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VomitOnLino posted:Also since you are very likely to be white, straight and male it means you're still considered trash to most locals here, but you're on the upper end of the rung and thus won't see the worst of it. yeap, same in the GCC countries
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Dec 23, 2021 15:52
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https://twitter.com/julianku/status/1474018959007625222?t=3yPBlG77GIuR_qh6F5XFow&s=19
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Dec 23, 2021 15:54
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this would literally be treated as an act of aggression if china does something similar with setting up "temporary" bases on islands near the us
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Dec 23, 2021 15:58
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Rutibex posted:we were talking about the death of ways of life (like those yeoman farmers), not the death of physical people. my point was the planes cultures were already transformed by colonialism to the point where the original way of life was dead. Yeah the railroads destroyed the new culture, but I'm sure white settlers would have done that eventually without railroads. The important part of Plains culture was its organization around the buffalo, not the use of horses. The culture didn't die with the introduction of horses, it only became easier. Horses did have truly revolutionary impact on other cultures, like the Comanche, who immediately founded their own horselord state. You're picking nits that don't really make sense. The point of comparison is that yeomanry was wiped out because the railroads brought them into the national market, while the dispossessed dirt farmers ended up absorbed into the White superstructure. Nobody mourns the loss of American yeomanry other than arch reactionaries, because being a racist & illiterate dirt farmer sucked rear end. The Plains Indians on the other hand had their most significant source of food & resources wiped out by the railroad companies, who needed to clear the region of the herds so that it would be safe for railroad travel. This made it completely unsustainable to be a nomadic culture that could live beyond the reach of the American government, and all of the tribes were forced into reservations where their lives were dictated by the white man. On the one hand you have the march of modernity wiping out a premodern culture in a way that made people more "free." On the other hand you have the march of modernity wiping out a premodern culture in a way that made them subjects of a colonial power. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 16:16 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Dec 23, 2021 16:12
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Agrajag posted:this would literally be treated as an act of aggression if china does something similar with setting up "temporary" bases on islands near the us I think the wording is that the troops will only be there if it's an "emergency". I don't know what the hell a "Taiwan Emergency" is though.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:17
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Lostconfused posted:I think the wording is that the troops will only be there if it's an "emergency". Doesn't really matter if there's an "emergency" or not. American marines deploying to Taiwan in response to anything is effectively an invasion of China.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:20
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Doesn't really matter if there's an "emergency" or not. American marines deploying to Taiwan in response to anything is effectively an invasion of China. I thought they were there already?
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Dec 23, 2021 16:31
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Lostconfused posted:I thought they were there already? "Unofficially," afaik.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:33
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I am probably thinking of this: https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/27/asia/tsai-ingwen-taiwan-china-interview-intl-hnk/index.html quote:The leader of Taiwan, the island thrust into the center of rising tensions between the United States and China, said the threat from Beijing is growing "every day," as for the first time she confirmed the presence of American troops on Taiwanese soil.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:36
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Speaking of minority cultures and languages, what's everyone take on the latest attempt by China to genocide a culture? Saw a lot of mumbling about inner Mongolia and the perfidious Han outlawing Mongolian. I read into it a bit deeper and it seems that they are only mandating that core classes be taught in putonghua. Kind of funny seeing Mongolian nationalists complaining about Chinese destruction of Mongolian culture while typing in Cyrillic.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:43
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If the USM had any presence more significant than training advisors, people would notice it. Deploying any combat units is still a huge red line.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:43
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Ok so then it's only an invasion if mainland responds.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:44
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If the USM had any presence more significant than training advisors, people would notice it. Deploying any combat units is still a huge red line. werent the initial deployment of us troops to vietnam as "training advisors" also? what im trying to say here is "training advisors" has a very loose definition when it comes to the DOD/CIA/State Dept usage of it Agrajag has issued a correction as of 16:46 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Dec 23, 2021 16:44
