zone posted:

Man imagine the scale of misery if we brewed up our own Marek's disease, because lmfao

Doctor posted:

Alright I guess I need to submit myself for help, thread. Any recommendations for a mask and/or respirator for an instructor who basically has no choice but to go back in January and won't be boosted until like February. I have KN95s but they fit so tightly that its extremely difficult to lecture in for any sustained amount of time.

Doctor posted:

Alright I guess I need to submit myself for help, thread. Any recommendations for a mask and/or respirator for an instructor who basically has no choice but to go back in January and won't be boosted until like February. I have KN95s but they fit so tightly that its extremely difficult to lecture in for any sustained amount of time.

Google Butt posted:

kalensc posted:

Thanks to this thread I was able to warn the fam about omicron on day 1, and we officially kiboshed in-person stuff for the foreseeable future.

Really hope gov't closes bars and salons asap, my siblings are at risk and I'm unsure they mask as well as they should.

speng31b posted:

I think what really fucks with people the most about omicron is that it tilts hard on the individual selfishness scale. For people who have been told repeatedly all they need to do it vaxx, there's now a variant that will probably break through their vaxx, but in so doing less likely to seriously gently caress them up.

It basically took everyone's "what am I willing to risk" calculus and created a variant under the threshold where most people just can't give a poo poo anymore

Doctor posted:

Alright I guess I need to submit myself for help, thread. Any recommendations for a mask and/or respirator for an instructor who basically has no choice but to go back in January and won't be boosted until like February. I have KN95s but they fit so tightly that its extremely difficult to lecture in for any sustained amount of time.

Mr. Pizza posted:

I did the same and I've been ignored, ridiculed, and bargained with as if I am actually COVID-19.

A Bakers Cousin posted:

lol intellectual property rights are hilarious

Doctor posted:

Alright I guess I need to submit myself for help, thread. Any recommendations for a mask and/or respirator for an instructor who basically has no choice but to go back in January and won't be boosted until like February. I have KN95s but they fit so tightly that its extremely difficult to lecture in for any sustained amount of time.

cr0y posted:

It's this and a combination of people just not knowing what is actually going on and that without a booster you are basically naked. I have very well informed and dialed in colleagues who basically told me yeah I'm not getting the booster I don't need it. I don't think the people in this thread understand how loving deep into the weeds we are with the raw data and how limited the average person's capacity to understand this poo poo is.

Also after Trump lost a sizable portion of the global population just stopped paying attention to the news because they didn't have to hang global events on a loving tweet.

cr0y posted:

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

Even with a booster.
Like again, Omicron has changed things for people in this thread because we were staying on top of our vaccinations and getting jabbed every 3-5 months, but for most of the world, they either got their first full dose and called it there, or got boosted 2-3 months ago. Hitherto the primary different between the liberals and the fascists as far as the plague went was that the former were vaccinated. But as of late January or mid February, even with only Delta running around, that would no longer be the case, since the vast majority of Americans would be effectively unvaccinated thanks to it having been 4 or more months since their last jab.

Now with Omicron, we're all basically already there.

Like it's not a question of having a booster or not. The booster boosts titers as I recall, but still the most important factor in vaccine efficacy is - assuming you have had at least 2 doses - not how many jabs you've had, but when you had them. If you're 4+ months out from your booster, you're in a much worse position than someone only 2 months out from their second shot of the first full dose.

And none of this has been communicated to the public - not that many would listen - because the CDC and Biden have deliberately been sharing the lie that vaccines alone can and will save us, and thus anything that reveals the fact that the vaccines are not perfect - like, say, waning efficacy and the need for continual booster shots - is ignored and buried.

If people knew that the rest of their lives would be getting a COVID vaccine ever 3-4 months until they finally get a breakthrough and die or get maimed, I think even a sizable subset of liberals might start making noise about maybe NPIs being preferable to a vaccine-only approach.

Stereotype posted:

the spike in cases literally just started lmao. we still have at least a month before people who are getting infected right now will die. the hospitals still have weeks before this hoard of newly infected start clogging their hallways and parking lots. and more people are traveling to spread the disease than have ever traveled in history lol

https://thehill.com/homenews/coronavirus-report/587061-fauci-says-large-holiday-gatherings-not-safe-even-with-booster posted:

White House chief medical adviser Anthony Fauci said large gatherings this holiday season are not safe from the coronavirus, even for those fully vaccinated with a booster shot.

During a White House COVID-19 task force news briefing on Wednesday, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases urged Americans to "stay away" from large gatherings, which he defined as 30 to 50 people.

"Those are the kind of functions — in the context of COVID, and particularly in the context of omicron — that you do not want to go to," Fauci said.

Fauci called "parties" and larger gatherings a "higher risk," but said it would be safe for fully vaccinated individuals, who are boosted, to attend smaller family gatherings.

speng31b posted:

It basically took everyone's "what am I willing to risk" calculus and created a variant under the threshold where most people just can't give a poo poo anymore

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

If I recall, aren't local funerary rites that involve touching the dead part of, along with sanitation issues, why ebola is so able to gently caress up parts of West Africa, despite ebola making you super sick super fast?

i am harry posted:

if you haven’t at least once stared at your ceiling in the middle of the night and honestly imagined what it’s like to be ventilated and conscious and maybe dying within the next few days and your final view is the floor and the corner of the hospital room you’ve been staring at while lying prone and suffocating for the last several days…

I’m never not going to give a poo poo

i am harry posted:

if you haven’t at least once stared at your ceiling in the middle of the night and honestly imagined what it’s like to be ventilated and conscious and maybe dying within the next few days and your final view is the floor and the corner of the hospital room you’ve been staring at while lying prone and suffocating for the last several days…

I’m never not going to give a poo poo

Helith posted:

I wonder what Snowglobe of Doom and his Covid Tree have in store for us today

shackleford posted:

huh that's a pretty specific numeric range

Zugzwang posted:

Nice of Fauci to inform people of this just a few days before Christmas, when tons of gatherings have already happened or are effectively locked in.

pancake rabbit posted:

there's always some idiot who missed a key piece of info and today that idiot is me: what does NPI stand for?

