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Jakabite posted:I don’t think it’s all that outrageous to think that it could have come from a failure of containment. It’s just that usually when people harp on about it it’s an excuse to do a racism against Chinese people. Agree with the former, not sure if you're shooting from the hip on the latter as I dont read infowars/most American media.
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I also think the idea that the leak (if it was indeed one, and like I said, I don’t think it matters) was deliberate is idiotic. Who would be stupid enough to release it not only in their own country but in the city where people were working on the virus? It’s completely implausible. Which brings us back to is being an accidental leak (if it was a leak, which is less likely). And then back to the original question of why it matters. I still don’t see how it’s practically relevant (“important immunobiology” notwithstanding).
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But if a nonhuman intelligence was trying to hide its role in the virus, somewhere with a research facility —and a large concentration of animals known to create cross-species viruses— would be the perfect place to cover your tracks.
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Azza Bamboo posted:But if a nonhuman intelligence was trying to hide its role in the virus, somewhere with a research facility —and a large concentration of animals known to create cross-species viruses— would be the perfect place to cover your tracks. Pinkie & The Brain made one major mistake - it was the virus, not them that took over the world.
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It occurs to me that its not actually that suprising that the only lab in the world equiped to detect Covid was the first to detect it, nor that a facility built to research sars/covid would exist in close proximity to a place previous outbreaks have originated from.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Somewhere between I somewhat disagree. You never k ow what hilarious poo poo you can get them to say if you don't engage. I got that @verycentrist guy to say he knows more about what is and isn't apartheid yesterday than Nelson Mandela or Desmond Tutu and that's hilarious.
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Dec 27, 2021 21:32
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Jolyon the Fox-Killer is about to show how loving dumb he is on Christmas University Challenge
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But again, nobody who thinks it was made in China (heh) whether it was a bio weapon or let out by accident, has explained why it matters at all? Should we go to war with China? Are we going to sanction the country that makes basically everything on the planet? It doesn't matter and there's nothing anybody can do about it Or any plausible evidence that that's what happened, but lets not let the that get in the way. Incidentally, I hear twisto is Terry Pratchett's illegitimate and much more boring child.
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i think you'll find they don't make melton mowbray pies or diana plates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (they prob make diana plates)
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therattle posted:And then back to the original question of why it matters. I still don’t see how it’s practically relevant (“important immunobiology” notwithstanding). Don't you have even a baseline level of curiosity about the world around you? Does there have to be a practical consequence or motive or aspect to this? None of us have any agency as it relates to this situation, what's being discussed is an attempt to investigate how it happened. Just kidding, buy my cereal and do racism
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Julio Cruz posted:Jolyon the Fox-Killer is about to show how loving dumb he is on Christmas University Challenge lol he doesn't understand the meaning of the word "centenary"
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Miftan posted:But again, nobody who thinks it was made in China (heh) whether it was a bio weapon or let out by accident, has explained why it matters at all? Should we go to war with China? Are we going to sanction the country that makes basically everything on the planet? It doesn't matter and there's nothing anybody can do about it Weird attitude to have tbh. Surely investigating the origins of COVID is scientifically useful? In the very unlikely event that it was proved to be lab made that'd at least create a push for increased restrictions on creating/working with highly infectious viruses.
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Spangly A posted:Im going to be the guy that reread the lovely dumb article and restated the incredibly obvious rebuttal to the lab leak theory: there is literally no evidence for it presented in the article, and the null hypothesis of any virus is always natural origin because that is how viruses work  Why that phrasing?
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Necrothatcher posted:Weird attitude to have tbh. Surely investigating the origins of COVID is scientifically useful? Either way, I highly doubt we'll ever find out, in much the same way we'll ever find out if HIV was created in a lab. You'd hope that there's already as many restrictions on that sort of thing anyway. I don't k ow enough about viruses to know if the origins would be helpful in combating it, you'd assume it's already fairly extensively sequenced at this point, but again, I don't know anything about it. Would it be helpful?
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endlessmonotony posted:
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because it is the given argument for why we should trust this rando instead of the scientific consensus of people with actual qualifications in related fields quote:Gilles Demaneuf is a data scientist with the Bank of New Zealand in Auckland. He was diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome ten years ago, and believes it gives him a professional advantage. “I’m very good at finding patterns in data, when other people see nothing,” he says. Mugsbaloney posted:
e; Angepain posted:yeah, i don't really see the need to bring the guy's autism into it it is literally the basis for the article
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Comrade Fakename posted:My family’s mainly dead so I’m spending Christmas with some family friends. The older parents of one of the family friend’s husband are also here. The mother is talking about how much she loves her Kindle, and how easy it is to change the page, just by flicking. This not amusing. At all. How's her clematis?
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InspectorCarbonara posted:If nothing else covid has removed any hopes I had that we could stop climate change. If people and governments are this reluctant to take the relatively small measures to stop a pandemic then lmao at them taking the bigger measures and changes to lifestyles that it would take to save us from that. This. We had major world leaders falling ill with Covid and they still haven't taken it seriously. That's like having your home destroyed by wildfires or floods and still refusing to believe climate change is happening. Re: Covid escaping from a lab, if you were creating a bioweapon you'd want something with a higher mortality rate. You don't want a pandemic that will spread everywhere including your allies and predominantly kill the over 80s, why bother with that? You want a disease that kills like Ebola. And if you are creating a bioweapon, you make sure you are creating a treatment alongside it, just in case of accidents.
