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Ferrinus posted:On the contrary, the machines learning how to squeeze more juice out of fewer people only in response to restrictions born of class struggle is straight out of chapter fifteen. The issue is that the ‘juice’ is a metaphorical new-age ‘soul energy’ - and it’s well-established that these infinitely-reproducible programs all have souls....
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DaveKap posted:Y'know... I totally understand Lana trying to take back the franchise, prevent WB from running it into the ground, and pushing forward the messages she wants to push forward... This is really interesting, I had no idea the wachowskis fell into that Kubrick trap. I think Bill Pope is right about filming too much poo poo at once, ultimately 2 & 3 felt sort of soulless to me, but again, were at least an honest to god attempt and making good movies. Speaking of filming multiple projects at once, Avatar 2 should be out dec. ‘22. James Cameron has been filming like 3 movies at once lol, but he’s had like 10 years to do it.
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Dec 28, 2021 00:29
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Movie was entertaining enough, but ultimately pretty mediocre. It would’ve been way more interesting if it had stayed entirely within the matrix, basically fully committing to the ideas from the first act. Is it all real, or a simulation? Is Thomas Anderson really Neo, or is he psychotic? Did any of the previous movies even happen? Is this all part of a new simulation? Etc. That kind of mystery and maybe even open-endedness would’ve been way more interesting than the boring steampunk garbage city real world stuff, which already dragged the other sequels down.
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Dec 28, 2021 00:31
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Nuts and Gum posted:This is really interesting, I had no idea the wachowskis fell into that Kubrick trap. I think Bill Pope is right about filming too much poo poo at once, ultimately 2 & 3 felt sort of soulless to me, but again, were at least an honest to god attempt and making good movies.
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Dec 28, 2021 00:36
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resurrections will absolutely contribute to their legacy because it fuckin rules and all the haters are insane and wrong
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Dec 28, 2021 00:40
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Christopher Nolan kinda ate all the biscuits for consciousness-expanding action sequences with Inception and Tenet.
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ram dass in hell posted:resurrections will absolutely contribute to their legacy because it fuckin rules and all the haters are insane and wrong Alchenar posted:Christopher Nolan kinda ate all the biscuits for consciousness-expanding action sequences with Inception and Tenet. Tenet's highway chase definitely felt Reloaded inspired, though. Loved it. Wanted way more of it. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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ram dass in hell posted:resurrections will absolutely contribute to their legacy because it fuckin rules and all the haters are insane and wrong Yeah. It was a good and fitting conclusion. I hope they don't make any more with Neo and Trinity, though won't mind some side stories that play with the concept/world. It was a mostly happy ending.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The issue is that the ‘juice’ is a metaphorical new-age ‘soul energy’ - and it’s well-established that these infinitely-reproducible programs all have souls.... It's really no different from modern businesses wringing higher-intensity performance out of new hires by deliberately giving them imposter syndrome. The challenge for the machines has gone from creating the illusion that there's no alternative to creating a social context in which the alternative is just slightly too unpleasant, and the payoff for sticking with the status quo just tantalizingly close enough, that everyone chooses to just get out of bed and go to work today the same way they did yesterday. The new matrix is kind of like the first world, where it's actually no secret what's going on, but little incentive to do anything about it.
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DaveKap posted:But... how? I'm speaking purely from a cinematography perspective, mind you. in the sense that i liked it a lot, mainly
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Haha okay never mind then. I was having a technical discussion.
