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SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/the-hidden-and-not-so-hidden-messages-in-stanley-kubriks-eyes-wide-shut-pt-i/

quote:

When Kubrick dies in 1999, Celona is the one to break the exclusive story, reporting that Kubrick was "happy, joking, and completely at peace" before he died. Just a few months later, Celona is the first person informed of JFK Jr.'s untimely death, and breaks that story as well.

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The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

oh no a vigilant citizen link

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Just here for my monarch training

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

i wish i could blame my butterfly tramp stamp on mkultra

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

facialimpediment posted:

I'm more or less with LethalityJane on this one:

https://twitter.com/LethalityJane/status/1475686085481013248?t=JRzJxMKqbH9sI1mfkzh1XQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/LethalityJane/status/1475508634415091714?t=cSCfBPml58JsSzGqHaGuNQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/LethalityJane/status/1475505374547431425?t=VAEnZcTS2qUropHDrI___A&s=19

High likelihood that the weird CrossFit fake gym competition whatever the gently caress was standard CrossFit weird poo poo. Also a high likelihood that she thought she was marrying a conservative Republican, then Cawthorn's psychopath nazi poo poo started coming out and it became a bridge too far. And because CrossFit, she got irritated that she couldn't compete in stuff, so it all added up to divorce.

possibly horses but still very possibly zebras.

animist
Aug 28, 2018

The Saucer Hovers posted:

i wish i could blame my butterfly tramp stamp on mkultra

Surely there's some indirect sense in which they are to blame

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
"No its not the Patriots from metal gear, it's just the fitness cult freaks"

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
that chick is a babe

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-S4UvSnu20

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

i imagine the crossfit babes fit very much into the “odds are good but goods are odd” adage

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

mastershakeman posted:

that chick is a babe

can't argue that. the Russian spy story helped it make sense to me because Cawthorn is a pathetic weasel who isn't even brave enough to say he's a Nazi, how is he pulling that level of absolute baddie

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo
Russia controls the government? Okay what do you want me to do about it. Also, good. lol

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

cawthorn is also very good looking fwiw

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Does Russia have more or less sex traffickers than the American ruling class

Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010


I'm Swedish, and I think it's insane that no one ever has discussed this publicly here from what I've seen, Hammarsköld is a national hero of ours, we even put him on our largest banknote (1000 SEK)

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

Cached Money posted:

I'm Swedish, and I think it's insane that no one ever has discussed this publicly here from what I've seen, Hammarsköld is a national hero of ours, we even put him on our largest banknote (1000 SEK)

This is an aside but can I have some SEKs?

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

gradenko_2000 posted:

Does Russia have more or less sex traffickers than the American ruling class

way more, there's no consolidation

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

The Protagonist posted:

This is an aside but can I have some SEKs?

i'll allow it

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

Does Russia have more or less sex traffickers than the American ruling class

yes

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor

Cached Money posted:

I'm Swedish, and I think it's insane that no one ever has discussed this publicly here from what I've seen, Hammarsköld is a national hero of ours, we even put him on our largest banknote (1000 SEK)

how does the average sweede feel about hammerskold's possible assassination? is it more or less fringe than american JFK stuff?

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/ExileGrimm/status/1475911568021991424

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006



jfc ghislaine macaqueswell was right there :ughh:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Gorillaine Maxwell, surely

Regulus74
Jul 26, 2007
If the "epstein didn't even die" theory is true I hope they're running regular brain scans on the guy because he must have the most satiated ego in human history right now

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Hooplah posted:

jfc ghislaine macaqueswell was right there :ughh:

Orangulaine

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
I grew up on Orange Jizz Lane

Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010

Marzzle posted:

how does the average sweede feel about hammerskold's possible assassination? is it more or less fringe than american JFK stuff?

i'm pretty sure like 95% of people never even thought about it, they just know he died in a plane crash and that's it, i'd say the average person knows more about what he did when he was alive than anything about his death. JFK is not even really a fringe subject in the US as far as I can tell, doesn't something like over half the population believe that the Warren commissions conclusion is bogus? i feel like everyone has heard at least one plausible alternative theory about what happened in dallas that day.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


hammarskold and jfk have one thing in common: they made allen dulles real mad

Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010

Riot Bimbo posted:

hammarskold and jfk have one thing in common: they made allen dulles real mad

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Riot Bimbo posted:

hammarskold and jfk have one thing in common: they made allen dulles real mad

lol I just started Devils Chessboard and lmao: all of this poo poo has more or less just been out there and kinda public

