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Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

Deltasquid posted:

Strategy in motion.



"Not knowing exactly what "the Plan" is, is part of 'the Plan'"

Alonsowns

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Dynamite Dog
Dec 12, 2012

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Alonso is an It's Always Sunny character

Lucasar
Jan 25, 2005

save a few for lefty too
Saw this list posted somewhere, apparently quoted from Sky Germany, with the relative crash costs of each driver for 2021 (in euros):

1 Mick Schumacher (Haas) 4,212,500
2 Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 4,046,000
3 Max Verstappen (Red Bull) 3,889,000
4 Nicholas Latifi (Williams) 3,116,500
5 Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 2,713,500
6 Lance Stroll (Aston Martin) 2,686,000
7 Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri) 2,606,500
8 Nikita Mazepin (Haas) 2,468,000
9 Kimi Raikkonen (Alfa Romeo) 1,950,000
10 George Russell (Williams) 1,845,000
11 Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) 1,756,000
12 Lando Norris (McLaren) 1,453,000
13 Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 1,235,000
14 Pierre Gasly (AlphaTauri) 1,113,000
15 Sergio Perez (Red Bull) 939,000
16 Antonio Giovinazzi (Alfa Romeo) 854,000
17 Daniel Ricciardo (McLaren) 713,000
18 Sebastian Vettel (Aston Martin) 660,000
19 Fernando Alonso (Alpine) 315,000
20 Esteban Ocon (Alpine) 280,000

Both Alpines combined were still cheaper than the next cheapest single driver. Seems like Ocon might be the best value-for-dollar guy on the grid.

crackhaed
Jan 18, 2005

From out of the basement,
a man doth emerge,
sweat on his brow,
for Efron the urge.

Lucasar posted:

Saw this list posted somewhere, apparently quoted from Sky Germany, with the relative crash costs of each driver for 2021 (in euros):

1 Mick Schumacher (Haas) 4,212,500
2 Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 4,046,000
3 Max Verstappen (Red Bull) 3,889,000
4 Nicholas Latifi (Williams) 3,116,500
5 Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 2,713,500
6 Lance Stroll (Aston Martin) 2,686,000
7 Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri) 2,606,500
8 Nikita Mazepin (Haas) 2,468,000
9 Kimi Raikkonen (Alfa Romeo) 1,950,000
10 George Russell (Williams) 1,845,000
11 Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) 1,756,000
12 Lando Norris (McLaren) 1,453,000
13 Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 1,235,000
14 Pierre Gasly (AlphaTauri) 1,113,000
15 Sergio Perez (Red Bull) 939,000
16 Antonio Giovinazzi (Alfa Romeo) 854,000
17 Daniel Ricciardo (McLaren) 713,000
18 Sebastian Vettel (Aston Martin) 660,000
19 Fernando Alonso (Alpine) 315,000
20 Esteban Ocon (Alpine) 280,000

Both Alpines combined were still cheaper than the next cheapest single driver. Seems like Ocon might be the best value-for-dollar guy on the grid.

By team:

1 Haas 6,680,500
2 Ferrari 5,802,000
3 Williams 4,961,500
4 Red Bull 4,828,000
5 Mercedes 3,948,500
6 Alpha Tauri 3,719,500
7 Aston Martin 3,346,000
8 Alfa Romeo 2,804,000
9 McLaren 2,166,000
10 Alpine 595,000

Poor loving Haas tries to save their money to work on the 2022 car but can't stop repairing the 2021 car.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


All part of El Plan

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

That’s a lot of damage for Mick with only three DNFs.

(Mazepin had five.)

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


smackfu posted:

That’s a lot of damage for Mick with only three DNFs.

(Mazepin had five.)

They probably stopped putting new parts on mazepin's car.

Just duct taped up old ones because he's just gonna go out and smash them up again anyways.

The Big Jesus
Oct 29, 2007

#essereFerrari

crackhaed posted:

By team:

1 Haas 6,680,500
2 Ferrari 5,802,000
3 Williams 4,961,500
4 Red Bull 4,828,000
5 Mercedes 3,948,500
6 Alpha Tauri 3,719,500
7 Aston Martin 3,346,000
8 Alfa Romeo 2,804,000
9 McLaren 2,166,000
10 Alpine 595,000

Poor loving Haas tries to save their money to work on the 2022 car but can't stop repairing the 2021 car.

This is really interesting. Are replacement power units included in this or literally only direct crash parts?

crackhaed
Jan 18, 2005

From out of the basement,
a man doth emerge,
sweat on his brow,
for Efron the urge.

The Big Jesus posted:

This is really interesting. Are replacement power units included in this or literally only direct crash parts?
No idea, but it would also be really interesting to see the totals broken down by specific incident. You could use that info to estimate who cost other teams the most money too...

skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

Need some el plan avatars in here. Gotta get with the times

TheBacon
Feb 8, 2012

#essereFerrari

crackhaed posted:

No idea, but it would also be really interesting to see the totals broken down by specific incident. You could use that info to estimate who cost other teams the most money too...