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There's a lot to be said about the rapid uptake of China as the new Global Enemy. But it's difficult. It's such effective propaganda. Sometimes the call comes from inside the house. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Dec 27, 2021 |
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Julio Cruz posted:Jolyon the Fox-Killer is about to show how loving dumb he is on Christmas University Challenge Everyone on that episode should be ashamed of themselves, but especially Jojo
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Failed Imagineer posted:Everyone on that episode should be ashamed of themselves, but especially Jojo Ings was pretty good, and Glaser was OK the rest of them though, yeesh it's pretty hilarious how even the best of the "professionals" would get absolutely slaughtered by any of the student teams
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Julio Cruz posted:Ings was pretty good, and Glaser was OK I wanted Jon Robbins to be terrible, because a lot of his Friday afternoon radio-show is about people admitting to shameful things or having questions where Robbins plays the part of a know-it-all (which isn't really an act). But he was decent
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IllusionistTrixie posted:Once again we are proving this to be the most easily trolled thread in the forums. Nah, this is just everyone saying "gently caress off" but in slightly more words, this is the rare example when people engaged only minimally with the dipshit
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Good faith or not I do wish all the posters who feel the need to just say gently caress off would just ignore the offending poster.
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Jakabite posted:Good faith or not I do wish all the posters who feel the need to just say gently caress off would just ignore the offending poster. It's fine if people have to hear the words "gently caress off" sometimes, or even just read them on a dead forum. It doesn't matter at all
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Pistol_Pete posted:As as I can see, mugsbaloney was posting in good faith and I dunno why some people were reacting with such snarling hostility Yeah, I dunno if they have a history of being a dipshit (glance at posts itt and rap sheet says no) but I don't think they were some secret fash troll.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I wanted Jon Robbins to be terrible, because a lot of his Friday afternoon radio-show is about people admitting to shameful things or having questions where Robbins plays the part of a know-it-all (which isn't really an act). But he was decent I wanted him to to do badly because his radio shows quality is inversely related to how well his life is going. EDIT: While discussing OXBRIDGE comedians I fell off of Richard Herring when he started inviting labour right wingers on his comedy podcast, but I gave a recent episode ago and his Stuart lee bashing asides seem much less light-hearted, did something happen recently? JoylessJester fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Dec 27, 2021 |
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Julio Cruz posted:why would you bother listening to the thoughts of virologists or epidemiologists when you could instead listen to *checks notes* a data geek working in a New Zealand bank Yeah come on surely if we were going to listen to someone like that we'd just pay more attention to Dom Cummies
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JoylessJester posted:I wanted him to to do badly because his radio shows quality is inversely related to how well his life is going. Good news then, his fiancee left him!
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Failed Imagineer posted:Good news then, his fiancee left him! Man dumped over xmas again. The last time this happened he got an Edinburgh award.
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Failed Imagineer posted:It's fine if people have to hear the words "gently caress off" sometimes, or even just read them on a dead forum. It doesn't matter at all It’s not to protect their delicate wee hearts, it’s just tedious and pointless.
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Jakabite posted:It’s not to protect their delicate wee hearts, it’s just tedious and pointless. I honestly find the backlash to it more tedious but ok
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JoylessJester posted:Man dumped over xmas again. The last time this happened he got an Edinburgh award. My brother once dumped a girl so he didn't have to buy her a Xmas present. It would be entirely in keeping with Robbins' persona to arrange that kind of scenario
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Jakabite posted:Good faith or not I do wish all the posters who feel the need to just say gently caress off would just ignore the offending poster. This very much depends on whether you think they're only annoying to you, or you think they're making the thread worse for everyone. If you ignore them everyone else still has to deal with them. Personally, I think getting a hostile response to wanting to discuss fash talking points is pretty normal.
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For everyone asking why it matters whether the pandemic resulted from a lab leak, from what I remember of the Vanity Fair article, there are two reasonable takeaways: 1. There should be better safety precautions at these kinds of facilities, including mandatory quarantines for anyone working with infectious material (I think they suggest something akin to a shift system, 2 weeks on, 1 week in quarantine, 1 week off, or something like that) to ensure that accidental infections don't spread easily. 2. These labs shouldn't be located near major urban centres, which in turn ties back into point 1 and the need for more firewalls between the lab and the outside world. I read the VF article and some counterarguments and I honestly don't know what to make of the argument. Anyone arguing that COVID was deliberately released and that China is thus uniquely bad is obviously an idiot (and, as the article lays out, this kind of research is a collaborative endeavour -- even if it did leak from China, the research itself involves many nations), but the author lays out a pretty clear case that security and safety protocols at the Wuhan lab were shockingly lax in the period prior to the beginning of the pandemic.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I honestly find the backlash to it more tedious but ok And I find the backlash to the ‘backlash’ even more tedious but there you go. Please continue your insightful and brilliant posting.
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