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Kraftwerk posted:Gen Z thinks millennials are dumb for going into debt to go to college in the first place. They figured they could skip college and go straight into trading crypto/NFTs and running various online businesses to beat the system without racking up debts. I'm speculating but I think that's why Gen Z is less forgiving about debt. Gen X on the other hand came of age during the "benefits" of Reagan's presidency and thus are way more conservative than either generation. So much bonkers nonsense here when the most obvious analysis is that Gen Z is simply not old enough to have lived year after year after year with crushing student debt.
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Mellow Seas posted:I think you might be waaaaaay overgeneralizing some stuff here. I mean, for one, Gen Z is barely less supportive of forgiving EDIT/DISCLAIMER: My two most recent things here are opinions based on my own personal speculation and interpretation of events. I want to add that I am biased by a sense of disillusionment with the modern left. This doesn't mean I no longer hold left wing views. I just don't see a practical way forward given how entrenched capital is this time. I maintain my original premise that the system will not be upset by a movement for political change, but rather by wealth destroying outside forces (World war or unexpected climate change impacts). That's fair I might be reading into it a little too deeply... I just think Gen Z is better positioned to learn from our mistakes. I've also noticed in my extended social circles that there's an aggressive cohort of younger millennials and old Gen Zs who have this "hustle and make money at all costs" mindset. I know of one such group of people who opened a business 2 years ago to sell parts to cryptocurrency miners via Amazon's distribution system. Upfront costs were minimal but their profits month over month have risen exponentially and they buy stuff like cables by weight in China and then sell them individually per unit in North America. They're getting big tenders from large clients and are now grossing 1million per year. That doesn't include my more immediate friend's crypto holdings which were coasting from the last crash (2017) at like 25-30k and now they're worth almost half a million dollars and climbing. None of this is going to last forever obviously. At some point the crypto boom will stop for a while or stall. But as long as they're smart with the money they will continue to put it to whatever is "next" and basically get ahead in a system that is otherwise rigged against them. Don't get me wrong. A lot of this stuff is morally grey and shady. I'm not saying this should be the formula for how we live our lives or build our wealth. But in the absence of any real political change a lot of people decided they'd take matters into their own hands and find another solution to getting around the rigged system. More and more people I run into are resigned that no help is coming, that the economy is not going to change and that the oligarchy has been winning repeatedly since the 1980s. Even if you get a momentary reprieve like the New Deal, it seems that capitalism is like orbiting a black hole. The gravity it generates towards it's direction is unshakable and the best you can do is adjust your orbit around it so you don't get pulled past the point of no return. As things stands we're pretty much at the precipice of the event horizon due to capitalism's regulatory capture and impact on climate change. What do we in this thread believe in more? Nature or nurture? The Greatest Generation and the Silent Generation saw the ugliest excesses of capitalism. They remember when even something basic like a good pair of boots was a luxury only rich people could afford. They grew up in tightly knit communities based around mutual interests and had to rely on immediate members of their community to survive. The entire culture and society of that era was very communal in nature because there was no other way to survive on your own. The way people had to live then was in itself inherently compatible with socialist ideas. I think a lot of this is why the more rural states had a tendency to support some form of agrarian socialism that helped fuel support for the new deal. The depression singlehandedly put capitalism into crisis and meanwhile as far as anyone knew, the Soviet Union was paying to bring American experts over there to help design and build Stalin's factories for his 5 year plans. There was an alternative form of government modeled for everyone to see and it offered a very serious alternative to the status quo. Contrast that to Baby Boomers and Gen X. By comparison to the generations who came of age between 1890 and 1940, the people who grew up in the 1950s got to enjoy near unlimited economic prosperity on a macro level. The opportunities seemed limitless. Companies that today would have been viewed as inefficient dinosaurs were back then making obscene amounts of money and offering lifetime employment for everyone. These (white) people had every imaginable tool at their disposal to build wealth and success. You didn't even need college half the time because you could work reliable union jobs albeit in very dangerous and dirty lines of work. In a time of excess like that, it's probably easy for all those people to develop a sense of entitlement since all they had to do was scratch the surface and they were getting paid and building some form of socioeconomic capital. By the time they matured in their careers they got to witness the collapse of the Soviet Union and Reaganomics "fixing" all the problems of stagflation, the oil crisis etc etc. Communism was defeated and everyone decided that there is no alternative and Francis Fukuyama wrote the end of history.... Is it any wonder these boomers are so conservative then? They had every imaginable opportunity and advantage at their