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Agrajag posted:werent the initial deployment of us troops to vietnam as "training advisors" also? That's how it started, and it snowballed from there. But there was actual fighting going on too. Edit: Like the south vitnamese troops were getting beaten so the advisors were told that they can start joining the fight too. Then the advisors started getting shot, so it escalated to full on "boots on the ground". Or something like that. Or was it the French that were getting their asses beaten? I honestly have no idea why USA exists to maintain french colonies. At least try to anyway. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 16:51 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Dec 23, 2021 16:46
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It's the season for plague marines again https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1473860737001037825
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Dec 23, 2021 16:55
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https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1474045578812305423?s=20
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Dec 23, 2021 16:55
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Agrajag posted:werent the initial deployment of us troops to vietnam as "training advisors" also? The Viet Minh weren't nearly powerful enough to stop American mission creep - but a military buildup on Taiwan today would be a months long process that nobody could miss. Because Taiwan is still officially part of China, any deployment of combat units would be considered an invasion. The whole idea of this plan involving US marines swooping in to the rescue is a total farce.  I'm assuming Miyako and Yaeyama are the islands they're talking about, since we already have a huge presence on Okinawa. They're still pretty far from Taiwan by sea or air. The PLN would blast them at sea or shoot them out of the sky before they ever get close. Although, I suppose that could also be part of the plan. Offer up a sacrificial platter of marines to really get the bloodthirst going at home.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:56
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genericnick posted:It's the season for plague marines again wooomp woooooooooomp
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Dec 23, 2021 16:56
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Lostconfused posted:That's how it started, and it snowballed from there. But there was actual fighting going on too. The French had already been beaten and forced out of north Vietnam at that point, but yeah advisors were initially sent to train in relatively small numbers of what then became combat troops as ARVN proved incapable of fighting on their own. As for Taiwan, I actually doubt the US would make a move if only because their forces would be cutoff before anything is done. It is just more posturing. As for language rights, the Soviet Union and the PRC actually have rights for minority languages in a way that the US never has. US is literally known for its “melting” pot, ie full assimilation. As for Mongolia, I believe some middle school classes were shifted from Mongolian to Mandarin, but there are still classes in Mongolian though secondary schooling. Arguably it is assimilation in a broad sense but only because it is hedging a bit closer to the Western way of doing things with a single dominant national language.
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Dec 23, 2021 17:04
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This whole Taiwan "Crisis" is something the US made up right? Just like hows every December for the last 5 years has been Russia is about to invade Ukraine. Every time the media talks about it they're never specific about why China is apparently getting ready to invade Taiwan now. That this is all after our failure in Afghanistan and Biden wanting to pull off Obama's "pivot to Asia" I'm sure has nothing to do with it
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Dec 23, 2021 17:04
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KomradeX posted:This whole Taiwan "Crisis" is something the US made up right? Just like hows every December for the last 5 years has been Russia is about to invade Ukraine. Every time the media talks about it they're never specific about why China is apparently getting ready to invade Taiwan now. That this is all after our failure in Afghanistan and Biden wanting to pull off Obama's "pivot to Asia" I'm sure has nothing to do with it there is definitely no "taiwan crisis" as the western msm likes to frame it
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Dec 23, 2021 17:12
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I would say the only real thing that changed in terms of Taiwan is the military balance of power has dramatically shifted more toward the PRC in recent years but that is about it.
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Dec 23, 2021 17:13
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Didn't a US Senator recently admit that there were thousands of US troops on Taiwan
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Dec 23, 2021 17:19
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gradenko_2000 posted:Didn't a US Senator recently admit that there were thousands of US troops on Taiwan Fairly certain Tsai Ing-wen just said it in some interview quote:Tsai said the presence of a small number of U.S. troops on the island is to help train their Taiwanese counterparts.
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Dec 23, 2021 17:30
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gradenko_2000 posted:Didn't a US Senator recently admit that there were thousands of US troops on Taiwan https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/cornyn-us-troop-numbers-afghanistan-taiwan-fact-check/index.html https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1427615237457342465
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Dec 23, 2021 17:45
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genericnick posted:It's the season for plague marines again lol we treat our allies like poo poo and they just begrudgingly take it
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Dec 23, 2021 17:47
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lol we treat our allies like poo poo and they just begrudgingly take it We? Our?
