|
cruft posted:TÜV is every bit as good as UL. There is nothing in North America that UL certification gets you which TÜV certification doesn't. There are like five recognized certifying agencies in the US. Their website says they do not have any certification currently though. edit: but this doesn't help the OP -- does somebody have an affordable alternative with safety certification?
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 20:43
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 05:32 |
|
|
Sonic Dude posted:I fixed your post, there. LOL The new turn indicator camera doodad also shows up when the car asks permission to change lanes, which is nice, because now Ms Cruft is noticing when it warns we're coming up on a combine harvester and we should probably change lanes like everybody else behind us. This results in me not grinding my teeth as much. What I'm trying to say is this new software update is probably going to reduce my long-term dental costs.
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 20:46
|
|
|
Yeah, it’s not like the Tesla update is life-changing in a good or bad way. I liked the old/larger font for the speed, but I also like that it’s closer to the corner (and my peripheral vision) now. I like putting my own shortcuts on the bottom, but I want more than 4. I like the blind spot camera and waypoints, but wish I could do more with adjusting how much I want to charge at each stop (or arrive with more than 0.1% battery at the destination). It’s progress, and I’ve never had a car improve after ~5 months before, so I’ll call it “pretty neat” and move on with my life.
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 21:01
|
|
|
Any time any software changes anything there are armies of people filling out online petitions to get them to change it back. It may be better, it may be worse, but I just tune it all out until the reactionary people give up on their initial outrage.
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 22:11
|
|
|
Wayne Knight posted:Any time any software changes anything there are armies of people filling out online petitions to get them to change it back. I've owned Tesla cars for over 3 years now, and I can say with confidence this is the first time a firmware update has made me wish I could revert it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 22:12
|
|
|
Sonic Dude posted:I fixed your post, there. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 22:17
|
|
|
I wish to submit the following whine for everyone's universal sympathy. Last October, we began leasing a Model S LR+. Aside from some issues with the rear right-side door that took a couple service visits to resolve, everything with the car was good, up until a couple months ago. I found that as the battery charge dropped below 50%, the car would start to reliably throw errors about the adaptive suspension, especially when accelerating. At the beginning of November, I made a service appointment for the end of the month (earliest I could get), and we continued to drive the car. I started to distrust it a bit when the car threw a low voltage error at me once in the midst of a flurry of suspension errors; as long as we kept it well-charged the errors generally wouldn't appear, so we kept it plugged in and charged to 80% all the time. Eventually the service appointment rolls around and I schlep the car over to Tarrytown. I explain the problems about the adaptive suspension and the low voltage error, they give me a clapped-out ancient Model S as a loaner, and I go home. They call me 3 days later to say it's ready for pickup, so I go back to get it. They tell me that they installed a firmware update that should resolve both issues. I am somewhat skeptical, but don't argue with the guy as I have no grounds to do so. I take the car home and everything seems fine. We charge it up to 80% and use it throughout the week without recharging it. That Sunday, my wife drives down to her parents' house about 45 minutes south of here and gets there with about 140 miles of charge on the battery. When she goes to leave, the car refuses to start with a low voltage error. She calls me for help, I say call Tesla roadside assistance, they show up and end up towing the car to the Tesla place in Springfield. This was on December 5. After 5 days, they call us down to give us a Model 3 as a loaner, which we've had since then. Our car has been with them for the last 3+ weeks with no end in sight. They have been slammed ever since the Paramus service center was shut down by flooding from Ida, so some delay is understandable, but I'd kind of like to have our own car back. On the 21st, they called me down to come pick it up, saying that they had replaced the 12V battery and the onboard charger. I get there to pick it up, the guy goes to get it. 15 minutes later he pulls it around, rolls down the window to tell me it threw the same low voltage error as before, and drives it right back into the shop. He comes out a few minutes later and hands me the loaner keycard apologetically, and back home I go without my car. I am unsure about what to do next. It seems fairly clear at this point that Tesla doesn't really know what the problem is with the car, and when I ask (weekly) if they have any updates on the car, they tell me in the nicest possible customer support way that they will tell me when they're done with the car and to not bother them. Since the car's been out of commission for nearly a month and it's less than 2 years old and under 24000 miles, I can start the NJ lemon law process, but I feel like it's kind of a dick move to do so. Should I do it?
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 22:29
|
|
|
Lol the ETA for my R1T is the second half of 2023
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 22:30
|
|
|
chutwig posted:I can start the NJ lemon law process, but I feel like it's kind of a dick move to do so. Should I do it? Pulling this on a large corp is never a dick move and why the law exists imo.
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 22:35
|
|
|
That sounds like a HVDC-side problem, I wouldn't bother with the lemon law poo poo unless you want out of the lease.
