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FreudianSlippers posted:At worst he'd declare bankruptcy after his accountants shuffled everything around enough for bankruptcy to be a pure formality and carry on like nothing happened. speaking of which, you reminded me. in the episode where krusty fakes his death, he does so cause he's so bankrupt and in debt that he has to sell all his possessions. but by the end of the episode, he's able to pay it all of because of the insurance money he got faking his 'new' death? is there a lot of money they pay out for life insurance? like, in the multi-millions?
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PostNouveau posted:Him and Comic Book Guy. Usually these episodes are the "X gets a girlfriend" type. While on top of that being a bad habit writers are addicted to, I think it's another one where they're the 'available' bachelors of the cast. Came up with how Futurama's big difference from the Simpsons was most of the characters being single young people that you can do love interest plots with and not have adultery or parental responsibility involved, the kind of characters that the Simpsons doesn't really have as regulars. See also Selma, I guess. Detective No. 27 posted:The episode where Herb is revealed to be broke and homeless after his car company imploded is unrealistic because we know that he would have been the CEO of another major corporation after a few weeks. Though it gets funnier watching the original Herb episode and realising that the Homer was just the straw that broke the camel's back for a company that was already clearly dysfunctional and refused to make products people actually wanted, in exactly the same way as late 20th century American car companies basically all were. Mr Interweb posted:speaking of which, you reminded me. in the episode where krusty fakes his death, he does so cause he's so bankrupt and in debt that he has to sell all his possessions. but by the end of the episode, he's able to pay it all of because of the insurance money he got faking his 'new' death? is there a lot of money they pay out for life insurance? like, in the multi-millions? Not like most people know how life insurance works, which I imagine is meant to be part of the gag, especially since it's a throwaway one at the end of an episode. That said, given Krusty's career is shown to fluctuate comically wildly, it's quite possible once he had enough to get back on his feet and back into show business within a week he's got more money than he knows what to do with again.
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I'm a Brit and I might be laughing at a silly stereotype, but I always find the Powell Motors exec's insistence that Americans "don't want big cars" funny.
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Just watched the first two episodes of Ingress on Netflix. Lots of pseudo-mystical concepts get thrown at you constantly, but it seems alright so far. More on the serious side, not overly anime-y, reminds me a bit of Death Note.
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Oh my god they made a show out of that? I thought Ingress was just the astroturfed/disguised live pilot for Pokemon Go
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https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1473048466184196098 I completely missed the short this article starts with, and based on the description, I ain't gonna remedy that. quote:On November 12, subscribers to Disney+ were treated to a five-minute short film billed as The Simpsons in Plusaversary as part of a “special event” designed to mark the streaming service’s two-year anniversary. If you’re a fan of the golden era of The Simpsons that roughly spanned its run during the mid-’90s, it’s positively nauseating to watch — the premise being a party at Moe’s Tavern where all of your favorite Disney characters-qua-properties have been invited.
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it wasn't monopoly capitalism that killed the simpsons wtf
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AHH F/UGH posted:it wasn't monopoly capitalism that killed the simpsons wtf It's Jacobin. Capitalism is the root cause of every ill in Jacobin, even the Simpsons being bad for 20 years.
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T'was meauty that killed the meast.
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Das Boo posted:T'was meauty that killed the meast.
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AHH F/UGH posted:it wasn't monopoly capitalism that killed the simpsons wtf it did
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lmao not just the Simpsons, but Art itself has officially reached its nadir.
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Applewhite posted:lmao not just the Simpsons, but Art itself has officially reached its nadir. it has
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The Simpsons are dead. The Simpsons remain dead. And we have killed them. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become the Simpsons simply to appear worthy of it?
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Homer Simpson has become unstuck in time.
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Das Boo posted:T'was meauty that killed the meast.