fingertips, in this coddled and fertile economy they were able to achieve a lot through "hard work" and in this privilege they're completely blind to the bleak economic conditions of millennials today. Modern post war society encouraged things like white flight, suburb development etc. Meanwhile societal changes led to more alienation and individuality. People didn't need their neighbors and community groups anymore. They had enough money to take care of themselves and their immediate families... So society overall became extremely individualistic and consumerist. Again... nature vs nurture--- I believe if 2008 never happened and Millennials had even a TASTE of the kind of opportunity and good times the boomers had, they... we would be just as conservative. I think the masses, and people as a whole cannot really perceive or reference macroeconomic and political forces that affect them personally. They see the more immediate picture... "Do I have a job? What is the price of gasoline? How much food can I afford? Do I go to costco?". They don't think about things like the value chain, the arbitrary way corporations raise their margins when they can get away with it. They don't know P&G controls most of the personal care industry and can set prices to whatever they want without competition. So it's easy for people to think they and they alone are responsible for their success and that the government is useless because they can't "see" what the government does outside of what fox news tells them. So millennials grew up with the promise that if they "Get the piece of paper" they're gonna get a corporate job like their forefathers, buy a house, have a kid and retire. All of that got turned upside down in 2008 and in the absence of a good enough explanation we started looking beyond the immediate world and became radicalized socialists. Gen Z likewise will probably take a socialist turn because they got to see it coming from much further away than we did. I think our material conditions have done more to inspire our political beliefs than any specific thing associated with our generation, DNA or whatever other "nature" causes we'd attribute. Where am I going with this? We are battling decades of misinformed economic inertia from a more Keynesian oriented system while living in a mature economy built on the premises of neo-classical economics. 2008 should've been the point in time we rebooted the economy to a new kind of system, but instead we propped up the old one and refused to acknowledge an alternative. The Boomers' own experiences without their knowledge or personal acknowledgement of their macroeconomic context has turned them all into raging conservatives as much as the current system has turned us into hardcore socialists. But unlike the socialists of yesteryear, we don't have a million military vets from a world war with guns and a socialist friendly superpower to back up a revolution if our demands aren't met. We don't even have the community circles and support networks the WW2 generation had to build socialism from into a mass movement. We're still atomized voices shouting uselessly into the internet hoping something different will happen while all the guns, intuitions, organization and propaganda is run by capital. So where do we go from here? Who is going to be our modern Lenin who writes a 21st century version of "What is to be done?". Is a communist system even the answer? Considering former communist citizens ran as fast they could to live in Western style consumerist systems the moment they could, I do wonder if a communist system is a solution either. If you ideologically or politically try to control how goods are produced and distributed in a system, then all you have is a class of oligarchs and billionaires whose power comes from their political power rather than financial power. The Soviet and Chinese elite realized they could be living far more luxurious lifestyles if they just played ball with capitalism gave up this whole socialism thing. So short of creating a scandinavian style social democratic system which capital will immediately begin undermining for 40 years before re-creating the present status quo I don't think we have any real political solutions for this problem. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Some of the bigger anti-vax and pro-Trump media voices are publicly disagreeing with Trump. Ranging from "disappointed" to "disqualifying" for saying that people who are vaccinated are less likely to die. I've said it before, but it still amazes me that for his strongest supporters: - "If you need an abortion, then you should get one" to "We gotta ban all abortions except for medical ones" to "send women who get abortions to jail" to "ban abortions, but don't send them to jail" = Okay. - "We gotta get all the guns off the street" to "I'm a big 2nd amendment guy" to "ban bump stocks" to "we love our second amendment, don't we folks?" = Okay. - "We're gonna make the rich people like me pay our fair share" to "who do you think are the job creators? Rich guys like me. We need to unleash the job creators. I don't pay taxes because I'm smart." = Okay. - "No cuts to Medicaid" to "Medicaid is a socialist program and it's a mess" = Okay. - "Religion is a business too. They make money. Religion is for weak people" to "I'm the most Christian President, maybe ever" = Okay. All of those they can explain away what he really meant. They can defend admitting to sexual assault. They can explain why all his proposed ideas except for tax cuts never manifested themselves. They can defend using a sharpie to hastily edit a hurricane path. They can rationalize why he is so defensive and insecure, but also the most macho alpha in existence. They can say, "I would die for Trump and gladly fight for him." But, "vaccinated people are less likely to die" = "DISQUALIFYING" https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1474053953528733697 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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The sigma mindset hustle grinders do seem super common in the youthful cohorts nowadays, but it's probably mostly a product of the fact that some among them's entire lives are consumed with a drive to build a brand and never stop advertising, which every social media platform has bent over backwards to enable and encourage. Probably no better time in history to be recruiting for MLMs or a narcissist The thing to be hopeful about if you're looking for that sort of thing is just how normalized among them stuff like socialism and LGBT rights are, when I was that age everybody was a moron libertarian (including myself)
