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Echoing sentiments in the thread that after the movie sloshed about in my brain for the past couple days it has improved my (already rather positive) opinion of it.
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Pirate Jet posted:This is kind of a problem with the whole series though, in the first movie someone says that nobody has survived a fight with an Agent which is what makes it all the more impressive when Neo can handle them - but the later films just turn them into cannon fodder. This is what happens when your character becomes Goku. The first part of the film with Neo stuck in this meta hellscape of having to develop another Matrix was hilarious, then everything took a huge nosedive when it tried doing its own original idea. God drat what a terrible film. I've never seen so many people walk out of a showing. Most of the audience was bored as hell and half of the row behind us fell asleep, the only reactions were laughs during the first act. Well, there was one dude who cheered and clapped for one of the fights scenes for a split second until he realized he was alone, lmao. The only good imagery that's going to stick was the 9/11 tributes during the car chase at the end. I can't even remember how many characters in this unzip their pants, pop a squat and take a fat poo poo of exposition on the audience to explain every stupid thing that we never saw take place. We also get the ultimate bad guy cliche where he explains his whole god drat contrived plot while the main characters are weakened.
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Rexicon1 posted:Lana will never reach the heights of Speed Racer ever again. The only perfect movie. You're extremely correct.
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Smythe posted:Girl rage at the end was mega cringe but not unexpected. Did a facepalm irl. same band whose lead peed on that dudes face a month ago lol
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The stinger got a chuckle out of me but it did feel a bit out of date. What would have made it next level is if it were the team discussing synergistically partnering with Space Jam 2. "We could have Speedy Gonzales hop across the bullets." "Yeah, yeah! And then the granny jumps up and the camera spins around and she makes a bullet time joke!!"
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Oh jeez I just realized the human settlement isn’t “Io” like the moon or the goddess, it’s “I/O” like Input/Output. /groan
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Dec 24, 2021 13:50
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It would be really funny if the stinger was entirely serious and the next matrix thing was some hyper serious silent animated short about deja vu where a cat is the first thing resurrections technology is used on and they have some super tragic backstory or something
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Dec 24, 2021 13:52
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Butternubs posted:The tagline should have been "we made the film wrong, as a joke"
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Dec 24, 2021 14:19
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This was uh, not very good My expectations were incredibly low though so I enjoyed it in a schlocky way
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Odoyle posted:Oh jeez I just realized the human settlement isn’t “Io” like the moon or the goddess, it’s “I/O” like Input/Output. /groan wait until you hear about what Zion stood for
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Odoyle posted:Oh jeez I just realized the human settlement isn’t “Io” like the moon or the goddess, it’s “I/O” like Input/Output. /groan Considering there were people who missed the reason Niobe is old I think you can be forgiven. Not related to you specifically, but looking at some reviews and criticisms of this film, it's amazing the degree to which people can not only miss subtext but the actual text of the film itself. I don't think it bodes well for film as a medium, because if you have to spell out every tiny detail multiple times to make sure it doesn't go over anyone's head, it really hamstrings your ability to create art.
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Dec 24, 2021 15:50
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Does understanding the subtext suddenly make people enjoy it?
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Dec 24, 2021 15:53
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Vintersorg posted:Does understanding the subtext suddenly make people enjoy it? I tend to prefer books where the letters form words, and the words are in turn arranged into coherent prose.
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Dec 24, 2021 16:11
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Asema posted:wait until you hear about what Zion stood for Is there word play involved beyond the JudeoChristian meaning?
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Vintersorg posted:Does understanding the subtext suddenly make people enjoy it?
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After watching the movie I am only further convinced that it would have been better as a VR game with the graphics from the Unreal tech demo. Settling for a movie, still pretty good
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Dec 24, 2021 16:49
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Now we need a video game tie-in to the movie that goes even more into the meta yeah when I walked out of the theater the other day I was definitely thinking to myself that I'm gonna be pissed if we don't get an epic new Matrix game. i want it so bad
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At the risk of reigniting the rather silly therapist conversation again (the movie is not saying all therapists are evil...) here is a relatively nuanced, detailed work of criticism on the topic (by a critic who has a lot of stuff to say about the series - see also this article about how the movie helped her accept herself as a transgender woman and this podcast episode plus this podcast episode if you want more).
