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Tesseraction posted:The BBC had an interesting segment on variants arising and had new findings by scientists in South Africa who, very cautiously, noted that immuno-compromised people are a fertile breeding ground for variants, and that in particular HIV/AIDS sufferers who aren't receiving treatment (either because they don't want to admit they have the disease or those who just don't know) should start receiving treatment ASAP. ThomasPaine posted:E: there's definitely something to be written about covid as the first true pandemic of the information age, and the way our global and interpersonal connectedness through social media etc has shaped our responses to the whole thing and the discourse around it. Could the antivaxxers have ever gained so much support in an era without twitter, I wonder? Guavanaut posted:gently caress the aids denialists in the 90s e: First World AIDS Day takes place in 1988 Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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Convex posted:lol wtf is this magazine The critic was a New York magazine in 1870s and there is this whole chain from it to Charles Frederick Briggs hiring Edgar Allan Poe and giving him his big break, it’s also very likely linked to the earliest British satire/anti-establishment magazines and pamphlets whose writers ended up fleeing to New York. The people involved in the modern atrocity will absolutely have known this, the god drat arrogant psychopaths
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The shelter I got my cat from in Canning Town is only a couple of doors down from the ominously-named "Bargain Meat Centre". A name that is both intriguing and terrifying.
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Tesseraction posted:The BBC had an interesting segment on variants arising and had new findings by scientists in South Africa who, very cautiously, noted that immuno-compromised people are a fertile breeding ground for variants, and that in particular HIV/AIDS sufferers who aren't receiving treatment (either because they don't want to admit they have the disease or those who just don't know) should start receiving treatment ASAP. A friend of mine has MS and is on immunosuppresants (sp?) so has to be extremely careful. Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:this may shock and alarm you but there exists a media landscape outside of the UKMT This is why I've started lurking on reddit ukpolitics* (but not posting) because it is moderated and people seem to be similarly 'thoughtful' as posters ITT, but some have *ed: I wrote UKPol to start with not realizing it is different to UKPolitics which is where I lurk. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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Guavanaut posted:I agree with the rest of your post but I think they could, it all depends on how much support they got from institutional power, like lolbertarian Tories and inveterate contrarians in the press. I think it's as (if not more) possible that the "oh poo poo this is serious" messages on twitter got people demanding action as it is that the antivaxxers got a pulpit, David Icke and Christine Maggiore got enough publicity in the 90s without any of that and Possibly! But I think there's something to be said about the knock on effects of the internet's promotion of niche subcultures. A lot of conspiracy bullshit grew out those 90s/00s forums. Social media, and Twitter in particular, has provided probably the largest, most ubiquitous, and (ostensibly) horizontal, non-hierarchical public messageboard the world has ever seen.
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There's a long history of anti-vaccination protests. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-anti-vaccination-movements detailed discussion of the last 150 years approx. This article suggests 300 years: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02671-0 1918 protests against smallpox vaccinations:
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:A friend of mine has MS and is on immunosuppresants (sp?) so has to be extremely careful. In order of how much they're like this thread; Green and Pleasant UKPOL Conservatives LabourUK
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah the main thing that I've heard from South Africa is "man gently caress the aids denialists in the 90s, they hosed things up for a generation" and "we still need to do more about the stigma and access to antiretrovirals" and no disagreement there. The reaction against that has left them with very good viral pandemic monitoring tools though, and a fair chunk of our worldwide antiviral research now helping with Covid stems from that. Yeah to be honest when I saw the piece I thought of how as a global society we failed so badly on AIDS and how these variants are basically our failure compounding. Jaeluni Asjil posted:A friend of mine has MS and is on immunosuppresants (sp?) so has to be extremely careful. Yeah, it's horrible because they're either at higher risk of catching covid or higher risk of dying from it, or both. Just a lovely situation.
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Total Meatlove posted:In order of how much they're like this thread; *scowls while trying to determine level of trolling*
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ThomasPaine posted:
I think this is nonsense. Some or even a lot of people might have broken rules willy nilly but it certainly felt like a lockdown to me.
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I think I have been sloppy in my reference. I didn't realize UK Pol is different to the one I hang around on UKPolitics.