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Some of the bigger anti-vax and pro-Trump media voices are publicly disagreeing with Trump. Ranging from "disappointed" to "disqualifying" for saying that people who are vaccinated are less likely to die. Messed up as all that is, the end result will probably be Trump swinging anti-vax. In the past he's been plenty willing to move to whatever gets cheers from his followers, like when he took up the cause of the wall, or realized he had to embrace the evangelicals despite no real religious engagement in his life. He'll just need time to spin the right story about how his plan would have been great and wonderful and what happened was nothing like that because of betrayals.
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Epic High Five posted:The sigma mindset hustle grinders do seem super common in the youthful cohorts nowadays, but it's probably mostly a product of the fact that some among them's entire lives are consumed with a drive to build a brand and never stop advertising, which every social media platform has bent over backwards to enable and encourage. Probably no better time in history to be recruiting for MLMs or a narcissist It definitely won't make them all rich. People talk a lot about nfts for instance but it seems to be like a 4 to 5 digit number of mostly already rich people who are really actively trading nfts day to day, but the hype cloud is immense.
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FizFashizzle posted:I cannot overstate how little the average patient knows about covid, the vaccines, or masks. I had a new doctor appointment with my wife. When we got on the subject of vaccines we let her know that we have both been vaccinated, boosted, and have our flu shots. She seemed genuinely ecstatic and went into a speech about how nice it was not having to explain that to us. It made me happy until I thought about it and got pretty sad.
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Wang Commander posted:It definitely won't make them all rich. People talk a lot about nfts for instance but it seems to be like a 4 to 5 digit number of mostly already rich people who are really actively trading nfts day to day, but the hype cloud is immense. Oh no the whole thing is literally designed around an overwhelming majority eating poo poo, and more or less all of them coming after the system has been set up and normies start hearing about it I think the last dive into NFTs found something like 90% of trading coming from the top 5%, just clearing juicing the price and laundering Problem is that its durable and the superfans completely immune to reason because of self selecting mechanisms aka anybody who can just drop 250k on an ape jpg hyperlink isnt probably paycheck to paycheck or going to be much worse off if it implodes beyond their rich people number going down
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https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1474028423504932871 He is outright defending Biden in the interview.
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Killer robot posted:Messed up as all that is, the end result will probably be Trump swinging anti-vax. In the past he's been plenty willing to move to whatever gets cheers from his followers, like when he took up the cause of the wall, or realized he had to embrace the evangelicals despite no real religious engagement in his life. I honestly don't think so The man is a narcissist first and foremost: vaccines (for him) and medicine (for him) keep him alive, and he's savvy enough to realize it's his own base of support that dies off Plus again narcissist: he thinks he invented the vaccine: it's his great Presidential accomplishment. Narcissists eventually lose their hold on the narrative because they never really were charismatic to begin with: it just allows other narcissists to justify their poo poo. The minute he hurts the Wacko grifter narrative is the minute he is dust, and he's too narcissistic to stop himself from self inflicted wounds.
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Epic High Five posted:The sigma mindset hustle grinders do seem super common in the youthful cohorts nowadays, but it's probably mostly a product of the fact that some among them's entire lives are consumed with a drive to build a brand and never stop advertising, which every social media platform has bent over backwards to enable and encourage. Probably no better time in history to be recruiting for MLMs or a narcissist I mean what's the alternative? Go to college for a useless degree and rack up debt, then work a 9-5 you hate forever. Or go straight to the workforce and eat poo poo in retail. Or... hustle and see if it works! Your healthcare is gonna be awful regardless
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SimonChris posted:https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1474028423504932871 Rehabilitation... complete
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FizFashizzle posted:I cannot overstate how little the average patient knows about covid, the vaccines, or masks. It definitely doesn't help that a lot of guidance is still vague and inconsistent. At least when places had mask mandates a lot of people would comply!
