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Ardennes posted:Admittedly, I think the entire construction boom of the 2010s in Turkey was pretty much one giant scam. Smart countries keep the boom going artificially because money is fake. e.g. China
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Dec 25, 2021 06:18
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Some Guy TT posted:why do you just read the article yourself and come to your own conclusions instead of relying on me to tell you what to think ACAB but also probably they’re gonna learn less murder techniques than from the NYPD or Shin Bet I’m actually amazed the NYPD foreign liaisons never got into a gun battle but also lol at that police commander on vacation whose bodyguard did a citizens arrest of a French guy. I can’t find the story for the life of me right.l now
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Dec 25, 2021 06:33
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I guess the coup attempt failed then
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Dec 25, 2021 06:42
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quote:Around 200 police and soldiers from Australia, New Zealand, Fiji and Papua New Guinea arrived in the Solomons capital of Honiara within days of the riots, at Sogavare’s request. Ok so is Australia a rogue state interfering in the affairs of others too then? I already know what you're all going to say.
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Dec 25, 2021 07:14
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https://twitter.com/SixthTone/status/1474621251348013058?s=20 Santa shows hole in China. The libs can not handle this.
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Dec 25, 2021 07:14
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No liberals = no War on Christmas.
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Dec 25, 2021 07:20
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Dicknosing at the genocide oath party.
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Dec 25, 2021 07:26
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https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1474625967436009473   what cause for celebration!
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Dec 25, 2021 08:13
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cenotaph posted:Dicknosing at the genocide oath party. No they’re muslims praying, dicknosing at a future mass grave site
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Dec 25, 2021 08:22
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Vasukhani posted:what cause for celebration! Ukraine is a cucked country.
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Dec 25, 2021 08:33
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Ukraine is a cucked country. Ucuckraine
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Dec 25, 2021 08:38
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Vasukhani posted:https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1474625967436009473 Looks like Turkmenistan his number one exporter of potassium
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Dec 25, 2021 09:02
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gradenko_2000 posted:If you want to dive deep into this, I'd recommend "Creating Russophobia" by Guy Mettan That's a good recommendation, but it's not quite the turning point nobody seems to identify. I remember at the time it was happening that the Georgia War really changed the way that America and Americans viewed Russia. The more I read articles in the western press the more it seems like that was the big pivot. It was the culmination of 8 years of the Bush administration treating Russia like a junior partner in American foreign policy, and constantly expanding NATO despite assuring the Russians that we would stop. Georgia was the point when the government and press generally turned against Russia because we treated it as the Evil Empire making a comeback - but really it's because we had up-gunned the Georgian military with US equipment and given Sukashvili assurances that we would back him to the hilt. So when the Russian army rolled over the Georgian army so effortlessly - and didn't overstep the bounds by doing something stupid like invading Georgia's interior and overthrowing the government - it was humiliating to Americans because it demonstrated how impotent we were. This was when everything about the Bush administration's policy hinged on the impression of impregnable American hyperpower.
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Dec 25, 2021 09:13
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Red and Black posted:Yeah, that makes sense. I would still like to read something more in depth on how the relationship soured. Bill Burn, current Director of the CIA and US Ambassador to Russia from 2005 to 2008 lays the post-9/11 US-Russia warmth turning chill down to US support for Kosovo independence, the offer of NATO membership to Georgia and Ukraine, and US plans for missile defenses in Central Europe. He says he thinks relations could have saved one of the three, but not all three at once in this video for his memoir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92KTf0Y1l4Y He wrote this email* to the higher ups in the Bush Administration in 2008 where in section three he lays out how things will go with a great deal of accuracy looking back 13 years from then. quote:3. I fully understand how difficult a decision to hold off on MAP will be. But It's equally hard to overstate the strategic consequences of a premature MAP offer, especially to Ukraine. Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines *  
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Dec 25, 2021 10:01
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That's ironically also why the US and Western Media went to great lengths to imply that Russia was the aggressor.
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Dec 25, 2021 10:02
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Georgia was also the trigger for unreformed cold warriors to really go off the deep end. Like, John McCain was calling for us to bomb the Roki Tunnel.
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Dec 25, 2021 10:21
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My guess for when the relations soured between Europe and Russia were in 2007 when the Bronze night happened. That mess really killed any good will that there could have been between Russia and the Baltic states. Georgia was continuation of that.
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Dec 25, 2021 10:28
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Vasukhani posted:https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1474625967436009473 Also let's not forget that the USSR was dissolved against the will of the majority of Ukrainians. Over 70% voted to maintain the union.
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Dec 25, 2021 10:52
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I vaguely remember the Yukon CEO being locked up to be what set Russia on the path to become the Evil Empire again. We were all very concerned for this dude's health.