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Dec 23, 2021 17:51
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Ah, I wonder if congressmen/senators would sell of the stocks they have from companies still getting supplies from the region (they wont)
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Dec 23, 2021 18:04
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Japan is in the unique position of being both a First World country and a colonial subject of the United States. So they get all the advantages of being a neocolonial power center, but with all the impotent humiliation of having their sovereignty constantly violated by swaggering Americans. And really, it's not fair. Nazis got to be reincorporated into NATO's command structure. They got to play soldier while Japanese war criminals had to settle for being politicians and businessmen. If you're a fascist who craves martial glory then this kind of arrangement will drive you insane. japan had its economy torpedoed and several lost decades at the behest of the usa when they got too uppity and were made to direct their capital from export led surpluses to inflating a giant domestic real estate bubble
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Dec 23, 2021 18:15
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mila kunis posted:japan had its economy torpedoed and several lost decades at the behest of the usa when they got too uppity and were made to direct their capital from export led surpluses to inflating a giant domestic real estate bubble They also had the economic boom because of USA. They've been getting their chain yanked every which way for over 60 years now. edit: Must have been really confident about containing China in the future. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 18:22 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Dec 23, 2021 18:19
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mila kunis posted:japan had its economy torpedoed and several lost decades at the behest of the usa when they got too uppity and were made to direct their capital from export led surpluses to inflating a giant domestic real estate bubble Japan will never go anywhere as long as the LDP is the dominant force in Japanese politics. Lostconfused posted:They also had the economic boom because of USA. They've been getting their chain yanked every which way for over 60 years now. Honestly at the this point it may have been better for them to have gone rogue.
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Dec 23, 2021 18:22
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Lostconfused posted:They also had the economic boom because of USA. They've been getting their chain yanked every which way for over 60 years now. yeah i remember in the 2000s/early 2010s a bunch of articles came out that were like "afraid of china surpassing the usa? they said the same about japan but look at them now haha". but china's not a satellite state of the american empire and probably would never be forced into something like the plaza accord
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Dec 23, 2021 18:23
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mila kunis posted:yeah How about a scenario where a renewed radical socialist party defeats the LDP in a surprise election, rejects the Plaza Accords and instead floats a loan to Moscow in exchange for access to Soviet markets? Also, 95% English speaking journalists seem to be weirdos with some type of superiority/dominance complex. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 18:30 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Dec 23, 2021 18:26
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Ardennes posted:Honestly at the this point it may have been better for them to have gone rogue. I dont think that at the time they could have, it was a really bad time for their bubble to pop from geopolitical standpoint. The conditions aren't there for it to happen again in japan, but if it did go through an economic resurgence again they would be in a much better spot to tell the US to go gently caress themselves not that they would, unless that economic resurgence was caused by 
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Dec 23, 2021 18:35
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Speaking of minority cultures and languages, what's everyone take on the latest attempt by China to genocide a culture? Saw a lot of mumbling about inner Mongolia and the perfidious Han outlawing Mongolian. its been an issue since the early 00's actually. its been part of a back and forth on what amount of classes are to be taught in mongolian and which in mandarin
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Dec 23, 2021 18:43
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Ardennes posted:How about a scenario where a renewed radical socialist party defeats the LDP in a surprise election, rejects the Plaza Accords and instead floats a loan to Moscow in exchange for access to Soviet markets? the ussr was getting gorby-fied by that point and it took a few years for the real estate bubble to build up and wreck japan till date also probably japan would go with the prc and not the ussr, although domestic consumption capacity in china was piss poor at that point to be able to afford japanese goods. did soviet citizens have enough savings to be able to afford japanese exports?
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Dec 23, 2021 18:43
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I dont think that at the time they could have, it was a really bad time for their bubble to pop from geopolitical standpoint. Their bubble was forced to pop though, they could have gone in a very different direction and focused on improving the livelihood of their population and generally ignored the accords and pushing QE. They (the LDP) obviously didn’t but they weren’t fated to collapse in 1984. mila kunis posted:the ussr was getting gorby-fied by that point and it took a few years for the real estate bubble to build up and wreck japan till date He had just come to power in 1985, but I think it is more Japan could have easy access to Soviet oil and gas, something they needed in exchange for the same joint enterprises that the PRC was getting into. Also, by 1985 the Sino-Soviet split had actually soften quite a bit and they may have gained access to both markets while building up domestic demand by borrowing against the Yen. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 18:50 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Dec 23, 2021 18:45
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genericnick posted:I certainly can't claim any kind of special knowledge from the time in Japan. The Academic environment didn't seem any more poisonous than the usual. "Guest worker" programs, as they were called in Germany seemed to exceptionally suck, but probably not that much more than here. Yeah one thing I hate about the western discourse on Japan is westerners act like the Japanese people are entirely blameless and separate from their government, which is stupid because s majority of the Japanese obviously agree with th LDP and Nippon Kaigi, which is why they keep winning.
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Dec 23, 2021 18:53
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Ardennes posted:How about a scenario where a renewed radical socialist party mysteriously has their entire leadership assassinated and goes on to lose by historic margins in the Diet in a follow up election
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Nah it would be a scenario where the socialist is assassinated by a far right wing youth with a katana on national TV and nothing really happens.
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