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LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe
Above comments tell me this was the place to find what I'm looking for.

I also like dnd sort of turn based combat, too, like Knights of the Chalice, which i thought of when I looked at the link to Shrapnel Games. (40 dollars for the steel panthers game?!!!)

I'm grabbing Partisans, it's 8 bucks on steam right now, should I get the similarly discounted DLC stuff?

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ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018

LRADIKAL posted:

(40 dollars for the steel panthers game?!!!)

they have free versions too. no idea what the full price versions have, maybe better graphics? but good graphics aren't the grognards' way

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Milo and POTUS posted:

Let's see what my copy of surivivng edged weapons says

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BiodegradableSolidBighornsheep-mobile.mp4

Huh. Not sure what that has to do with anything

Would it be the same for a spear? Would the (typically wooden) haft be furniture?


e: that post could be misread as me being an rear end in a top hat I was just referencing surviiving edged weapoins because it's funny to me ty :)

I mean, this is veering into just the specific semantics of the word “furniture” because it’s entirely anachronistic to use it to describe a sword or a halberd or whatever. The word “furniture” only pops up in the 16th century in the sense of like “tables and poo poo”, so the metaphorical meaning must come later even if I’m having trouble trivially finding a first attestation.

We’re basically not talking about what words someone who knows swords (or whatever) would use and what situations a hypothetical gun-knower would feel comfortable using firearms vocabulary in. Which is kind of moot because I bet anyone in that situation would know other more applicable words for more similar things, like knives, just by normal world knowledge. It’d require a really specific upbringing to have specific gun vocabulary but not words like “handle”, you’d have to be something like a non-native speaker who literally only used English for talking about firearms for it to happen.

Hannibal Rex
Feb 13, 2010

Randarkman posted:

Did Hitler give a single poo poo about Germany's former colonies? IIRC he was dismisse towards the notion of giving any priority to getting them back.

e: Also basically envisioning that Italy could have British and French possessions in Africa.

German plans for Africa, ca. July 1940:

Gerhard Weinberg posted:

If Italy was to occupy Northeast Africa, Germany herself would acquire a vast colonial empire in Central Africa. That empire was to include the former German colonies of Togo and Cameroons in West Africa as well as German East Africa, now to be joined into a huge contiguous Central African domain stretching from the South Atlantic to the Indian Ocean and rounded out by the inclusion of the British colony of Nigeria, the French colonies of Dahomey and French Equatorial Africa, the Belgian Congo, Uganda, the southern half of Kenya, and perhaps the northern portion of the Portuguese colonies of Angola and Mozambique. Former German Southwest Africa (now Namibia) might either be reclaimed from the Union of South Africa in exchange for the British protectorates of Bechuanaland (Botswana), Swaziland and Basutoland (Lesotho), or, alternatively, it might be left to the Union in connection with the partitioning of the Portuguese colonial empire in Africa. In either case, Germany expected to enjoy good relations with a South African state ruled in this vision by the extreme nationalist elements among those Afrikaaners who had opposed the Union’s entrance into the war in 1939 and who were and remained devoted admirers of both National Socialist ideology and its German practitioners.

Once De Gaule and the Free French started gaining support in Africa, the Nazi became pretty hands off regarding demands of Vichy French colonies, worrying that they would defect to De Gaule if push came to shove.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

LRADIKAL posted:

Above comments tell me this was the place to find what I'm looking for.

I also like dnd sort of turn based combat, too, like Knights of the Chalice, which i thought of when I looked at the link to Shrapnel Games. (40 dollars for the steel panthers game?!!!)

I'm grabbing Partisans, it's 8 bucks on steam right now, should I get the similarly discounted DLC stuff?

I don't recall any of the music as being particularly memorable, I'm definitely picking up the extra mission pack though.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
The "recommend me a game" thread would probably be helpful for this kind of discussion, too: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3196783&pagenumber=1255&perpage=20

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe
Thanks for the thread suggestions, but I wanted "this thread" kind of recommendations. We don't have to derail on these games anymore if it's too far off topic.

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

I'm looking at U-Boat loss maps by year:

https://uboat.net/fates/losses/

From 1941-1943 there are almost no losses in the immediate area of the UK, indicating that area being off limits because of all the British patrols. I know that sub captains were specifically told to go around the North Sea route and avoid the channel. However in 1944-45 the losses start piling up both in the channel and within 30-50km of the English coast once again. Did the German doctrine change or did the Allies just get better at spotting and taking out subs enroute to their patrol areas?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Gorson posted:

I'm looking at U-Boat loss maps by year:

https://uboat.net/fates/losses/

From 1941-1943 there are almost no losses in the immediate area of the UK, indicating that area being off limits because of all the British patrols. I know that sub captains were specifically told to go around the North Sea route and avoid the channel. However in 1944-45 the losses start piling up both in the channel and within 30-50km of the English coast once again. Did the German doctrine change or did the Allies just get better at spotting and taking out subs enroute to their patrol areas?