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re: cinematography, somebody make a gif of the zombie face punch drift from the end pleasemc.schroeder posted:It would’ve been way more interesting if it had stayed entirely within the matrix ram dass in hell posted:resurrections will absolutely contribute to their legacy because it fuckin rules and all the haters are insane and wrong
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Well, speaking of the idea of side stories and having a movie entirely set in the Matrix, The best piece of Matrix media is actually that one anime short in the Animatrix where the kids play in that glitched "haunted house", realise weird poo poo is going on that they're never going to understand, but basically just laugh about it and move on The closest thing to a Zizekian third pill offered by the entire series, the constraints and bizarre idiosyncrasy of the world's boundaries become a mere curio rather than a thing to be resisted against
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VROOM VROOM posted:re: cinematography, somebody make a gif of the zombie face punch drift from the end please https://i.imgur.com/WgRfB3C.gifv Oh my god I decided to cut the cut and uhh: https://i.imgur.com/s93XJVP.gifv This is why editors are saints. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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Shortly after that (e: 1 minute and a couple seconds after that), there's one shot where Neo punches a zombie in the face from the back of the motorcycle (e: while yelling) and then the camera follows and turns 90 degrees as Trinity drifts through a crowd of zombos thinkin' about how the horror elements here are good, including the zombies. The Matrix already covered body and epistemological horror, here we have existential and solipsistic horror
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VROOM VROOM posted:Shortly after that (e: 1 minute and a couple seconds after that), there's one shot where Neo punches a zombie in the face from the back of the motorcycle (e: while yelling) and then the camera follows and turns 90 degrees as Trinity drifts through a crowd of zombos https://i.imgur.com/XBvy1X0.mp4 It's a fairly fun shot that would've been amazing were it one-shot chained to a second action. BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Well, speaking of the idea of side stories and having a movie entirely set in the Matrix, DaveKap fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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Dec 28, 2021 01:14
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I do feel bad for anyone who doesn't like Morpheus 2. He's probably the best part of the good half of this movie.
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I really like that dude in the new Candyman movie.
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Regardless of its flaws I am much happier we got this movie than the soulless boring Marvelized Matrix we would have gotten otherwise.
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The only thing that could make it better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTeXBTStek0&t=20s Inspired by the movie Demons
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ImpAtom posted:Regardless of its flaws I am much happier we got this movie than the soulless boring Marvelized Matrix we would have gotten otherwise. Can you imagine Neo turning to the camera and making a meta joke about bullet time? Or Trinity waxing poetic about brunch?
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ImpAtom posted:Regardless of its flaws I am much happier we got this movie than the soulless boring Marvelized Matrix we would have gotten otherwise. Yeah, much agreed with this.
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I assumed that once the car/motorcycle chase started then everything was heavily into CGI territory and that possibly nothing at all on the screen was real. e: and once you know you are watching Unreal Engine 5 then really the camera work is only interesting as a matter of artistic vision, not a 'how the gently caress did they make that happen?'
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DaveKap posted:https://i.imgur.com/XBvy1X0.mp4  I am appreciating the cinematography for that precise reason, there are so many cuts that one can only conclude that it is an intentional subversion of the wide-shot-long-take martial arts cinematography that defined The Matrix, ebbed during the shakeycam era, and has had a massive resurgence in the wake of The Raid etc. that it is essentially the default of the times. Now here we got John Wick preferring not to fistfight. It's fantastic. The cuts are synchronized to hits (if I were braver I would say it gives them impact), and yet the choreography is still comprehensible. You got Jackie Chan showing a single hit three times, here they show you them zero times but you can still see them. ImpAtom posted:Regardless of its flaws I am much happier we got this movie than the soulless boring Marvelized Matrix we would have gotten otherwise.
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Movie held my attention the entire time, which is more than I was expecting. Ultimately, it felt a little flat to me - lots of interesting ideas throughout with zero of the ideas getting fleshed out enough to drive the movie imo.
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Alchenar posted:I assumed that once the car/motorcycle chase started then everything was heavily into CGI territory and that possibly nothing at all on the screen was real. The action within the Matrix is not real, we are past that. Neo spends the movie casually doing cool Matrix things instead of harder, cooler martial arts things, and then at the end he does a big cool Matrix thing and it nearly gets them killed. The One awakens and immediately literally says "Bye" and flies out of the cool action entirely.
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Keanu had to train for 6 months, stretching for 8 hours a day, to do his own stunts in Reloaded and Revolutions. I can forgive the actor for not wanting to gently caress with that, but there’s no excuse for NPH and Geoff not going hog wild king fu-ing each other. Make the fuckers work for it!