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Das Boo posted:T'was meauty that killed the meast. audibly snorted at this
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Even as a kid I thought the Armin Tamzarian stuff was weird and bad. I don't think I saw it as a betrayal of the careful character development and plotting and stuff the show had done over the years like so many did, but rather just that like it was a very lame twist played straight in a way that felt beneath the Simpsons. I agree, they basically chose a character whose entire development throughout the show had been based entirely and exclusively on his past, and outside a world of excellent lines, the interesting parts of his character were exclusively relegated to the past that shaped him into the character we know as Skinner. Without it, he would be incredibly bland, a 2-D straight man and nothing but Bart's foil. Retconning him into being a grown-up version of Bart only to have him accept a life of obsequious subordination to an old woman he had never previously met just doesn't make any sense. And his NAME, I think it was the first time I truly felt like they phoned it in, like some wannabe writer pulled "Tamzarian" out of the air and everyone lied to themselves that it didn't sound like a poo poo, made-up name pulled from a low-grade sci-fi. Only matched by the sheer, cringing laziness of "Jeff Albertson".
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It's actually a pitch perfect parody of Mad Men made 20 years ahead of time. What if Dick Whitman faked his death and adopted a loser persona instead?
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One plus of Unky Herb was having two solid episodes then a smattering of mentions and that’s it, as DeVito doesn’t like doing the character, so he hasn’t been run into the ground like Sideshow Bob or Mona. Very few other characters escaped that fate aside from Phil Hartman’s, RIP.
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Maximum Sexy Pigeon posted:I agree, they basically chose a character whose entire development throughout the show had been based entirely and exclusively on his past, and outside a world of excellent lines, the interesting parts of his character were exclusively relegated to the past that shaped him into the character we know as Skinner. Without it, he would be incredibly bland, a 2-D straight man and nothing but Bart's foil. Retconning him into being a grown-up version of Bart only to have him accept a life of obsequious subordination to an old woman he had never previously met just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it was a bad idea to introduce a shocking twist to a long-established character like that. Kinda like when they revealed that Ned Flanders is actually 60 years old. I actually liked Comic Book Guy having a completely ordinary name, though.
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what the gently caress lolquote:Comic Book Guy also has a gay cousin named Comic Book Gay. Comic Book Gay is interested in "certain types of comics" and sounds just like Comic Book Guy.
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DaveWoo posted:Yeah, it was a bad idea to introduce a shocking twist to a long-established character like that. Kinda like when they revealed that Ned Flanders is actually 60 years old. Both the Armin and Ned plot twists would have been better received if they didn’t feel like one off writers room pitches. Give hints early in the season like Skinner hiding mail or Ned having older friends, then the twists would feel like they paid off. DS9 was great but they botched a few plot twists with Dr. Bashir in a similar way decided the character was genetically enhanced which the actor didn’t like and wouldn’t sell, or when he was replaced with a changing not bothering to have him act differently in the preceding episodes.
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Maximum Sexy Pigeon posted:And his NAME, I think it was the first time I truly felt like they phoned it in, like some wannabe writer pulled "Tamzarian" out of the air and everyone lied to themselves that it didn't sound like a poo poo, made-up name pulled from a low-grade sci-fi. The way Bart reacted I thought armin tamzarian was some double entrendre that I just didn't get and not just a silly name for the longest time
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I never got the big deal. It was a funny episode, and everything went back to normal at the end.
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:episode 1 was bart gets an F ok nothing in my post suggests otherwise though
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Has anyone done a background check on this guy? https://www.swlaw.edu/faculty/adjunct/armen-tamzarian
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UP AND ADAM posted:I never got the big deal. It was a funny episode, and everything went back to normal at the end. Not to mention it wasn't the first time they changed Skinner's backstory. The smash cut solution to the problem with the real Skinner being tied to a train car and sent away is hilarious. The episode just broke nerds brains at the time way more than it should have.
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Simpsons had been bad for a long, long while, but at least in the earlier years of its decline (I can't speak at all for many of the later season) I feel like it could still throw a decent lob at Fox every now and then. So it's simultaneously fascinating and annoying to see them reach a new level of awful in the Disney era where they've been turned into little more than sterile cheerleaders for their new parent company in these dumb bullshit and bite-less shorts in which they do little more than celebrate other IPs.