Close to the enemy coast you run way too high a risk of getting spotted by airplanes.

In 1944 Allies were doing something in the Channel that Germans thought it would be worth trying to disrupt, even at the cost of a few subs.

HisMajestyBOB
Oct 21, 2010


College Slice

ChubbyChecker posted:

they have free versions too. no idea what the full price versions have, maybe better graphics? but good graphics aren't the grognards' way

The $40 version of SP:WAW has the mega campaigns, but is otherwise identical to the free version. I'd stick with free and play some of the user-made campaigns instead. IIRC some of the mega campaigns no longer work well in the latest version.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp

LRADIKAL posted:

Hey all, I know this is the right place to ask. I want to play a cool turn based or real time tactics or a strategy PC game.

I've really liked stuff like Battle Brothers, XCOM series, Advance Wars, (there was a ww2 sci-fi squad game that started normal, but then there were mechs, can't figure out the title). I've also played a bunch of RTS and World of Tanks in my day.

I sort of searched around for some kind of tactical cover ww2/cold war game like these, and came up short. Any suggestions?

It's an old series now, but I absolutely loved the Brothers in Arms games back in the day. It's an FPS rather than an RTS, but the bulk of the gameplay is really about commanding your squad to utilize fire and maneuver tactics. Really solid game.

e:

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Nytimes had fascinating interview with 97 year old B-17 pilot who later made it big in artificial Christmas trees.

In February ‘45 he had to make an emergency landing in Poland after a raid on Berlin. They were confined by the Soviets but treated ok but the Soviets weren’t in a hurry to send them home.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/17/nyregion/bomber-pilot-christmas-trees.html

Thanks for posting this, it's a great article. It's really sad to think that the World War II generation is almost completely gone, and within a few years there won't be anyone left.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Nenonen posted:

Now I'm thinking what the Hollywood version of Soviet bomber forces would look like...

"One bomber gets machinegun, the next one gets the bombs! Attack!"

"URAAAAAAA!!!"

"No... we can't take this flak anymore... must turn back to base..."

*from clouds above dives a formation of NKVD fighter planes and shoots down the retreating planes*

I'm sure someone would show them that picture of like 100 PPSh's on a pallet for air dropping, and they would be using that poo poo for CAS in no time

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

FPyat posted:

Has suicide ever been a serious source of casualties for a military?

As an absolute number or as a proportion of total losses?

Because if the latter, yes, jeeze yes.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009846329/military-suicides-deaths-mental-health-crisis

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

PittTheElder posted:

I'm sure someone would show them that picture of like 100 PPSh's on a pallet for air dropping, and they would be using that poo poo for CAS in no time

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


FPyat posted:

Has suicide ever been a serious source of casualties for a military?

"On March 12, 2015, offices of the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) officially announced that rifles used in military service would be fitted with an enhanced trigger guard shell... ...developed to prevent TAF soldiers from committing suicide using their G3 self-loading 7.62×51mm service rifles."

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Are modern soldiers not typically issued sidearms? Have video games lied to me?? :ohdear:

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

PittTheElder posted:

Are modern soldiers not typically issued sidearms?

Lol no. That would cost money.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Acebuckeye13 posted:

It's an old series now, but I absolutely loved the Brothers in Arms games back in the day. It's an FPS rather than an RTS, but the bulk of the gameplay is really about commanding your squad to utilize fire and maneuver tactics. Really solid game.

Yeah those were really good for FPS campaign stuff. Call of Duty for grogs. The full series is twelve bucks on Steam right now too.

It shows its age but it's a really fun game all the same. The first missions from game 1 are burned into my brain. Scrambling for german weapons, glasses guy going "excusey moi parlez vous????" and blasting those osttruppen at breakfast. Hell, it even has osttruppen enemies who have russian voice lines instead of just generic germans.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

PittTheElder posted:

Are modern soldiers not typically issued sidearms? Have video games lied to me?? :ohdear:

Side arms are for officers to wave around dramatically or shoot their own men with.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

PittTheElder posted:

Are modern soldiers not typically issued sidearms? Have video games lied to me?? :ohdear:

No. Pistols aren't really good for anything other than being small enough that they fit on a helicopter pilot's ALSE vest.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

PittTheElder posted:

I'm sure someone would show them that picture of like 100 PPSh's on a pallet for air dropping, and they would be using that poo poo for CAS in no time


Yeah, that you mean? That is for CAS.

