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Dec 28, 2021 11:40
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Saw this graph. Can anyone explain to me why we're talking about temperatures in the 2-3 range?
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Dec 28, 2021 12:54
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Profits would go down if the proles knew they were already dead
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Dec 28, 2021 13:42
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Schmeichy posted:I liked the bit where they didn't listen to the main characters because they were from University of Michigan, not an ivy. They were from Michigan State, U of M is a good school.
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Dec 28, 2021 15:37
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Harik posted:one thing that's really crack-pinging me lately is that literally nothing you can buy, for any price, is made to last anymore. afaik cars today are actually more reliable they have ever been in terms of longevity, I believe the expected lifetime is 200k miles. Obviously depends on the model, but a camry or accord will last forever
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Dec 28, 2021 15:54
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Owling Howl posted:IKEA furniture is mostly compressed sawdust - a waste product and recyclable. Obviously only the unsophisticated or poor buy such things. IKEA is poo poo, there's a reason it's so cheap. Great for like, cups and plates, not so great for furniture since even a stiff breeze could knock it over.
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Dec 28, 2021 15:57
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I find that most Ikea is at least as durable as most of that plywood Mid Century Modern furniture that people like.
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Dec 28, 2021 15:58
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nomad2020 posted:I find that most Ikea is at least as durable as most of that plywood Mid Century Modern furniture that people like. If you build it with wood glue and Loctite it holds up just fine
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Dec 28, 2021 15:59
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nomad2020 posted:I find that most Ikea is at least as durable as most of that plywood Mid Century Modern furniture that people like. it would be pretty bizarre for particle board to be as durable as plywood, which is pretty much the best material you can use. also ikea stuff is generally pine which is incredibly cheap. I do have an ikea particle board dresser that I just haven't gotten around to replacing yet, and when you close the door it not only slams loudly, but the whole thing wobbles. if you want MCM stuff that will last forever, you could get things like this, incredibly expensive of course but will last until after we go extinct easily. a much better option for most people is just to find another place that refurbishes, or go on craigslist. https://www.danishteakclassics.com/shop-danish-teak/storage/
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Dec 28, 2021 16:02
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just make your furniture out of old discarded pallets like me
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Dec 28, 2021 16:08
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Bharatrocity posted:
Well as you can see temperatures lead CO2 so our relatively lower temperature should actually pull our CO2 down 
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Dec 28, 2021 16:15
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Ruggan posted:Well as you can see temperatures lead CO2 so our relatively lower temperature should actually pull our CO2 down Good. Was already half way to becoming a doomsday prepper, but that graph broke something in my brain
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Dec 28, 2021 16:23
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SKULL.GIF posted:Sometimes I pause to think about how practically every American "carpet" is plastic nowadays https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aDNPhq5ggoE I remember seeing this years ago and wondering if there really was so much plastic in the furniture, fixtures and fittings of my place. Surely I'm not living in and surrounded by plastic at all times?
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Dec 28, 2021 16:32
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Twigand Berries posted:They were from Michigan State, U of M is a good school.  Incredible
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Dec 28, 2021 16:43
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It's hilarious to me that I'm sure the logic behind superyachts is "we can always just fish for unlimited food!" this is great because it actually illustrates super graphically all the unsustainable things which will fall apart and either become completely unavailable or available only to the extreme wealthy in their climate controlled compounds and while it professes to have zero self awareness about that, come on, this is placating the proles to keep the party going and the proles know it now because we have poo poo like Don't Look Up as the MSM
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Dec 28, 2021 16:49
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The cowards disabled comments on that video and that makes me sad. I wanted to post a reference to how the Grenfell tower fire was also made possible by oil.
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Dec 28, 2021 16:51
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I had gotten cheap, unrefrigerated tortillas to make pre-xmas dinner. My mother pointed out those always used to be in the cold aisle, and asked why this was no longer true. I said gee mom let's find out, and pointed at the two phthalates in the ingrediants. "They put plastic in them now, mom, and then we cook and eat it". Usually I buy giant frozen bundles of mexican ones that just have masa in them, goofed up this time! There's no phthalates in my hair cleaner, as it proudly advertises, but, in my food? Mmmm, plastic goodness.
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Dec 28, 2021 16:51
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Ikea sucks but so does spending my entire yearly income on a solid wood end table so guess where I'm buying my furniture.
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Dec 28, 2021 17:06
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bag em and tag em posted:Ikea sucks but so does spending my entire yearly income on a solid wood end table so guess where I'm buying my furniture. what size end table are you looking for?