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camoseven posted:I mean what's the alternative? Go to college for a useless degree and rack up debt, then work a 9-5 you hate forever. Or go straight to the workforce and eat poo poo in retail. Or... hustle and see if it works! Your healthcare is gonna be awful regardless Oh I'm not saying they aren't hosed, they totally are and this is as likely to work out as anything else. It's just my read on why it seems so omnipresent a trait of zoomers, which is because we're all super online and constantly exposed to the brand building manaics
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Wang Commander posted:It definitely won't make them all rich. People talk a lot about nfts for instance but it seems to be like a 4 to 5 digit number of mostly already rich people who are really actively trading nfts day to day, but the hype cloud is immense. The crypto train has already left the station in my opinion. You're no more likely to realize a gain there than you would in the current stock market with losses far more likely. It's boring and poo poo, but basically throwing cash into an index fund benchmarked against the S&P 500 + some developing markets is still the way. Unfortunately this requires having spare capital to invest, which as we all know is unavailable for most people. These crypto "assets" (like real-estate and artwork) only have value because rich people keep buying into it and then occasionally selling on the hype of others buying into it. It very much is a ponzi scheme, but people are timing their cash-outs fast enough to profit from it... Especially if the mined like 1000 bitcoins with a laptop in 2009 and pulled up their wallet now to sell it for USD. It's just now that people realized crypto is "worth so much" compared to where it started, everyone is looking for the next big thing to get in on the groundfloor at. It's why stocks like Naked Brands, Nokia, Blackberry etc briefly spiked on the gamestop squeeze. It's why gamestop is still worth money today despite the fundamentals. Everyone wants to find the "next big thing" and I've seen shitloads of pump and dump scams all over the market. Wall-Street has spent the last 40 years since deregulation trying to securitize and invent new asset categories to profit from. Crypto just blindsided them for a while and presented a limited opportunity for criminals to launder their money and for a few small timers to get rich.... The rest of this is survivorship bias. You see the few that made it and never hear about all the people who bankrupted themselves trying to catch the wave.
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SimonChris posted:https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1474028423504932871 He can't not. His ego is centering on "the big steal" and "operation warp speed" as the defining part of his administration, in part because he basically failed at everything else except tax cuts. There's a reason why he was an unpopular piece of poo poo before he magically got elected on racism and misogyny, he widely blames everyone but himself.
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TulliusCicero posted:Plus again narcissist: he thinks he invented the vaccine: it's his great Presidential accomplishment. Narcissists eventually lose their hold on the narrative because they never really were charismatic to begin with: it just allows other narcissists to justify their poo poo. The minute he hurts the Wacko grifter narrative is the minute he is dust, and he's too narcissistic to stop himself from self inflicted wounds.
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Epic High Five posted:The sigma mindset hustle grinders do seem super common in the youthful cohorts nowadays, but it's probably mostly a product of the fact that some among them's entire lives are consumed with a drive to build a brand and never stop advertising, which every social media platform has bent over backwards to enable and encourage. Probably no better time in history to be recruiting for MLMs or a narcissist I think younger generations are definitely more innately aware of their class status and their existence as a commodity. I don't know if it's a good thing but yeah it definitely makes them more accepting of both left wing ideas and "hustle, grind, you are a brand" culture. Millennials are just hosed as a generation that exists during a huge period of upheaval. In-between a pre-internet world and this brave new one where people live their entire lives with this insane firehose of information pointed at them. It's going to get weirder. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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camoseven posted:I mean what's the alternative? Go to college for a useless degree and rack up debt, then work a 9-5 you hate forever. Or go straight to the workforce and eat poo poo in retail. Or... hustle and see if it works! Your healthcare is gonna be awful regardless My union constantly has unfilled jobs at 200k for people with college + 2-3 years of experience. Good jobs seem to basically grow on trees these days.