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Now we need a video game tie-in to the movie that goes even more into the meta Not quite it, but its the Matrix Unreal Engine 5 tech demo.
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Dec 24, 2021 17:16
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Necrothatcher posted:The cis white hetero couple are secretly trans. I mean, neither Neo nor Trinity are trans but you're being willfully dense if you don't get the Lana couldn't have made that allegory any more obvious. 
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Dec 24, 2021 17:56
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Mental health professionals are there to manipulate you. Going off meds will actually help you understand the world better. You love her, she doesn't really know who you are but come on she doesn't actually love that guy. Everyone else you see is functionally just a bot following a loop or someone actively trying to suppress you. When you drink and consider suicide it's the only time you're really alive. This person certainly isn't about to shoot up a grocery store.
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Dec 24, 2021 18:11
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I don’t think the movie is in any way anti-psychiatric and in fact the Analyst’s plan for controlling people by paying attention to people’s emotional realities and personal narratives and keeping them in repetition compulsions that can never be satisfied coheres extremely well with Classical Psychoanalysis.
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Necrothatcher posted:I liked the movie, but it feels like there's a lot of heavy mental gymnastics going on in ITT. Do you think what The Analyst was doing with Neo was a genuine attempt at therapy? Do you think he was seeing patients other than Neo?
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TTBF posted:Do you think what The Analyst was doing with Neo was a genuine attempt at therapy? Do you think he was seeing patients other than Neo? Lol I love this idea. Sorry, Thomas, can we reschedule? I built this world for you buuut I’m about to hit a breakthrough with Becky and I need to see this through.
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Dec 24, 2021 18:47
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there are really bad gatekeeping therapists, especially in the trans world, and NPH's character is clearly representative of that kind of therapist. it's not subtle
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Dec 24, 2021 18:48
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I thought it was great that "matrix within a matrix" happened, not once but twice. The modal but also subtly with Neo with the VR headset during the montage.
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King Vidiot posted:I mean, neither Neo nor Trinity are trans but you're being willfully dense if you don't get the Why not just put trans characters in the movie?
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Dec 24, 2021 19:27
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The audacity of just showing film footage and going "yep, this is a video game, this is a video game that was made".
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King Vidiot posted:The audacity of just showing film footage and going "yep, this is a video game, this is a video game that was made". Thomas Anderson: Sega CD visionary.
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King Vidiot posted:The audacity of just showing film footage and going "yep, this is a video game, this is a video game that was made". Seems almost like dream logic to me. If only there was some premise of this film which placed the events into the context of dreams or simulacrum
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I wanna give a quick shout out to the dude who played the conventional boring Chicago Cop in Sense8 showing up in fetish gear in this movie. I think at one point he was literally wearing a dog collar while fighting Agents. Props.
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tin can made man posted:Seems almost like dream logic to me. If only there was some premise of this film which placed the events into the context of dreams or simulacrum Cool, I thought it was funny and I like the movie but go off.
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As a person with mental health problems, I was initially concerned about the "don't take your medicine" angle but then around the Japanese train scene where they do a mass shooting I stopped taking it seriously and was okay with treating the movie as escapism. The swarm was kind of silly anyway, we didn't need a zombie movie tacked on
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Mike N Eich posted:I wanna give a quick shout out to the dude who played the conventional boring Chicago Cop in Sense8 showing up in fetish gear in this movie. I think at one point he was literally wearing a dog collar while fighting Agents. Props. lol
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Dec 24, 2021 21:09
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J33uk posted:Mental health professionals are there to manipulate you. Going off meds will actually help you understand the world better. You love her, she doesn't really know who you are but come on she doesn't actually love that guy. Everyone else you see is functionally just a bot following a loop or someone actively trying to suppress you. When you drink and consider suicide it's the only time you're really alive. Your parents are dead and its OK to use your privilege to punch mentally unstable people in the face Radiation makes you stronger and the woman you love love you Join the military and get super steroids and you too can live for 80 years This person certainly isn't about to shoot up a grocery store.
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apparently the morpheus storyline about trying to find neo was the plot of the matrix online video game. wow. thats loving sick canon integration. bravo
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