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Dec 28, 2021 17:08
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Ever since i started watching Alone ive been carving my own spoons out of wood... great gifts. Bought a sewing machine a few years ago, paid for itself many times over in sock repair and restoration alone. All the plastic talk in the thread is my latest crack. I knew it was plastic world but never stopped and took account of all the plastic im looking at and touching at all times. Creeps me out! Everything on earth was biodegradable until what 1900? Lol lmao
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Dec 28, 2021 17:11
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Bharatrocity posted:
the real answer is because we’re talking about a +2-3c from a recent baseline year to a specific year relatively soon in the future. Look at the X axis on that chart. The difference between now and 2050 barely could be indicated on a chart covering such a massive timescale. You stick a steak in an oven straight from the fridge and check on it 30 seconds later it’s still going to be cold.
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Dec 28, 2021 17:45
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Kicked Throat posted:. Until 1960-ish. We've set that demon free in a single lifespan.  Rime posted:I wake up and stretch, in a bed filled with plastic fibers.
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Dec 28, 2021 17:47
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ELTON JOHN posted:there is so, so much cool used furniture out there i dont know why anyone would buy new omg did you even read his post? it's RECYCLED MATERIAL!!! who cares if the delivery driver sometimes has to drive an hour to get to the store and then an hour to the customer's house?? it's recycled lol, seriously, though, it's rare for me to deliver ikea products to someone who is actually poor, it's usually trendy hipsters or ultra rich people who literally live in actual mansions the receipts are typically $500-$2000 for whatever we're delivering if you live somewhere with an active craigslist or some sort of facebook market thing, there are a lot of people who are literally just giving decent furniture away for free that will probably go to the dump in a few days if they can't get rid of it story time! i remember specifically one job where a rich customer wanted us to donate a bunch of stuff to goodwill, but they were in a hurry and didn't realize they had to call and make sure they would accept it because donations don't exactly work like "here's a pile of all my random poo poo! bye!" (probably because if you don't do that first, you're not just donating stuff but also donating a job that someone has to do sorting through your bullshit you don't want) i asked the guy "did you call goodwill to make sure they'd accept the donations?" and after realizing it would take time and effort, dude said "gently caress it, there's no time. send it all to the dump." so, naturally, me and my coworker looked through the stuff for valuable things to keep as we were loading it. (i scored a brand new, in-the-box bluetooth record player and a sweet old-school lamp, in case anyone is wondering) we stopped at a box that had a bunch of personal sentimental things like photos of old friends, and we were like "are you...sure you want to throw this away? it looks important." and the dude checked with his wife and she was like "oh! no! we need to keep that! throw away everything else tho!"  anyway, the moral of the story is that the planet is the stuff going to the dump because it's ;_; Too Much Work  to sort through everything because that would be Hard.on days we go to the dump, it is never lost on me that i'm seeing so many piles of garbage that didn't need to be wasted and that i stand in one of thousands and thousands of facilities just like that one that look like that every single day
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Dec 28, 2021 17:47
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Alobar posted:
 this is exactly how it works where I live. a constant line of soccer moms in oversized SUVs dropping off indiscriminate trash bags full of random garbage at the goodwill drop off spot (they don't have to get out, of course, the workers unload everything).
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Dec 28, 2021 18:41
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Rime posted:Until 1960-ish. We've set that demon free in a single lifespan. I know thats industrial scale and whats fifty years in humanity but bakelite/polyoxybenzylmethylenglycolanhydride fully synthetic material was made in 1907. Appreciate that plastic post it definitely made me feel warm when i first read it.
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Dec 28, 2021 18:45
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Xaris posted:the key phrase is "planned obsolescence" This whole post is v.good and thank you i wanted to discuss this part here, because i don't think it's a given. there was and is still a demand for durable goods, but there's no supply. it's a market failure, but an inevitable one in capitalism. people still pay top-dollar for things they perceive to be quality (apple products are an obvious one here) but are essentially the same as everything else on the market, and not any longer lasting than the rest. so i think there's more to it than just "people got poorer and there was a race to the bottom". there was a race to more profit at the top of the market as well, because the incessant screech of marketing drowns out all other feedback. so now there's no cost to burning a customer by selling them the same trash with a few cents of extra polish on top for 4x the cost.
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Dec 28, 2021 19:03
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500 good dogs posted:
do you live in a dense metropolis? that's where i live. the dump costs money, so if there was a big pile of stuff the goodwill couldn't give away to someone else and had to take it to the dump themselves, then they'd have to A) get it to the dump and B) pay at least the minimum fee for the dump, which is like $40-50 per load. i think that if people could send all their stuff to goodwill instead of the dump then the goodwill would basically look like what the dump looks like. i remember one job that we had, we went and picked up the stuff from the lady's house, but when we got to the goodwill it was a goodwill that doesn't accept *any* donations. and then we checked other goodwills in the city, and they were closed. then we checked the dumps, they were closed. we were in san francisco, and we found a goodwill (i think in richmond? or berkeley?) where we could just drop everything off, so we drove an hour to get there.