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Epic High Five posted:The thing to be hopeful about if you're looking for that sort of thing is just how normalized among them stuff like socialism and LGBT rights are, when I was that age everybody was a moron libertarian (including myself) Repeating myself a bit here, but if we're talking about what is driving attitude changes among younger people who are still adults (18-29, older gen Z and younger millennial), I think those Harvard youth polls that came up earlier are very interesting. That cohort seems very ready to believe in any number of widespread systemic failures, but still have a positive view of their own current circumstances and future prospects. And that didn't change much as their attitudes about Biden and Democrats started to sour. The percentage who think they'll see a second civil war in their lives is double the percentage who think they'll wind up financially worse off than their parents at the same age (35% to 17%). Current financial situation viewed positively, 71%. Country generally on right track, 18%. These people seem to see themselves as generally doing okay when it comes to their wallet, but still see the system as hosed. I think that's actually pretty encouraging?
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Wang Commander posted:My union constantly has unfilled jobs at 200k for people with college + 2-3 years of experience. Good jobs seem to basically grow on trees these days. Lmao okay. What union would this be?
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Injuryprone posted:Lmao okay. What union would this be? We're so small I'm not comfortable doxxing myself but everywhere we work we hear about similar shortages of 70k-250k workers. The jobs just loving suck though, it's blue collar stuff, think oilfield.
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Wang Commander posted:We're so small I'm not comfortable doxxing myself but everywhere we work we hear about similar shortages of 70k-250k workers. The jobs just loving suck though, it's blue collar stuff, think oilfield. "Why bother go to college I see good jobs posted all the time in my industry" soon "My industry is tiny to the point that telling you any more detail about those jobs would dox me" lol I mean, I don't doubt you that those jobs exist, and I don't doubt that you can get a good job without college. But for many, many jobs, a college degree is a minimum for HR to even pass on your resume.
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haveblue posted:Rehabilitation... complete That isn't even remotely what's happening in that post, but okay.
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The jobs are growing on trees in incredibly lovely and specific places. Got it.
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That happens when a field doesn't want to train anyone, exclusively looks for multiple years of experience, but experienced people are switching to different jobs or different fields. It's not that workers don't exist, it's that the fairytale invented by management/HR doesn't
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Gumball Gumption posted:I think younger generations are definitely more innately aware of their class status and their existence as a commodity. I don't know if it's a good thing but yeah it definitely makes them more accepting of both left wing ideas and "hustle, grind, you are a brand" culture. Speaking from personal experience as a more elder millennial I have grossly failed to adapt to the modern world. I never had much of a social media presence. Historically my relative non-participation in social media confused and even frightened some of the people I've dated, especially if they're 5 years younger. I'm basically a boomer with smaller finances. I got VERY lucky in that I've secured a "legacy" career for myself working a mature industry and thus have managed to avoid having to learn how to code and work in the myriad of dev-ops roles available to people who want a 6 figure salary. I don't have anything against working in tech. It's just not for me. I'm much more interested in simply living my life than documenting every minute of it for everyone to see online. The only regrets I have is how difficult it seems to be able to build new friendships, meet new people or even meet a partner without a professionally curated online brand. My social circles outside SA have remained mostly unchanged since I graduated university and got my first job. In fact as people start getting married, popping out babies and shifting their life priorities, it's only gotten smaller.
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eviltastic posted:The percentage who think they'll see a second civil war in their lives is double the percentage who think they'll wind up financially worse off than their parents at the same age (35% to 17%). Current financial situation viewed positively, 71%. Country generally on right track, 18%. These people seem to see themselves as generally doing okay when it comes to their wallet, but still see the system as hosed. In this poll for example, 73% of people are actually at least somewhat satisfied with their own child's school, but only 46% of the same respondents are actually satisfied with the general education system at all. I think where that actually creates an issue for reform is that you have a lot of people who correctly have a vague idea that things are bad, but the majority are also at least somewhat happy with their current situation. So, when someone comes in and says they want to bus children for example, you have people who may say the system needs to be fixed or correctly identify it's broken, but are also comfortable in their own place in the system. And I'd argue that makes it tricky for them to be agents of change. Reform and advocacy can only come from those who are willing to risk the privilege they have.
