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lomzus posted:Black Widow, Shang Chi and Eternals didnt even get a China release, so this talk about cutting out stuff doesnt matter. Or are they just banning most western movies now
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While I can understand the complaints about the sexlessness atmosphere of the films, I am 100% fine not putting sex scenes in movies because their history is one of constant blatant abuse and actors shouldn't feel obligated to put themselves in those positions for a role.
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Dec 24, 2021 20:00
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lomzus posted:Black Widow, Shang Chi and Eternals didnt even get a China release, so this talk about cutting out stuff doesnt matter. That was china’s decision though, not marvel’s. They would be bad capitalists if they didnt take that market into account very seriously
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ImpAtom posted:While I can understand the complaints about the sexlessness atmosphere of the films, I am 100% fine not putting sex scenes in movies because their history is one of constant blatant abuse and actors shouldn't feel obligated to put themselves in those positions for a role. Yeah. Like I don't think the movie industry is for the worst that there's less 20 year old actresses getting naked in B movies because they think it will be their big break or young up and coming actresses getting pressured to do nude scenes to further advance their careers. Hell the arguable most famous sexy scene in arguably the most famous erotic thriller is one that Sharon Stone says was filmed without her consent. So while I don't have a problem with sex in films in general the industry has been abusive and terrible about it and I'm not sure that an overcorrection away from it is actually a bad thing. And the MCU is a weird focus for the criticism since its not actually a franchise that seems like it should include a bunch of loving.
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Dec 24, 2021 20:30
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The complaint is less about explicit on-screen boning, as I understand it, and more that there's basically zero romance or sexual chemistry in the movies. At most you get a weird stilted smooch and often not even that so it seems like sex and romance just doesn't exist in the MCU.
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Dec 24, 2021 20:32
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I thought MJ and Peter were a well handled romance. Yeah it’s mostly chaste, but NWH really sold how they gelled together and supported one another. After watching the Raimi films drive their core romance into the ground and seeing Gwen get fridged in ASM2, it was much more satisfying.
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Dec 24, 2021 20:36
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I mean Tony/Pepper, Cap/Peggy, Thor/Jane, Star Lord/Gamora, Ant-Man/Wasp. There's definitely romance. Not all of it is good. Widow/Hulk for example. WandaVision is like an entire series built around a romance and heartbreak. Loki had a very weird romance at its core. Very little of it is especially sexy or firey or whatever but I don't think its fair at all to say there's no romance in the MCU. There's just not a ton of sex.
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Gaz-L posted:The complaint is less about explicit on-screen boning, as I understand it, and more that there's basically zero romance or sexual chemistry in the movies. At most you get a weird stilted smooch and often not even that so it seems like sex and romance just doesn't exist in the MCU.
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Dec 24, 2021 20:37
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The complaint that went big was less about whether sex and relationships exist and more about "there's a lot of actors and actresses having their bodies paraded around like sides of beef, but very few actual displays of healthy sexuality. Chris Evans has to maintain a ludicrous level of body fat but he has no chemistry with anybody because Cap has to be pure but still marketable as a sex object."
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Dec 24, 2021 20:50
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Gaz-L posted:The complaint is less about explicit on-screen boning, as I understand it, and more that there's basically zero romance or sexual chemistry in the movies. At most you get a weird stilted smooch and often not even that so it seems like sex and romance just doesn't exist in the MCU. Given how often romance is added into action movies on an almost mandated in an almost vestigial, "put it in there so they don't seem gay" kind of way, I continue to not understand this line of criticism, though. We are generally not dropping in on these characters at moments in their lives where their top concerns would be finding someone nice to smooch on. And that's without getting into the more lascivious side of things; these are Marvel movies, not Wildstorm movies (which I would be pretty excited to hear about at this point, to be honest, and Warner Bros continues to be bad at their jobs for maybe taking a look at those properties while the Boys appears to be such a success for Amazon)
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Rand Brittain posted:The complaint that went big was less about whether sex and relationships exist and more about "there's a lot of actors and actresses having their bodies paraded around like sides of beef, but very few actual displays of healthy sexuality. Chris Evans has to maintain a ludicrous level of body fat but he has no chemistry with anybody because Cap has to be pure but still marketable as a sex object." I can understand that in some cases but a lot of movies specifically do not have a healthy view of sexual relationships because healthy sexual relationships are usually not born from pausing to bone someone you just met in the middle of a worldwide crisis.
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Dec 24, 2021 21:58
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ImpAtom posted:I can understand that in some cases but a lot of movies specifically do not have a healthy view of sexual relationships because healthy sexual relationships are usually not born from pausing to bone someone you just met in the middle of a worldwide crisis. End of the world is absolutely the best time to bone someone you just met, though.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:End of the world is absolutely the best time to bone someone you just met, though.
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ImpAtom posted:I can understand that in some cases but a lot of movies specifically do not have a healthy view of sexual relationships because healthy sexual relationships are usually not born from pausing to bone someone you just met in the middle of a worldwide crisis. I think the idea is that if you're too busy to express your sexuality in a wholesome way, you should also be too busy to pose with your shirt or while crammed into a very tight leather catsuit. Like, the complaint stems from the fact that these films are very highly sexualized already, so "I'm too busy for being sexy" isn't an answer.
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Dec 24, 2021 22:36
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It's kinda funny to have a discussion about the MCU being sexless if you watch The Netflix shows because in those errybody loving. It's like they had a meeting about how to fill up a 13 hour season and every idea was followed with "and then they bone".