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Dec 28, 2021 19:21
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bag em and tag em posted:Ikea sucks but so does spending my entire yearly income on a solid wood end table so guess where I'm buying my furniture. we're in Vermont now which has no shortage of extremely affordable, decent used furniture and we're also not looking to move any time soon. That said, we have a set of 5 matching Ikea bookcases, which have survived not one not two but three moves including interstate, because they look nice and colorful and are functional and we've kept them intact and unbroken by moving them as complete assembled units wrapped and protected. They were $200-each-marked-down-to-$80, we have a poo poo ton of books, and that $400 just looks better and better the longer I go without having to come up with a new solution for the library / extra room / whatever it is at this moment in time. As far as "cheap furniture that may as well be disposable", I'd put Ikea near the top just because their policy afaik (and this is how we ended up with a bunch of it) is that they build to the toughest environmental standards of any country they sell in with the exception of adding flame retardants as required by California law in some cases. When we bought all this poo poo 10 years ago I read a bunch of stuff, and the amount of formaldehyde and other offgassing from Ikea compressed wood products beats the poo poo out of anything you're liable to find at WalMart https://www.ikea.com/us/en/files/pdf/2a/0f/2a0f5e67/ikea_restricted_substance_list.pdf We did not get a bed there, because as far as I can tell they were doing the California flame retardant poo poo in them. Since then things have changed on that front, more or less people have figured out how to meet CA needs through materials construction; Ashley furniture's poo poo is all flame-retardant free and they specifically credit a great expose by the Chicago Tribune (https://media.apps.chicagotribune.com/flames/index.html) for making that decision. We have some Ashley poo poo, it's probably full of microplastics. We have nothing but CertAPur certified mattresses for us and the kids, they are probably also full of microplastics and god knows what else but there's a pretty hard limit to how much you can control. The dinner table we have is a perfectly nice mass produced 70s hardwood table with a leaf that I happened on as a freebie, and if we ever get another one it will be because we got a nicer used one with matching chairs, and moved the current one down to the basement to replace the not-really-furniture "art table" down there. (Current incarnation of this is a piece of plywood on top of a foosball table. THIS PREVENTS FOOSBALL). Anyway, point is, I think Ikea sucks less than other purveyors of cheap furniture even if they're generally awful in terms of "just putting more poo poo into landfills/the ocean daily". Nice, lasting furniture made out of wood isn't terrible and makes sense if you're not moving around much, and if you can get stuff you like used it's both affordable and probably the best thing all around. I agree with whoever said apartments/rentals should generally be furnished; the whole market of disposable furniture and goods for people early in their careers moving around a lot is dumb as gently caress*. We bought 8 bookcases, a bedframe, a fold-up table, a wardrobe and a loveseat/ottoman at Ikea between 2009 and 2013. The bedframe survived one move but not two, the wardrobe survived two moves but not three. We still have all of the rest of it, it's all still in use, and I don't plan on replacing any of it. 5 matching green tall bookcases downstairs, 3 white ones upstairs, folding table on the porch, loveseat became couch for kid's room. None of it, at present, shows any signs of looking like poo poo or being about to fall apart. edit: our house has pine paneling as inside walls, and the 5 matching bookcases are a bright happy green shade. Some people would probably find them at odds with the general aesthetics of the house, to which I'd say "lol, lmao, gtfo". * we have never become fancy people that don't just aggressively scavenge. The dinner table was a roadside pickup, when we were early in our career literally all our furniture was Buffalo roadside scavenge or Goodwill, and we still have two pieces of furniture I can instantly think of that were roadside scavenge from Buffalo. I had a '94 Sentra sedan at the time and often I would get my weed dealer buddy with a bigass 70s wagon to help me out Cabbages and VHS has issued a correction as of 19:30 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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Dec 28, 2021 19:23
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Nothing like living in a city with a large state university. Every June you can drive around student housing dumpsters/alleys mix and match beer soaked ikea parts and make something useful. Or throw things off the bridge into the river and skip the middleman.
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Dec 28, 2021 19:29
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Kicked Throat posted:Nothing like living in a city with a large state university. Every June you can drive around student housing dumpsters/alleys mix and match beer soaked ikea parts and make something useful. Or throw things off the bridge into the river and skip the middleman. yeah, this is reflected in my last edit, this was how we lived in Buffalo and actually some of the poo poo we landed with is real-wood stuff from the 70s that's still more solid than a new thing from Ikea. My cousin worked as a caddy on LI for a while and he said the poo poo people threw away there was absolutely disgusting and he fantasized about renting a storage unit and a truck and starting an eBay business selling scavenged $600 electronics for $200. He never did it, but he did get the gently caress out of the US for points less fascist at the moment, so he's doing a'ight.