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Dec 25, 2021 10:57
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It really is just the US losing its poo poo Iran-style over a country daring to no longer be under their literal control.
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Dec 25, 2021 11:46
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https://twitter.com/marco_maiocchi/status/1474402571695628290
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Dec 25, 2021 12:58
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i love that you'll click a tweet about chinese ppl living longer than americans and then below it is a chen weihua beatdown. thank u algorithm
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Dec 25, 2021 13:00
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president Putin please save Ukraine their people yearn for freedom
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Dec 25, 2021 13:04
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Just going to quote one of my early posts hereLostconfused posted:I am still trying to get over watching Brat 1 and 2. The first movie released in 1997 was a bleak nihilistic portrayal of post soviet Russia, criminal underworld, and the lack of any hope for the future. This scene in particular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0O3jnLvBxw&t=3791s I still can't get over how hard the sequel swerved into outright nationalist propaganda and that it was so long ago. Bonus points for the "bad guy" in the movie working with Ukranian Mafia.
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Dec 25, 2021 15:32
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I would say it makes a lot of sense considering the timing, a lot changed between 1997 and 2000 and I would say the “break” between Russia and the West generally occurred during that era.
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Dec 25, 2021 15:55
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I noticed "X in US costs ~20x more per capita versus China" is a common theme when it comes to infrastructure, military and healthcare costs.
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Dec 25, 2021 16:56
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Ukraine belongs to the United States enough!
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Dec 25, 2021 16:59
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US foreign policy post Iraq invasion has been a combination of insanely aggressive soft power NatSec/NGOs "advancing democracy" via destabilizing color revolution coups everywhere it possibly can but simultaneously having fairly limited hard power backing up that aggression if countered with hard force. Putin called the West out on the strategy fairly early and demonstrated in Georgia/Crimea/Syria the clear weakness of the strategy when countered with force. Mutual recognition and hatred of this soft power destabilizing strategy from the west has been the greatest point of unity between Russia and China.
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Dec 25, 2021 18:27
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https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1077338203584151554?s=20 Scary stuff
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Dec 25, 2021 18:29
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well, they've got, what, 6 hours? Get on it, Vlad.
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Dec 25, 2021 18:30
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Maybe they mean the Orthrodox Christmas under the Julian calendar which is like Feb 7th?
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Dec 25, 2021 18:42
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like another poster said this narrative has been put out every drat year it seems every christmas or winter a deluge of russia is gonna do a full scale invasion that ends up being pretty much nothing
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Dec 25, 2021 18:49
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I don't think Russia celebrates Christmas. Maybe they should do it for new years. Like time it for when when the Kremlin clock strikes 12, really make 2022 a year to remember.
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Dec 25, 2021 19:16
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Yeah, also Newsweek doesn’t even vaguely cares what is happening in the slightest. The only reason for Russia to attack if NATO crosses the red line there has been since 2014.
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Dec 25, 2021 19:23
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OhFunny posted:Bill Burn, current Director of the CIA and US Ambassador to Russia from 2005 to 2008 lays the post-9/11 US-Russia warmth turning chill down to US support for Kosovo independence, the offer of NATO membership to Georgia and Ukraine, and US plans for missile defenses in Central Europe. He says he thinks relations could have saved one of the three, but not all three at once in this video for his memoir: pretty telling the buzzswords: authoritarian, centralized government: well organized government with executive authority over business interests respect for human rights: neoliberalism and US property "respecting"
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Dec 25, 2021 19:28
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Throatwarbler posted:Maybe they mean the Orthrodox Christmas under the Julian calendar which is like Feb 7th? January 7th is Orthodox Christmas, but I think New Years is the big holiday in Russia.
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Dec 25, 2021 19:39
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The three days I can think of are: New Year, Old New Year, and Orthodox Easter. Edit: I guess there's also just wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_Russia Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 19:54 on Dec 25, 2021 |
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Dec 25, 2021 19:48
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Some Guy TT posted:why do you just read the article yourself and come to your own conclusions instead of relying on me to tell you what to think if i want to read an rss feed of uninformative scaremongering of evil chinese interference over *squints* 6 cops, i can go to reddit or d&d
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Dec 25, 2021 20:55
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just wanted to remind you all that 30 years ago today, the CIA backed forces of reaction illegally dissolved the USSR against the will of the soviet people, and we owe it to them to never forget what those scum took from humanity.
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Dec 25, 2021 21:00
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OhFunny posted:January 7th is Orthodox Christmas, but I think New Years is the big holiday in Russia. ah but see, because the foul, anti-christian, Russians HATE Christmas so much THEY'LL be ready to invade while our noble nazi friends in Ukraine will be too busy joining hands around a Christmas tree and singing the that song the Whos sing from the Grinch all day.
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Dec 25, 2021 21:06
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