But why couldn't the bomber be doing barrel rolls to shoot down pursuing German fighters? Now that'd be Hollywood.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

drat, so it was. I remembered it being a terrible idea to use such a contraption for CAS, but mistakenly concluded it was never intended for that, instead of "we tried it, it was poo poo"

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



You gotta admire the sheer Wacky Races flair it’s got though.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
I assumed for the longest time that that image was either photoshopped or that it was some odd way of transporting a hundred submachine guns.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Troops going into Stalingrad weren't issued weapons because Stavka stuck them all in that bomb bay.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

It's actually a form of takeoff assist for short runways. Gives you a nice boost into the air

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



It’s a really, really aggressive way to remove ballast.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

VostokProgram posted:

It's actually a form of takeoff assist for short runways. Gives you a nice boost into the air

You joke but this is, apparently, theoretically possible.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

Tomn posted:

You joke but this is, apparently, theoretically possible.

I like how the most propulsive gun was this Russian thing so powerful it tended to damage both the aircraft firing and any plane within 200 meters of impact. And it's been in continuous service for 46 years.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



From that wiki entry :

quote:

The gun was noted for its high (often uncomfortable) vibration and extreme noise. The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instrument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200-meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.

For some reason the radio getting messed up is the bit that gets me. Once I actually engage the parts of my brain that think about physics it makes perfect sense, but until that point my dumb lizard-brain thinks somehow there are so many bullets that the radio-waves can't get through or something.

Letmebefrank
Oct 9, 2012

Entitled

Fuschia tude posted:

I like how the most propulsive gun was this Russian thing so powerful it tended to damage both the aircraft firing and any plane within 200 meters of impact. And it's been in continuous service for 46 years.

Paper skies made a nice vid on it and mig27. Recommended if you have 25min to spare:

https://youtu.be/m-ZePrgir4Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ZePrgir4Q

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Xiahou Dun posted:

From that wiki entry :

For some reason the radio getting messed up is the bit that gets me. Once I actually engage the parts of my brain that think about physics it makes perfect sense, but until that point my dumb lizard-brain thinks somehow there are so many bullets that the radio-waves can't get through or something.

Was the instrument panel that really nice light blue that Soviet aircraft used a lot?

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

Xiahou Dun posted:

From that wiki entry :

For some reason the radio getting messed up is the bit that gets me. Once I actually engage the parts of my brain that think about physics it makes perfect sense, but until that point my dumb lizard-brain thinks somehow there are so many bullets that the radio-waves can't get through or something.

I think it was more that the vibration of the gun firing would break things inside the radio

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
That was a big problem even with WW2 era tanks. I specifically recall Kingforce complaining that all the radios on their Churchills broke from the vibration of driving around.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe
When the AVG ended up having to buy civilian RCA radios for their P-40s they predictably had the same problem - often just the engine/airframe vibrations of start-up and takeoff would break something, and it became accepted that radio contact between planes in a formation would be lost as soon as combat began because if the G-loads of aerial manoeuvres didn't break them then firing the guns would.

It wasn't just that the RCA units were designed for civilian touring aircraft and so were light and flimsy (though that was a big part of the problem) but the radios had to be partially gutted and hacked about to fit in the brackets, wiring harness and remote control cables intended for the RAF-spec VHF radio kit.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
Weren't old-style radios full of glass tubes and other fragile elements? I can see how something from before everything was a block of solid-state transistors would be vulnerable to vibration from guns/engines/maneuvering/etc.)

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



I mean from the sound of it, the vibrations are bad enough that “being thrown hard against a wall” is a decent comparison and most random bits of technology aren’t going to do well under those conditions.

I was making fun of myself for being silly, because once you think it through the mechanism for break-downs is really obvious.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




LRADIKAL posted:

Thanks for the thread suggestions, but I wanted "this thread" kind of recommendations. We don't have to derail on these games anymore if it's too far off topic.

For a "cover game" at the platoon or company scale instead of squad, try the Close Combat series. You manage teams, MG teams, and other elements in real time. Your best entry point is the one on Market Garden, which is $3 on GOG right now. These are viscously tactical games, get used to the screams of your killed and wounded soldiers; I eventually had to give up playing them near bedtime because the ambient sound was that realistic.

https://www.gog.com/game/close_combat_2_a_bridge_too_far

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Fun Shoe
and its spiritual ancestor

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BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

FMguru posted:

Weren't old-style radios full of glass tubes and other fragile elements? I can see how something from before everything was a block of solid-state transistors would be vulnerable to vibration from guns/engines/maneuvering/etc.)

Yes. In my AVG case the planes were wired to take the RAF's TR.11 radio, which was a padded case sat on a sprung mounting bracket, within which the various other components and assemblies were also mounted on rubber or spring mounts, and with the connectors, wiring and attachments designed to take the stresses of combat flying.

The RCA units the AVG were able to get were intended for fitment to stuff like Piper Cubs, Luscombes and Fairchild Arguses. They were basically consumer household wireless radio sets with a transmitter circuit added and literally shook themselves apart when bolted into the fuselage of a 1000hp 300mph six-gun fighter.

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