Pretty sure this is the source from reddit I think

Amp
Sep 10, 2010

:11tea::bubblewoop::agesilaus::megaman::yoshi::squawk::supaburn::iit::spooky::axe::honked::shroom::smugdog::sg::pkmnwhy::parrot::screamy::tubular::corsair::sanix::yeeclaw::hayter::flip::redflag:
thank you reddit user basspro24chevy

The Big Jesus
Oct 29, 2007

#essereFerrari

TheBacon posted:

Pretty sure this is the source from reddit I think



Lmao at the large John winning last year no poo poo

crackhaed
Jan 18, 2005

From out of the basement,
a man doth emerge,
sweat on his brow,
for Efron the urge.

TheBacon posted:

Pretty sure this is the source from reddit I think



lol how did Latifi make it out of Jeddah without any cost? Did they just throw his car in the trash because the season was over?

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

TheBacon posted:

Pretty sure this is the source from reddit I think



proving once again max is a fraud

Grevlek
Jan 11, 2004

ArmZ posted:

proving once again max is a fraud

It is interesting that redbull appears to be entirely focused on max winning WDC despite the cost or impact to the WCC. You'd think they would earn more money from going after the WCC

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi
So did reddit user basspro24chevy just watch races, see what looked damaged on the car, and use that definitely accurate pricing chart to make the totals?

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

There’s actually a very small line of fine print between the drivers and constructors tables that says exactly that.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



Grevlek posted:

It is interesting that redbull appears to be entirely focused on max winning WDC despite the cost or impact to the WCC. You'd think they would earn more money from going after the WCC

RB puts fuckyou levels of money into all sorts of stupid poo poo for marketing.
Winning WCC to them is probably more of a cost saving on the marketing budget.

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari

Zedd posted:

RB puts fuckyou levels of money into all sorts of stupid poo poo for marketing.
Winning WCC to them is probably more of a cost saving on the marketing budget.

They don't race in F1 to make a profit. They race because rich people have Egos and need to spend their money somewhere. The Marketing is just a bonus

The Big Jesus
Oct 29, 2007

#essereFerrari
I love Red Bull

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak


Deltasquid posted:

Strategy in motion.



"Not knowing exactly what "the Plan" is, is part of 'the Plan'"

"El Plan" sounds like some QAnon poo poo. Trust el plan!

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



The first rule of el plan is don't talk about el plan.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



The Big Jesus posted:

I love Red Bull

If you like them or not we can all agree it's THE team you love to hate or vice versa.

Mustache Ride
Sep 11, 2001



Me encanta cuando el plan sale bien

Grevlek
Jan 11, 2004

Zedd posted:

RB puts fuckyou levels of money into all sorts of stupid poo poo for marketing.
Winning WCC to them is probably more of a cost saving on the marketing budget.

Even so isn't better company a better result than better driver ?

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



Grevlek posted:

Even so isn't better company a better result than better driver ?

Energy Drink probably wants the FastGuy™ over being a proper car builder.

TheBacon
Feb 8, 2012

#essereFerrari

Grevlek posted:

Even so isn't better company a better result than better driver ?

People remember WDCs, no one remembers who won the WCC when it didn’t just match the WDC.

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010

TheBacon posted:

People remember WDCs, no one remembers who won the WCC when it didn’t just match the WDC.

Yeah casual fans will look at this season and say "so Red Bull won this year, right?"

Grevlek
Jan 11, 2004

TheBacon posted:

People remember WDCs, no one remembers who won the WCC when it didn’t just match the WDC.

i bet Seb could name all the WCC winners

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Grevlek posted:

i bet Seb could name all the WCC winners

that would be an actual test for him, yeah.

WCC for the dough, WDC for the glory.

Rhopunzel
Jan 6, 2006

Stroll together, win together
when did el plan become a thing and why is anyone acting like a lovely backmarker team has been has any chance at all of making a miraculous turnaround, is it some ironic thing or

skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

Rhopunzel posted:

when did el plan become a thing and why is anyone acting like a lovely backmarker team has been has any chance at all of making a miraculous turnaround, is it some ironic thing or

mods please

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Rhopunzel posted:

when did el plan become a thing and why is anyone acting like a lovely backmarker team has been has any chance at all of making a miraculous turnaround, is it some ironic thing or

Alpine had it written on the back of their rear wings during the Abu Dhabi GP.



It sounds like it’s related to their 2022 ambitions, but they’re being cagey about it.

Diorama
Apr 18, 2006

i remember when all this was fields

Grevlek posted:

It is interesting that redbull appears to be entirely focused on max winning WDC despite the cost or impact to the WCC. You'd think they would earn more money from going after the WCC

They make a lot of money from their fizzy donkey piss

Red_Fred
Oct 21, 2010


Fallen Rib

Rhopunzel posted:

when did el plan become a thing and why is anyone acting like a lovely backmarker team has been has any chance at all of making a miraculous turnaround, is it some ironic thing or

Clearly a Max fan

Dictator.
May 13, 2007

#Blessed

Red_Fred posted:

Clearly a Max fan

No Nando loves Max so Max fans love Nando

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE
A 'lovely backmarker team' who won the championship only a year longer ago than Ferrari last did and won a race this year.

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ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
Why is it el plan if alpine are french

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