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I saw the episode where Krusty became a Christian to try to connect with his daughter. It was alright, Wayne Gretzky was in it.
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Disney should not be able to own so many properties. I mean, all they do is churn out identical color-swapped superhero MCU movies and identical “humanoid, but with an arm on their forehead” Star Wars shitfests at this point, but give it a few years and Disney will be the literal monopoly on worldwide entertainment. So get used to Kermit the Frog appearing in Star Wars movie #4326 and Donald Duck appearing in Marvel’s “The Superheroes! But They’re Actually Normal People With Expensive Gadgetry To Help Them Fight Incredibly Stronger Foes With Literal Omnipotence That Can Easily Destroy Them.” Or else.
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But The Simpsons was loooooooong loving dead and buried before the Disney buyout. That loving article 
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You Are A Elf posted:But The Simpsons was loooooooong loving dead and buried before the Disney buyout. That loving article The article repeatedly states this.
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Rascar Capac posted:The article repeatedly states this. Yeah, I thought that it made that pretty clear in several places: quote:Long before it was purchased by the Walt Disney Company in 2019, many Simpsons fans readily acknowledged that the show was, for all intents and purposes, dead, if still technically on-air in a kind of zombified form. When finally acquired by Disney, it had already surpassed thirty seasons — the majority of them coming after its comparatively brief classic era and bearing only superficial resemblance to the glorious show that once had been. In what probably stands as the definitive statement on the series’ precipitous decline, YouTuber Super Eyepatch Wolf’s viral 2017 video The Fall of The Simpsons: How It Happened deftly captured both what had made the show so great and why it had so abruptly gone off the rails. quote:Beginning in season eight (1996–97) and accelerating in subsequent years, the series would not so gradually shed its best qualities, tampering with the foundations of its own universe, deploying increasingly absurdist plots, and becoming self-referential to the point that characters that had once functioned as broad cultural archetypes were mostly exaggerated self-parodies. The phrase “Zombie Simpsons,” popularized by a short book on the show’s decline, thus aptly describes what it has ultimately become: a free-floating commercial property that exists solely to wring continued profits from a undead object for whatever corporate entity possesses the necessary pieces of paper. IBroughttheFunk fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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UP AND ADAM posted:I never got the big deal. It was a funny episode, and everything went back to normal at the end. Season 8 and 9 is where the show shifts away from treating the characters as people the audience are expected to care about in favour of props to hang jokes off and that episode is the most egregious example. You can do that and still have a good show so long as the jokes are funny, and I like s8 and most of 9 because of it It was the inevitable direction for the show to go I think. The only other choices were end the show or shake up the status quo. After 9 years there's little left you can do with characters who can't age or grow.
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since i watched the frank grimes episode, i felt it's only right i watch the armin tamzarian one as well i don't have much to say aside from still thinking it's the best worst episode of the simpsons. but i did have one question. there's an exchange in the episode that goes like this: *during fake skinner's flashback coming to give the news about real skinner's death* fake skinner: a part of me always wondered if deep down, she knew i wasn't her son agnes: you can have lima beans soon as you clean your room. *quietly* Upstairs. third door on the left this exchange seems both familiar and yet somehow unfamiliar at the same time. did they show this during syndication? SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Not to mention it wasn't the first time they changed Skinner's backstory. when was the other time(s)?
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AHH F/UGH posted:it wasn't monopoly capitalism that killed the simpsons wtf i killed the simpsons
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I think it's more that Skinner was a fairly well developed character that a lot of people had grown fond of through the years, so anything to undermine him as much as that episode was always going to be divisive as heck to anyone with sentimental feelings about him. Honestly I believe people at the time were basically rooting for him to slowly build more of a backbone to see stand up to his mom and complete this shipping with Krabappel.
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