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

mdemone posted:

lol I just started Devils Chessboard and lmao: all of this poo poo has more or less just been out there and kinda public

count how many times you have to put it down because you're laughing uncontrollably about something that is not in the least bit funny

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
Enough about my posts

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Hooplah posted:

jfc ghislaine macaqueswell was right there :ughh:

My... cock... swell?

Hmmmm *scribbles "Hooplah" onto a list*

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


cia as organized crime almost gave me a mental breakdown i've put a pause on reading/listening to crack ping books bc of it

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Azathoth posted:

count how many times you have to put it down because you're laughing uncontrollably about something that is not in the least bit funny

seriously, I had to stop reading it in bed because I’d get to some part and mutter “oh, gently caress off” and then my fiancée would ask what was wrong and I’d get all worked up explaining the various cracking and pingery

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Subjunctive posted:

seriously, I had to stop reading it in bed because I’d get to some part and mutter “oh, gently caress off” and then my fiancée would ask what was wrong and I’d get all worked up explaining the various cracking and pingery

I remember reading the Guatemala chapter while waiting at a very long grocery check-out line in April 2020 and an old lady tapped me on the shoulder and asked me if I was okay because apparently I was visibly breathing heavily and grinding my teeth.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

I alternate fiction and nonfiction because of this; one can only crack ping so hard before wanting to return to the familiar comforts of a fantasy novel.

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

Riot Bimbo posted:

hammarskold and jfk have one thing in common: they made allen dulles real mad

Lumumba ⤍ Hammarskjold ⤍ Kennedy ⤍ Sukarno

quote:

V
As Susan Williams writes in her book, John Kennedy was an unflinching admirer of Hammarskjold. After his death, Kennedy summoned one of his assistants into the oval office. The president told Sture Linner that, compared to Hammarskjold, he was a small man. Because, in his view, Dag Hammarskjold was the greatest statesman of the 20th century. (p. 239)

When Kennedy came into office, one of the reversals he made of President Eisenhower's foreign policy was in Congo. He had tried to make the issue of the rising tide of African nationalism part of the 1960 campaign. For he attempted to differentiate himself from his opponent Richard Nixon on the point. (See Philip Muehlenbeck, Betting on the Africans, pp. 37-41) This was a legitimate point of difference. At a National Security Council meeting, the vice-president once claimed that “some of the people of Africa have been out of the trees for only about fifty years.” Budget Director Maurice Stans replied that he “had the impression that many Africans still belonged in trees.” (ibid, p. 6) Kennedy did not at all share in this view. From at least 1957, with his powerful Senate speech on the French/Algerian crisis, Kennedy had become a staunch advocate of favoring African nationalism and liberation over the concerns of our European colonialist allies. (ibid, p. 36) For in that speech he actually stated that a true ally of France would not have done what Eisenhower and Nixon had with Algeria. Which was to either remain silent on the conflict, or even supply France with weapons. A true friend would have pointed out the folly of the colonial struggle. And then escorted France to the bargaining table to foster her exit from a hopeless and expensive civil war. (The full text of this visionary speech is in the book The Strategy of Peace, edited by Allan Nevins, pp. 66-80)

When Kennedy was inaugurated, he immediately enacted policies to carry out these differing views on Africa. As Muehlenbeck demonstrates, he did so on a number of different fronts. But the policy reversal that was done fastest was in Congo. Which he requested his first week in office. And which he approved on February 2nd. (See “Dodd and Dulles vs. Kennedy in Africa,” by James DiEugenio, Probe, Vol. 6 No. 2, p. 21) Upon hearing of this, Ambassador Timberlake sent word to Allen Dulles that Kennedy was breaking with Eisenhower, and his new program was more or less a sell-out to the Russians. When Hammarskjold got wind of the reversal, he told Dayal that they could soon expect an organized backlash to Kennedy's reformist policy. Which, in large part, backed Lumumba—not realizing he was dead—and was open to negotiations with Russia over a militarily neutralized Congo. Kennedy also opposed the secession of Katanga and was willing to cooperate with the UN in an attempt to keep Congo free and independent.

