. Newton was one of the greatest thinkers that ever lived but he was definitely a big weirdo, he was just a weirdo who was so used to being the smartest guy that had ever been in any room he ever entered and being able to invent new disciplines because he's like "I wonder how you could measure rates of change and at any given moment" or like "why does poo poo orbit" that when he was presented with something obviously bullshit and made up he figured he could brute force it and devoted decades of his life to trying to figure out some dumb bullshit. Edison was the same way, he spent like a decade of his life trying to make a machine that would let him communicate with the dead because he was an egocentric jackass who didn't understand that sometimes things are actually impossible. BlankSystemDaemon posted:Psychology, in general, has been and is still in the middle of a huge replication crisis by which not just the current studies published often aren't replicated, but the same is true for basically every foundational study that gets used to build new studies upon. This is true about basically all research across all fields. It's the push for 'publish or perish' and everyone wanting to be a rockstar who discovers something new.
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Dec 21, 2021 16:44
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Phil Zimbardo is a weirdo who thinks there's a way to quantify "evil" in such a way that it can be objectively studied
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Dec 21, 2021 16:55
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Marconi believed that sound echoed forever. If only he had an instrument powerful enough, he could tune in and listen to the Sermon on the Mount.
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Dec 21, 2021 16:58
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after inventing the polio vaccine, Salk did basically nothing else of scientific value. he dabbled in s bunch of weird and sometimes antiscience poo poo
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Dec 21, 2021 17:09
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Platystemon posted:Marconi believed that sound echoed forever. If only he had an instrument powerful enough, he could tune in and listen to the Sermon on the Mount. Reminded this is a whole thing in Discworld, because it's a pretty wild idea It's not so much being a brilliant crazy determined weirdo but being a brilliant crazy determined weirdo in such a setting that people will actually listen to what you have to say and read what you write down if you know how to write.
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venus de lmao posted:Phil Zimbardo is a weirdo who thinks there's a way to quantify "evil" in such a way that it can be objectively studied
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Dec 21, 2021 17:21
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Baron von Eevl posted:This is true about basically all research across all fields. It's the push for 'publish or perish' and everyone wanting to be a rockstar who discovers something new.
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Dec 21, 2021 17:28
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Platystemon posted:Marconi believed that sound echoed forever. If only he had an instrument powerful enough, he could tune in and listen to the Sermon on the Mount. what is electromagnetic radiation if not sound? this is how the aliens know about phil collins.
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Dec 21, 2021 17:31
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Just think of the moment repeated over and over again as alien civilizations on distant worlds first hear the drums kick in on In the Air Tonight.
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Dec 21, 2021 17:35
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Platystemon posted:Marconi believed that sound echoed forever. If only he had an instrument powerful enough, he could tune in and listen to the Sermon on the Mount. Devs was a good show.
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Dec 21, 2021 17:51
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Vitruvian Manic posted:Devs was a good show. It was and it wasn't
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Dec 21, 2021 19:05
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:It was and it wasn't
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Dec 21, 2021 20:38
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Dareon posted:Early science when it was still called natural philosophy was a wild time. I remember reading about the first heart transplant surgeries in animals The paper was basically "We successfully transplanted a heart from a living mouse into another mouse under anaesthesia. The heart was successfully connected to the new circulatory system, and we could see a regular pulse from both hearts." Then the next paper was about whether it was better to transplat the two hearts in series normally, or what would happen if you put the new heart in backwards
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Dec 21, 2021 20:50
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There was a soviet scientist who managed to transplant a dog's head onto another dog. The two-headed dogs would live for a few months! Sometimes the heads didn't get on though. This wasn't some secret poo poo I found out about on some conspiracy board, there were press conferences. I'll try to find the details. e: might be the wrong thread for this, nm Ichabod Sexbeast has a new favorite as of 20:58 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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Dec 21, 2021 20:56
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Tunicate posted:I remember reading about the first heart transplant surgeries in animals How many hearts do you need to stuff into a rat before you're satisfied? After removing outliers, we have determined the optimum number of hearts for a standard lab rat is 3, with a standard deviation of 10.
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Dec 21, 2021 21:39
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Subjunctive posted:I thought Stanford Prison Experiment was discredited because they let people choose to be guards and so forth. Yeah, funny how the scientists that that don't care about ethics and poo poo also tend not to care about proper methodology.
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Dec 21, 2021 21:47
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Outrail posted:How many hearts do you need to stuff into a rat before you're satisfied? How many buyers do you have on the other side of the border?
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Dec 21, 2021 21:51
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Outrail posted:How many hearts do you need to stuff into a rat before you're satisfied?
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:How many buyers do you have on the other side of the border? Splicer posted:It's always one more One less than too many.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:35
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Dameius posted:One less than too many. unless...
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Splicer posted:It's always one more As always, Miss Swann.
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