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McCloud posted:This might be a stupid observation, but if they wanted to portray therapy as bad and therapists as monsters, they probably would have called NPH's character The Therapist instead of The Analyst. The Analrapist.
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Nuts and Gum posted:Keanu had to train for 6 months, stretching for 8 hours a day, to do his own stunts in Reloaded and Revolutions. I can forgive the actor for not wanting to gently caress with that, but there’s no excuse for NPH and Geoff not going hog wild king fu-ing each other. Make the fuckers work for it! See this is probably the best criticism I've seen of the film so far. Keanu was essentially resting up for JW4 with this. Throw NPH off a roof or something.
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VROOM VROOM posted:The action within the Matrix is not real, we are past that. Neo spends the movie casually doing cool Matrix things instead of harder, cooler martial arts things, and then at the end he does a big cool Matrix thing and it nearly gets them killed. The One awakens and immediately literally says "Bye" and flies out of the cool action entirely. "The action was bad on purpose" is hardly a ringing endorsement.
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Ferrinus posted:It's really no different from modern businesses wringing higher-intensity performance out of new hires by deliberately giving them imposter syndrome. Besides that nothing remotely like that is depicted in the movie, there’s a substantial difference between that and what actually is depicted: the old trope of nightmare creatures that “feed on fear.” As others have already noted, this is Monsters Inc. imagery. At best. The children in Monsters Inc. aren’t employees of the titular company, and the entire joke is that closet monsters aren’t real but are an attempt by Pixar at illustrating the concept of “psychic economy.”
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Maybe some day people will try making things good on purpose 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Besides that nothing remotely like that is depicted in the movie, there’s a substantial difference between that and what actually is depicted: the old trope of nightmare creatures that “feed on fear.” As others have already noted, this is Monsters Inc. imagery. At best. The analyst describes the key to his manipulation as "Quietly yearning for what you don’t have, while dreading losing what you do." This happens throughout the first third or so of the movie, where Neo is tantalized by Trinity (his handler pushes Neo to talk to her and stuff) but then made aware of various blocks to actually being with her (Chad). The analyst says that this kind of emotional push and pull is what keeps everyone productive and compliant, much more so than when the Matrix was just occluded from them.
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There’s also the visuals of them trying to get together and exploding when they touch. it’s a controllable amount of love energy.
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Ferrinus posted:The analyst describes the key to his manipulation as "Quietly yearning for what you don’t have, while dreading losing what you do." This happens throughout the first third or so of the movie, where Neo is tantalized by Trinity (his handler pushes Neo to talk to her and stuff) but then made aware of various blocks to actually being with her (Chad). The analyst says that this kind of emotional push and pull is what keeps everyone productive and compliant, much more so than when the Matrix was just occluded from them. Yes, but what they are producing is literally just the fear and desire. Fear energy emerges from their palms as a glowing light. There’s no step 2.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
The workers at the video game company are not the bad guy in the same way that Facebook or Amazon or google employees are the bad guys. But they are part of the system of control. Here they directly work to contain neo and help him create the matrix game as an illusion to his memories. This is reinforced by the analyst with his therapy session. But the analyst goal is quite clear: maximize profit for matrix.co by delivering content that keeps people yearning for emotional connections.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Yes, but what they are producing is literally just the fear and desire. Fear energy emerges from their palms as a glowing light. There’s no step 2. Isn't the glowing light that came out of their palms something that happened in the real world when they were mistakenly brought too close together and blew up the entire resurrection tank in a "failed experiment" flashback? That was just the same machine empathy power Neo used to mind-kill some sentinels back in Reloaded.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Yes, but what they are producing is literally just the fear and desire. Fear energy emerges from their palms as a glowing light. There’s no step 2. That’s clearly love energy. The brightest of all.
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I cannot believe they didn't run with Social Media Is The New Matrix, and your Attention makes it run instead of your Body Heat. Instead of Neo's Denied True Love. Oh well.
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I feel like that’s implicit, but definitely open to interpretation. Attention is kept because people keep looking for connections (the push and pull) but never quite make it. I see social media as being this. Liking, dems, ghosting, blocking.
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