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 22:36
|
|
|
chutwig posted:Since the car's been out of commission for nearly a month and it's less than 2 years old and under 24000 miles, I can start the NJ lemon law process, but I feel like it's kind of a dick move to do so. Should I do it? Yes, you should, they’re a car company not a friend and nothing you can do to get restitution within the confines of the law is a dick move. The main issue is how you will replace it in the current market if Tesla doesn’t offer a replacement.
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 22:37
|
|
|
Wibla posted:That sounds like a HVDC-side problem, I wouldn't bother with the lemon law poo poo unless you want out of the lease. I contacted Tesla to ask about temporary lease forgiveness and they told me to go pound sand, which rubbed me the wrong way a bit, but I'm not going to make a decision out of spite.
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 22:37
|
|
|
marshmonkey posted:Lol the ETA for my R1T is the second half of 2023 Yeah, the chip shortage is pretty bad. To be fair, my ETA was in March of 2022 and they were able to cut that down by 3 months.
|
|
#
?
Dec 28, 2021 23:12
|
|
|
Is there any way to run the 3’s climate in fan only mode? I’m so used to running fan only and heated seats/steering wheel in the winter due to not minding cold weather. I’ll keep the climate on a lower temp I guess if it’s not an option
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 00:43
|
|
|
chutwig posted:I contacted Tesla to ask about temporary lease forgiveness and they told me to go pound sand, which rubbed me the wrong way a bit, but I'm not going to make a decision out of spite. Why would you feel bad about using the lemon law after having received a lemon, especially after this is how they respond to you? Presumably you signed a lease because you wanted the car you chose and configured, not some old loaner vehicle. Right?
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 01:02
|
|
|
Can you lemon law a vehicle for factory paint and body panel defects if it meets the out of service for 30 days requirement?
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 01:13
|
|
|
Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Is there any way to run the 3’s climate in fan only mode? I’m so used to running fan only and heated seats/steering wheel in the winter due to not minding cold weather. I’ll keep the climate on a lower temp I guess if it’s not an option At least as of 6 months ago when I sold mine: No It’s been requested as a feature for-ev-er.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 02:34
|
|
|
Nfcknblvbl posted:I've owned Tesla cars for over 3 years now, and I can say with confidence this is the first time a firmware update has made me wish I could revert it. I think I'm coming around to agreeing. Owned Tesla cars since 2016. On the plus side, at least it seems like they're settling on a basic notion of where everything goes on the screen, which is encouraging. I expect the next major version will bring some stuff back to the main screen. E: probably worth noting that nothing in this update rises to the level of being worth complaining about for me. It's fine, just like it's fine how in the LEAF, the option to change which phone is paired comes after the option to unpair a phone. Whatever. cruft fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Dec 29, 2021 |
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 02:56
|
|
|
marshmonkey posted:Lol the ETA for my R1T is the second half of 2023 Did you order the big battery pack? Or the lower trim? Those are being deprioritized.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 03:38
|
|
|
nope
FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Apr 6, 2022 |
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 03:59
|
|
|
chutwig posted:I contacted Tesla to ask about temporary lease forgiveness and they told me to go pound sand, which rubbed me the wrong way a bit, but I'm not going to make a decision out of spite. Friendo, use every possible tool you have to gently caress them up. It's your duty.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 04:09
|
|
|
Charles posted:Did you order the big battery pack? Or the lower trim? Those are being deprioritized. max pack
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 04:47
|
|
|
chutwig posted:I contacted Tesla to ask about temporary lease forgiveness and they told me to go pound sand, which rubbed me the wrong way a bit, but I'm not going to make a decision out of spite. I’d stick a faulty lease vehicle so far up their rear end they’d be burping windshield washer fluid. Corporations don’t have your best interest in mind. DoomTrainPhD posted:At least as of 6 months ago when I sold mine: No  You turn auto mode off, and then click the A/C button to turn the compressor off. If you mean the heat too, I’d imagine setting the set-temp to LO as well would accomplish a similar thing. It’s worth noting that IIRC the HVAC will run under certain circumstances for pack and vehicle system heating/cooling, so you can’t really force it all the way off all the time. Or am I missing something with OP’s desired behavior?
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 05:06
|
|
|
MrYenko posted:I’d stick a faulty lease vehicle so far up their rear end they’d be burping windshield washer fluid. Corporations don’t have your best interest in mind. Yeah, there's a blue "A/C" button you press, and boom, no A/C.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 05:26
|
|
|
They returned the car to me this morning after replacing the entire charging system, so fingers crossed that that fixes it. It didn't blast errors at me on the drive home, at least.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 17:55
|
|
|
The 2022 Bolt, in order to get adaptive cruise, requires the upgraded trim package that includes leather seats, which Cruft Jr, a lifelong vegetarian, finds Incredibly Gross. It also brings the price up to $36k, which is $8k less than a Model 3, which has non-yucky seats, USB ports all over, heated front and rear seats, more range, faster charging, a usable frunk, slightly better crash test results, and also The Battle for Polytopia. We can afford a Model 3 no problem. I need help understanding why, as the ones paying 100% of the sale price the car, Mr and Ms Cruft should even be considering the Bolt at this point. With Chevy not even making Bolts until February, and Tesla predicting delivery in October 2022, we actually need to move on this pretty soon. What a world.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 19:10
|
|
|
8k is actually a lot of money. It's a very significant price difference. You could take the family on a really nice two-week overseas vacation for less than that.