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

Non profitable pharmaceutical intervention

speng31b posted:

One thing this pandemic has taught me is that every viral or zombie apocalypse movie ever has been totally wrong about the CDC

They all depict them as a competent organization overwhelmed by stunning odds

Actually what would happen is the shattered remains of our society would be littered with pamphlets that say stuff like "new guideline for workplace safety shows that most zombies can be safely readmitted to the workforce, and many zombie bites are in fact extremely mild"

pancake rabbit posted:

there's always some idiot who missed a key piece of info and today that idiot is me: what does NPI stand for?

quote:

If you are in a situation like the Philippines is in right now, where cases are very low, then you can do things like:

Mandate that anyone coming into the country has to undergo a 14-day quarantine period. This is already what we're doing, but we were very close to lifting such restrictions starting December 1st - and it was good that news of Omicron essentially motivated the BOI and the DOH/IATF to scrap such plans. If you can make sure that everyone coming into the country will be tested for covid and/or will be isolated long enough to become symptomatic before they're let out into the public, then the virus will not be introduced into a population that has already mostly eradicated it.

And we know this works to a degree given that it's been a month since Omicron was discovered and we've only detected three cases ever, and all of them were caught by our quarantine procedures.

Given that we're now down to 9,200 active cases (per the Dept of Health report dated Dec 23), then internal to the country and its communities, you can again do active contact tracing, proactive testing, and proactive isolation of suspected cases, in order to "lock down" the people who were exposed, and who might have been infected, without having to implement a wider community lockdown, because there are few enough people within that network that it can be targeted to indivuduals or individual households.

If you can zero-out the cases domestically, and you can ensure that none of it is going to be introduced into the country internationally, then you enter a scenario where you can have very few restrictions on the domestic population without being in danger of the recurrence of a surge.

My point is that you can prevent a new surge with or without a vaccine, and we know this because several countries in 2020 were able to suppress and control and even zero-out COVID, when a vaccine still wasn't available.

And I'm saying this because I want to push against this perception that vaccination, by itself, is a way to end the pandemic, because it isn't, and we know this because multiple other countries, right this very minute, are undergoing very severe surges despite their much vaccination rates, because they don't implement even half as many as restrictions as we do, and we're already down to Alert Level 2 anyway.

I'm not saying that "low vaccination rates do not pose a risk", I'm saying that if we are at risk of a surge, then all the more that we need to stop Omicron from even entering the country, and vaccination has very little to do with that.

I'm saying that if so few of our countrymen are vaccinated, then all the more that we need to prevent Omicron from (re)gaining community spread, and while vaccination is going to prevent hospitalizations and deaths from people who do catch it, that still means doing all of the other Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions designed to prevent spread, precisely because you want to avoid COVID from getting to people who are not vaccinated, because there's still so many of them.

Platystemon posted:

I read the rest of the thread in anticipation and it was nothing.


Tree
😡

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

It's the exact same as military ooh rah garbage in movies, except people are more easily swindled by the belief that all doctors are noble

Doctor posted:

Alright I guess I need to submit myself for help, thread. Any recommendations for a mask and/or respirator for an instructor who basically has no choice but to go back in January and won't be boosted until like February. I have KN95s but they fit so tightly that its extremely difficult to lecture in for any sustained amount of time.

Mr. Pizza posted:

yeah it seems a little crazy imo

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I mean it's terrible advice anyway so who loving cares?

'If you want, you can drive with your eyes shut going 80 miles per hour against traffic." is not meaningfully better advice than 'If you want, you can drive with your eyes shut going 160 miles per hour against traffic."

It's wildly dangerous non-advice that can and will get thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people killed and maimed. That Fauci can say this without having whatever staffers it is that are responsible for issuing it in writing/tweets not immediately refusing and asking him if he's loving lost his goddamn mind is a sign of systemic failure.

PITY BONER posted:

Everyone will probably say 3M Aura, which you can test drive by picking them up at Home Depot. My recommendation is that after you find a mask that fits well, search Amazon for face mask tape. I use one by Pro Tape, under "Pro 1502 Self-adhering Face Mask Tape." It's double-sided skin-safe tape that prevents the mask from moving around when talking. It stops all the rubbing, slipping, moving, etc., that usually happens during the wear period, and it helps lessen whatever nose and cheek skin damage and creasing caused by thick fiber scrubbing the face for 9 hours a time. It doesn't hurt the mask and it lasts all day. It also helps form a tighter seal around the nose area.

I've seen goons say they can't find the masks in Home Depot when they go in and wander the paint section. Just go to Home Depot's website and search the mask and then choose your local store to show availability. The exact aisle and shelf location will be listed there.

Shear Modulus posted:

what was the context for the angry face mask again