In other words, for all intents and purposes, Kennedy agreed with the outlines of what Hammarskjold was doing. To make the distinction clear, he recalled Timberlake. (ibid, p. 22) Then, in September, Hammarskjold was killed.

At this point two remarkable things occurred in the immense Congo struggle. First, former President Harry Truman made a stunning comment. He said, “Dag Hammarskjold was on the point of getting something done when they killed him. Notice that I said, 'When they killed him.' ” (Williams, p. 232) Author Greg Poulgrain later shed some light on the origins of this surprising comment. He interviewed Hammarskjold's close friend and colleague at the UN, George Ivan Smith. It turns out that Hammarskjold and Kennedy were cooperating, not just on Congo, but on the problem of the Dutch occupation of West Irian, which Indonesian leader Achmed Sukarno felt should be part of Indonesia. (Poulgrain, The Incubus of Intervention, pp. 77-78) Smith also added that Kennedy had let Harry Truman know about these discussions. Which seems logical, since Truman was the only previous Democratic president still alive.

The second remarkable development was that Kennedy decided to shoulder on with what Hammarskjold had begun in the Congo. In other words, by himself, he was going to oppose the imperialist forces of England, France, and Belgium. Which all desired to split Katanga away from Congo. And then make both states pawns for European multinational corporations. There can be very little doubt that this was Kennedy's aim. Why? Because, after Hammarskjold's demise, he went to the UN to pay tribute to his legacy. He then appointed Edmund Gullion as his ambassador to Congo.

Anyone who knows anything about Kennedy will realize, it was Gullion who first altered JFK's consciousness on the subject of the appeal of communism in the Third World. This occurred on Senator Kennedy's visit to Saigon in 1951. JFK never forgot the prediction that Gullion made at that time. Namely that France would not win the war in Indochina. When Kennedy gained the White House, he brought Gullion in as an advisor on colonial matters. And now he sent him to Leopoldville to attempt to compensate for the loss of Hammarskjold. As Richard Mahoney wrote, this indicated just how important Kennedy thought the Congo was. Because no ambassador in the entire administration had more secure access to the oval office than Gullion. (Mahoney, JFK: Ordeal in Africa, p. 108) Kennedy then went further. He made George Ball his special advisor on Congo inside the White House. Ball later became famous as the one man willing to argue against President Johnson during his disastrous escalation of the Vietnam War. But even in 1961 Ball had a reputation as something of a maverick on foreign policy.

Addressing the General Assembly at the memorial for Hammarskjold, Kennedy said, “Let us here resolve that Dag Hammarskjold did not live or die in vain.” He backed this up by having his UN delegation vote for a use of force resolution to deport the mercenaries and advisory personnel out of Katanga. (DiEugenio, p. 23) In doing so, Kennedy was militarily moving against his formal allies, the British, French and Belgians. For those nations were all paying lip service to the UN forces. But not so clandestinely, they were undermining the mission. Therefore, Kennedy was not just honoring Hammarskjold rhetorically. He was continuing his policies—and pushing the UN into following him. In fact, when hostilities broke out in Katanga with Tshombe trying to block highways used by UN troops, Kennedy told the new UN leader U Thant, who was wavering on the commitment, not to worry at all about European reaction. He would take care of that. He then said in public, these leaders should spend less time criticizing the UN and more time convincing Tshombe to negotiate a truce with the new leader of Congo, Cyrille Adoula. (Mahoney, p. 117)

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/hammarskjold-and-kennedy-vs-the-power-elite

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


DirtyRobot posted:

Lumumba ⤍ Hammarskjold ⤍ Kennedy ⤍ Sukarno

thanks for this good post

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Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010

Marzzle posted:

how does the average sweede feel about hammerskold's possible assassination? is it more or less fringe than american JFK stuff?

More fringe than JFK I'd say. The entry level conspiracy theory would probably be one of the Palme murder ones (prime minister who was killed in 86, never got cleared up, despite what the current DA would have you believe!!).

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