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Convex posted:lol wtf is this magazine No I don't think I will read any of those next. It loving looks like Glinner the Magazine. ThomasPaine posted:Possibly! But I think there's something to be said about the knock on effects of the internet's promotion of niche subcultures. A lot of conspiracy bullshit grew out those 90s/00s forums. Social media, and Twitter in particular, has provided probably the largest, most ubiquitous, and (ostensibly) horizontal, non-hierarchical public messageboard the world has ever seen.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I think this is nonsense. Some or even a lot of people might have broken rules willy nilly but it certainly felt like a lockdown to me. If you followed the rules of course it did. It's impossible to say for sure of course, and I do think proportionally more people did do as they were told initially, but even then I anecdotally know of quite a few who never gave much of a poo poo and were having parties the whole way through. In any case, none of that changes the fact that loads of people were still forced into work while the criteria for 'essential' jobs made the term basically meaningless, and were economically disincentivised to test (or go off sick with a positive one). I'd put good money on workplaces + HMO houses being the major driver of transmission, not people going round their pals for a drink. Guavanaut posted:
Oh sure, I wasn't saying the internet was the Big Evil, just that it probably helped facilitate trends that would already have been a thing at a smaller scale. The politics of immediate post-apartheid South Africa probably make it quite a special case, but I don't know anywhere near enough about the subject to comment.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I think this is nonsense. Some or even a lot of people might have broken rules willy nilly but it certainly felt like a lockdown to me. If course it's nonsense. "The natural ebbs and flows of the pandemic" where huge drops in infection rate mysteriously lined up with the strictest containment measures and huge spikes lined up with letting 'er rip.
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Tesseraction posted:*scowls while trying to determine level of trolling* Have you read some of the LabourUK posts?
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Total Meatlove posted:Have you read some of the LabourUK posts? Oh I just thought you were saying those were the top 3 as well as making GBS threads on LabourUK (which deserves it)
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah the main thing that I've heard from South Africa is "man gently caress the aids denialists in the 90s, they hosed things up for a generation" and "we still need to do more about the stigma and access to antiretrovirals" and no disagreement there. On the other hand in 2014 the South Africans re-elected Jacob Zuma as President after he infamously said that you could prevent the transmission of HIV by showering after sex. Not that it's a bad habit, but come on.
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Tarnop posted:If course it's nonsense. "The natural ebbs and flows of the pandemic" where huge drops in infection rate mysteriously lined up with the strictest containment measures and huge spikes lined up with letting 'er rip. Correlation doesn't imply causation, come on now. If you look at the figures for, say, Sweden - a country that famously rejected lockdown measures - you get the same peaks and troughs. You also get the same when you look at historical mortality rates for other epidemic diseases like the Spanish flu. Cases almost always come in waves for a multitude of factors. I'm not saying lockdown did nothing, but it certainly isn't the deciding factor, especially once you're well past the containment stage and the official policy is drawn up on the back of a cigarette packet and implemented about as well.
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Jedit posted:On the other hand in 2014 the South Africans re-elected Jacob Zuma as President after he infamously said that you could prevent the transmission of HIV by showering after sex. Not that it's a bad habit, but come on. Okay two generations.
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Jedit posted:On the other hand in 2014 the South Africans re-elected Jacob Zuma as President after he infamously said that you could prevent the transmission of HIV by showering after sex. Not that it's a bad habit, but come on.
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ThomasPaine posted:Correlation doesn't imply causation, come on now. If you look at the figures for, say, Sweden - a country that famously rejected lockdown measures - you get the same peaks and troughs. You also get the same when you look at historical mortality rates for other epidemic diseases like the Spanish flu. Cases almost always come in waves for a multitude of factors. I'm not saying lockdown did nothing, but it certainly isn't the deciding factor, especially once you're well past the containment stage and the official policy is drawn up on the back of a cigarette packet and implemented about as well. Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it would be one hell of an impressive feat if the government somehow predicted exactly when infections would start to fall due to whatever other factors you're failing to specify and consistently brought restrictions into force two weeks beforehand. Social distancing measures and restrictions on mass gatherings were imposed for Spanish flu. The third wave of Spanish flu coincided with the lifting of those restrictions, but I guess that was just a coincidence too.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Triple jabbed Congrats! Be ready for a fuckin rough day tomorrow, have paracetamol and lots of water ready. I felt like total poo poo for about 36 hours (AZ + AZ + Moderna)
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ThomasPaine posted:I'd put good money on workplaces + HMO houses being the major driver of transmission, not people going round their pals for a drink. Not very scientific given a sample size of the one large corporate I'm at, but during the first few months of the pandemic the number of covid infections amongst computer touchers etc who could WFH was tiny in proportion to those working in public-facing jobs or roles that couldn't be done from home. People in our mail rooms and call centres who were going into the office the whole time or who had jobs where they worked with the public in some way were getting ridiculous rates of exposures and a lot of positive cases. So yeah I'd definitely say the problem was people who didn't have a choice in who they're around at work or home, rather than having a sly piss-up.