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Jaxyon posted:"Why bother go to college I see good jobs posted all the time in my industry" i think you misread the post. he's saying college+2-3 years experience, not just 2-3 years experience. also there are a bunch of entirely unsexy fields that still have very legit jobs, just no one wants to get into them for a multitude of reasons. like what kid is dreaming of being a hazmat trucker. or a hazmat train engineer. and so on. trades in general are in a v good spot currently, too and there's a fair bit of room to either keep making decent money doing res/small scale commercial or to go after big bucks doing commercial/industrial Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Jaxyon posted:"Why bother go to college I see good jobs posted all the time in my industry" Yeah I get what Wang Commander is saying but "there's good jobs out there" > "well the industry is tiny" > "they're on oil fields" is very funny. Like yeah, there are a lot of good blue collar jobs out there and they need people because an entire generation was pushed to college and told to not take blue collar work because it will grind your body into dust and kill you. And none of that's wrong, it will grind your body into dust and possibly kill you and the question then becomes is 200k a year worth that?
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Wang Commander posted:We're so small I'm not comfortable doxxing myself but everywhere we work we hear about similar shortages of 70k-250k workers. The jobs just loving suck though, it's blue collar stuff, think oilfield. Lmao my WHOLE POST was talking about how much jobs suck. Thank you SO much for chiming in to let us know that good jobs grow on trees oh but by the way they suck. Nice, helpful, ty again
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camoseven posted:I mean what's the alternative? Go to college for a useless degree and rack up debt, then work a 9-5 you hate forever. Or go straight to the workforce and eat poo poo in retail. Or... hustle and see if it works! Your healthcare is gonna be awful regardless The median college grad with an English degree still has an income of $51k and people with a degree make $1.2 million more over their lifetime than someone without. It's rough out there, but I don't think we have hit "Well, obviously, the only path forward is for everyone to drop out of school and try to sell a glossy .JPEG of a monkey smoking weed for $600,000" stage yet.
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camoseven posted:Lmao my WHOLE POST was talking about how much jobs suck. Thank you SO much for chiming in to let us know that good jobs grow on trees oh but by the way they suck. Nice, helpful, ty again Most jobs suck! This whole job quality argument is dumb, because most people would rather be laying on a couch playing a dumb game on their phone or napping and you can't run a society on a world full of security guards.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah I get what Wang Commander is saying but "there's good jobs out there" > "well the industry is tiny" > "they're on oil fields" is very funny. Like yeah, there are a lot of good blue collar jobs out there and they need people because an entire generation was pushed to college and told to not take blue collar work because it will grind your body into dust and kill you. And none of that's wrong, it will grind your body into dust and possibly kill you and the question then becomes is 200k a year worth that? eh the poo poo that grind your body into dust and kills you is not the stuff paying 200k a year in most cases. that's more nuclear engineer salary than unskilled oilfield laborer E: \/ yeah that's what apprentices are for Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:eh the poo poo that grind your body into dust and kills you is not the stuff paying 200k a year in most cases. If you gently caress up your body doing that kind of skilled trades work you're doing it really wrong imo.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The median college grad with an English degree still has an income of $51k and people with a degree make $1.2 million more over their lifetime than someone without. 51k is not very much money compared to how much it cost to get that degree and how much it costs to be alive. Your second para is obviously not what I was saying.
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camoseven posted:51k is not very much money compared to how much it cost to get that degree and how much it costs to be alive. I know, I was just joking with you about your line saying it wasn't unreasonable for Gen Z to skip college and try to hustle NFTs.
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Wang Commander posted:If you gently caress up your body doing that kind of skilled trades work you're doing it really wrong imo. Many skilled tradesmen treat their bodies like poo poo too. I have *never* seen anybody use their legs to lift something off the ground lol
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Mellow Seas posted:After all these years fretting over the second amendment, who knew it would be the first that would kill us all? They can't address it that way. I mean aside from the current SCOTUS makeup, Schenck is no longer even good law and neither are the clear and present danger or bad tendency tests used in it. The current standard is imminent lawless action, which is that speech is only not protected if it is both inciting imminent lawless action, and likely to succeed. Vaccine disinfo, while abhorrent, generally meets neither of those. There's nothing imminent or lawless about shouting false things about vaccines.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:eh the poo poo that grind your body into dust and kills you is not the stuff paying 200k a year in most cases. Oh that's also bad. Grinding your body into dust should be worth lots and lots of money.
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