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Dec 28, 2021 19:32
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Harik posted:This whole post is v.good and thank you also they try to greatly trick people with "buyback" offers that oh yknow just give us old phone and we'll knock $100 off the price of a new iphone 15 se pro plus. i'll be honest, i don't actually know what places like apple do with old-product exchanges, but the intention is to keep it off the market. so its not purely "make the shittiest product possible" but also they don't want to make best product possible and do have ways to make people pay to buy new ones (along with extreme advertising blitz about how cool the new photo filters are! wow!)
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Dec 28, 2021 21:32
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here's a solid walnut end table for the person a few posts back https://www.dwr.com/living-side-end-tables/edge-side-table/2196418.html?lang=en_US or https://www.dwr.com/living-side-end-tables/cross-side-table/2527188.html?lang=en_US here's one that has a veneer over plywood, some mdf and some solid wood https://www.dwr.com/living-side-end-tables/arc-swivel-side-table/2530752.html?lang=en_US here's an oak one https://www.dwr.com/living-side-end-tables/bella-side-table/2514640.html?lang=en_US
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Dec 28, 2021 21:56
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For serious look at offerup / facebook marketplace / craigslist. Reasonable chance for better and cheaper furniture. Xaris posted:
At one point in time they were refurbishing them and giving them out to warranty claims. They super promise that they don't do that now after Australia fined them over it. nomad2020 has issued a correction as of 22:00 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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Dec 28, 2021 21:57
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lol yes the thing that is wasteful is using cheap replaceable pressure board instead of chopping down old woods for furniture
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Dec 28, 2021 21:58
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Trabisnikof posted:the real answer is because we’re talking about a +2-3c from a recent baseline year to a specific year relatively soon in the future. Look at the X axis on that chart. The difference between now and 2050 barely could be indicated on a chart covering such a massive timescale. Yeah, on a graph that has 450,000 years in 50,000 year time periods on it when we artificially redline carbon off the graph in <200 years the natural temperature increase process is going to be similarly accelerated but a bit more gradual. This delayed reaction gives us plenty of time to argue about it and pretend it isn't happening. As long as the blue line hasn't reached a new temperature threshold then we can claim we won't hit it. Even if the red line is in lmao territory.
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Dec 28, 2021 22:01
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A Bakers Cousin posted:lol yes the thing that is wasteful is using cheap replaceable pressure board instead of chopping down old woods for furniture I'm buying all sorts of furniture to fight climate change, it's a great carbon sink
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Dec 28, 2021 22:02
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A Bakers Cousin posted:lol yes the thing that is wasteful is using cheap replaceable pressure board instead of chopping down old woods for furniture what's neat is that US population being near stagnant, combined with people's mindless desire for "new" at all price points, means that there's a near bottomless supply of old woods furniture that can be acquired. Often very very cheaply, in a scratched etc conditon that's very easy to remediate. So easy, that it's quite practical to take this on as a cash positive side hobby, once you have an eye for what's being sold for $50 on local FB that will also sell for $150 on local FB with new paint and a better photo! 500 good dogs posted:I'm buying all sorts of furniture to fight climate change, it's a great carbon sink every time I need a new co2 tank for our kegerator, I buy an extra one, and just drop it down a 100' deep hole we dug. It's our own CCS program.
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Dec 28, 2021 22:04
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actionjackson posted:here's a solid walnut end table for the person a few posts back was your goal to show why people buy ikea furniture I get it, but the priciest end tables at Ikea are going to be like one-quarter this amount. If they fall apart every single move, that's still going to be a net gain for most people. Used furniture vs. Ikea is a way more compelling argument, but lots of people either don't want to buy used or want really specific poo poo that's hard to get if you're buying from craigslist or wherever.
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Dec 28, 2021 22:11
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Bharatrocity posted:
The interesting thing to me about this graph is that something has clearly resulted in a 300ppm spike in carbon emissions within a 10k-20k time frame, every 100,000 years, for the past 450,000 years. Then each time it dips down again and the earth enters a deep glacial period. Each historical example has peaked more or less with emissions at the level of 1960, about a century and a half after industrialization began in earnest. The dark takeaway is that the temperature side of the scale is not in lockstep with the carbon emissions, and we can extrapolate from the past spikes that the 400+ ppm we are currently sitting at will result in 10+ degrees of warming if it is sustained for any length of time without any drawdown mechanism kicking in. 
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Dec 28, 2021 22:11
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the lizard anunnaki in the holographic moon were trying to warn us about nibiru's 100,000 year orbit think sheeple
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Dec 28, 2021 22:20
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