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Dec 24, 2021 22:44
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Parkingtigers posted:It's kinda funny to have a discussion about the MCU being sexless if you watch The Netflix shows because in those errybody loving. It's like they had a meeting about how to fill up a 13 hour season and every idea was followed with "and then they bone". One of Matt's most often referenced traits is being an impressive lady's man. So of course DD fucks.
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Dec 24, 2021 22:47
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Personally I enjoy taking my young child to these comic book movies so I don’t mind if we don’t get to see the heroes thrusting into each too often
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Dec 24, 2021 22:51
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Michael Bay-ish: “just shut the gently caress up!” https://twitter.com/trollface11321/status/1474247604238233620?s=21 This is a risk we should not be willing to take
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Dec 24, 2021 22:54
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in punisher s1 frank is very chaste and takes care of micro's family without romance and that season was very good, in the first episode of s2 he fucks and that season ended up being poo poo. coincidence??
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Retro Futurist posted:Personally I enjoy taking my young child to these comic book movies so I don’t mind if we don’t get to see the heroes thrusting into each too often
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I think the problem is people would remember the conversations they had about it so it would end up "Wait, how did we find out that kid was Spider-Man again?" I'm kinda glad movies are sexless nowadays, I always thought it was stupid when characters decided to have sex in the middle of the plot, like, there are more important things going on right now. Just because people are sexy doesn't mean we need to see them having sex, obviously Thor fucks, I never doubted it. That's what porn is for and because it's readily available now we don't need to over do it in the movies anymore.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:I think the problem is people would remember the conversations they had about it so it would end up "Wait, how did we find out that kid was Spider-Man again?" It would also erase most of the second movie and therefore a lot of what happens between him and MJ, which I don't think he'd be willing to part with.
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Dec 24, 2021 23:57
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I mean he ended up parting with it all
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I mean he ended up parting with it all At the end, but that joke pic was about the first spell.
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Lobok posted:Tony Stark banged that reporter in the very first MCU movie, which was wildly successful. Surprised they didn't learn the wrong lesson from it and have all of their heroes ploughing their way through the media.
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FlamingLiberal posted:What about pegging Pegging Carter
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you can have sexual chemistry and innuendo etc and still have it be kid friendly it doesnt have to be a close up view of thors erect cock exploding out of his pants
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Collapsing Farts posted:it doesnt have to be a close up view of thors erect cock exploding out of his pants But how else do we find out who is worthy?
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Hell you could've even just done; "Hey Dr. Strange can we make everyone forget I'm Spiderman" "Sure kid come back tomorrow morning. Magic is serious and you should think it over before we cast anything"
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I had another thought about NWH last night, appropriately At the very end Peter and MJ meet at the coffee shop, and they both finish her catchphrase about "Expect the worst, and you're never disappointed". But then, IIRC, MJ adds something to the effect of "But I feel more hopeful now than I used to." Did Peter, in true comic book Parker Luck fashion, George Bailey himself, only to find that the people he cares about most, are happier/better without him?
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I think it is more to say that their experiences together still mattered even though she can't remember.
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At least in the short term, yeah. That's why he just took his coffee and left instead of trying to explain things too them
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And after noticing the bandage on her forehead, which made him feel guilty for them being involved in his dangerous life. Cutting her out is the same thing Maguire-Man did to MJ in Spider-Man 2.
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The one that bothers me about NWH: Is Peter not supposed to have friends at all? He'd be inherently putting anyone new he gets close to in the same kind of danger as MJ and Ned. Should he only hang out with other supers?
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hiddenriverninja posted:The one that bothers me about NWH: Is Peter not supposed to have friends at all? He'd be inherently putting anyone new he gets close to in the same kind of danger as MJ and Ned. Should he only hang out with other supers? Are you asking what we think or what Peter thinks? He feels guilty about it now but he'll come around.
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ImpAtom posted:I can understand that in some cases but a lot of movies specifically do not have a healthy view of sexual relationships because healthy sexual relationships are usually not born from pausing to bone someone you just met in the middle of a worldwide crisis. Except Speed, in which Sandra Bullock specifically says that's why it's a bad idea Gaz-L posted:The complaint is less about explicit on-screen boning, as I understand it, and more that there's basically zero romance or sexual chemistry in the movies. At most you get a weird stilted smooch and often not even that so it seems like sex and romance just doesn't exist in the MCU. i mean I'm 100% on board with it, but i'm also asexual so gently caress all y'all. i don't want to see any cis hetero love scenes in my marvel movies. ANYWAYS I finally got to see this after noping out of the packed theater on release day, it was still packed but whatever, i should have died two years ago i don't care anymore. This movie was great. I was smiling and laughing the whole way through. I only picked up on three meme scenes: "I'm something of a scientist myself" Garfield Spidey saying the conners cure was "no big deal" I missed if he said "nbd" first, but the other spideys were looking confused so maybe, and then we got a little bit of the pointing spideys with the "spidey 1, spidey 2" scene Did I miss anything intesting in the last 300 posts or is it all complaining about a lack of sex?
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There was a LOT of complaining about lack of sex but most of those posts were mine and I was talking about my personal life.
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I watched Black Widow today. It was good. Not spectacular, but I was happy that only like one character died it was the irredeemable shitbag villain. For a movie that was over 2 hours I felt like it should have had more character-building moments than it did. In fact, it felt like those moments were probably filmed but then cut out of the final version. Still, since all the characters are alive hopefully we will get to revisit them some day and get more value out of them. Or maybe I'm just spoiled because now that I have DIsney+ I've been watching all the MCU shows they put out and giving these characters and stories like 6 hours to breathe and flesh things out so strongly makes the movies feel more shallow by comparison. I dunno. Just gimme a Disney+ series with Taskmaster in it, please.
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