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Tarnop posted:Congrats! Be ready for a fuckin rough day tomorrow, have paracetamol and lots of water ready. I felt like total poo poo for about 36 hours (AZ + AZ + Moderna) Yeah, I felt nothing after 1 & 2 but 3 has kicked my arse today. Pz * 3.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Triple jabbed Congratulations on reaching the centre of your Euler/Venn Diagram! Az + Az + Pz = feeling a bit lovely for a day or so, i just slept a lot.
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I managed to get mine booked for next friday so hopefully I will be able to be sick over the weekend.
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fuctifino posted:My coping mechanism is weed. Today is day 619 of an unbroken chain of waking and baking until bedtime. I had to knock that on the head it started making me really anxious but i am happy it's still helping you friend
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OwlFancier posted:The only vegetable that is better than the sprout is the potato and that is because the potato is just nature's bread.
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I'm becoming increasingly doomer myself tbh, despite being one of the more 'anti-dooming' posters usually. It's kind of came with a dose of not giving a gently caress any more too. I suppose in a roundabout way, it'll be interesting to witness the fall of a technologically advanced civilisation, in the same way being vivisected is probably quite an interesting experience. Anyway, in the name of not going out, I made a micromovie. It's very short and was pretty fun to make. As always, criticism highly welcomed - I know it's way noisier than ideal but I was getting to grips with a new camera. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjtGB35-NAQ
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Tarnop posted:Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it would be one hell of an impressive feat if the government somehow predicted exactly when infections would start to fall due to whatever other factors you're failing to specify and consistently brought restrictions into force two weeks beforehand. Fine, explain Sweden? Explain any of the other countries that did next to nothing and still saw multiple distinct waves? Lockdown/closure measures during the Spanish flu, in Britain at least, were never nationally mandated but were implemented inconsistently at a patchwork local level. Hell, in 1918 there was still residual opposition to germ theory as a concept. Still, deaths from the pandemic came in waves, they didn't exponentially rise. Micro-organisms respond to non-human factors as well, and pandemics always display their own patterns. I assume when you talk about restrictions you're referring to places like the USA, which did occasionally have state-enforced containment measures, and for sure removing them may have contributed to resurgences in infection, but even so, no-one was talking about the disease by the early 1920s, when measures had ended, and there were no further significant outbreaks even the absence of vaccines or any other medical interventions. Once again, I am not saying saying lockdowns did nothing. Maybe they had some impact. I am saying that they are not a magic bullet, are of dubious effectiveness by comparison to other 'carrot' measures of transmission mitigation, and have serious collateral consequences that need to be taken into account. e: my 3rd booster was perfectly fine, no side-effects at all, same for my parents. I was Pfizer x3, they were both AZ x2 + Pfizer x1 ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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Comparatively my third dose was painless. My first two made me feel like I was carrying a baby elephant for a few days while my mouth was sandland. This one just had a mildly sore injection site. Actually makes me worry now that my third dose was inert or placebo.
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Huh, I felt nothing following my third jab except the obvious "someone stuck a needle in your arm" stuff. Maybe they just gave me saline.
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ThomasPaine posted:Fine, explain Sweden? Explain any of the other countries that did next to nothing and still saw multiple distinct waves? Difference in populations: 10 million in Sweden, 05 million in Finland.
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Gort posted:Huh, I felt nothing following my third jab except the obvious "someone stuck a needle in your arm" stuff. Maybe they just gave me saline. Okay if I catch covid badly I'll warn you to lock yourself behind a filtered air pump.
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Barrister who sued after colleague asked him to stop farting loses casequote:A senior barrister who sued the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) after a colleague asked him to stop breaking wind in the room they worked in together has lost his case. This reads like a sitcom pilot episode imo
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Just Another Lurker posted:Congratulations on reaching the centre of your Euler/Venn Diagram!
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ThomasPaine posted:Fine, explain Sweden? "At this point, Sweden, unlike its Nordic neighbours, allowed things to carry on pretty much as usual, with only minor measures in place. By the summer, when restrictions were reduced in the UK and Germany, cases per 100,000 in both those countries were very low, while in Sweden cases had never gone below 25 per 100,000 of the population." https://www.euronews.com/next/amp/2021/12/13/one-pandemic-three-reactions-new-study-picks-apart-germany-sweden-and-the-uk-s-covid-respo "UK mortality would have approximately doubled had Swedish policy been adopted, while Swedish mortality would have more than halved had Sweden adopted UK or Danish strategies. Danish policies were most effective, although differences between the UK and Denmark were significant for one counterfactual approach only. Our analysis shows that small changes in the timing or effectiveness of interventions have disproportionately large effects on total mortality within a rapidly growing epidemic." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95699-9
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