Speleothing fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Dec 29, 2021 |
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 19:21
|
|
|
Speleothing posted:8k is actually a lot of money. It's a very significant price difference. You could take the family on a really nice two-week overseas vacation for less than that. Well, that's actually a really good point. And I calculated wrong, it's $9k. Which is ¼ of a Bolt. cruft fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Dec 29, 2021 |
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 19:26
|
|
|
I'm likely goin to buy a Bolt after trading my Model 3 in for a Lightning. The Bolt will be perfect for grocery-getting, and luxuries like adaptive cruise won't be missed doing that, so cheapest model it is for me.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 19:28
|
|
|
Nfcknblvbl posted:I'm likely goin to buy a Bolt after trading my Model 3 in for a Lightning. The Bolt will be perfect for grocery-getting, and luxuries like adaptive cruise won't be missed doing that, so cheapest model it is for me. why not just drive the Lightning to the supermarket and save the ~$25k on the bolt (or put it towards a properly enjoyable second car)? Do you think your fast new pickup truck is too workmanlike and overpowered for grocery getting? It’s what 99.999% of pickups do all the time anyway
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 19:40
|
|
|
Just put the 25k towards bulky, manly items like shovels and bear traps.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 19:49
|
|
|
Ok Comboomer posted:why not just drive the Lightning to the supermarket and save the ~$25k on the bolt (or put it towards a properly enjoyable second car)? I don't want to fight mrs. nfck for the truck especially if it's raining and I don't want to ride my motorcycle to work. And the Bolt is enjoyable imo.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 19:54
|
|
|
Nfcknblvbl posted:I don't want to fight mrs. nfck for the truck especially if it's raining and I don't want to ride my motorcycle to work. And the Bolt is enjoyable imo. Yeah, but it’s not MX-5 enjoyable. It’s not even Fiesta ST enjoyable
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 19:58
|
|
|
Ok Comboomer posted:Yeah, but it’s not MX-5 enjoyable. It’s not even Fiesta ST enjoyable I don't think the Miata really fits since it's not going to fit 2 car seats well but an electric Fiesta ST would be pretty cool. Maybe Ford will do it some day. Until then, the Bolt's the only player in North America in its class/price point with a drivetrain that suits the topic.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 20:04
|
|
|
cruft posted:Well, that's actually a really good point. Also if BBB never materializes and the supply chain eases, GM will probably put thousands more on the hood again.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 20:11
|
|
|
Nfcknblvbl posted:the Bolt's the only player in North America in its class/price point with a drivetrain that suits the topic. The drivetrain gives handjobs?
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 20:36
|
|
|
cruft posted:The 2022 Bolt, in order to get adaptive cruise, requires the upgraded trim package that includes leather seats, which Cruft Jr, a lifelong vegetarian, finds Incredibly Gross. It also brings the price up to $36k, which is $8k less than a Model 3, which has non-yucky seats, USB ports all over, heated front and rear seats, more range, faster charging, a usable frunk, slightly better crash test results, and also The Battle for Polytopia. Leather is against my beliefs too so that's frustrating. According to the rep all trims of the Ioniq 5 have a leather steering wheel, despite the rest of the interior being vegan. I don't know if it's actually true as they don't have their poo poo together.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 20:46
|
|
|
A weakness of the Bolt is the DCFC speed. I was able to road trip it just fine but it was a little tedious on the way home sometimes. If you never plan on long trips or are ok with waiting a bit then it’s a great value
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 20:47
|
|
|
Charles posted:Leather is against my beliefs too so that's frustrating. According to the rep all trims of the Ioniq 5 have a leather steering wheel, despite the rest of the interior being vegan. I don't know if it's actually true as they don't have their poo poo together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snWw1gF5iDI&t=298s "Leatherette" appears to be their word for fake leather. kliras fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 29, 2021 |
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 20:58
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 05:32 |
|
|
The biggest argument against the M3 is basically echoes of the goon having a hell of a time with the repairs. You roll the dice with the condition of the vehicle. That and the interior experience if you like the whole "no buttons" thing or not. If your only concern is range, then you're likely looking at only the M3 because of the supercharger network, too.
|
|
#
?
Dec 29, 2021 21:06
|
|