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There’s a great book called The Myth of the Lost Cause by Edward Bonekemper, I think, that really dissects a lot of bullshit about the civil war and the confederacy.
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Dec 28, 2021 20:00
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:So gently caress you Kenney for showing me the latest Trump stupidity. Please don't shame Kenney for what he uses as a masturbatory aid.
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Dec 28, 2021 20:04
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EvilJoven posted:'The civil war wasn't about slavery' has a little bit of truth to it. It's not that the south wasn't fighting to keep slavery, it totally was. The thing is, the north didn't give a poo poo about the enslaved, they just wanted to destroy the southern states economically. People actually explicitly fought and died to free the slaves so maybe you are in fact a dumbass? Like this is kind of disgustingly ignorant EvilJoven
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Dec 28, 2021 20:20
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:I was happy pretending that Trump was out of the public eye and everyone was ignoring whatever he did now. Kenny sucks and Trump sucks but if a video of Trump saying the vaccine is good and works can convince even a few Albertan wannabe Maga types that the vaccine is safe and worth taking then that tweet was fine.
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Dec 28, 2021 20:20
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Nicholas Cage should make another National Treasure movie where they have to steal a bunch of poo poo and figure out the real reason for the civil war and whoa look at that yep it's still slavery.
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Dec 28, 2021 20:32
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Trapick posted:Nicholas Cage should make another National Treasure movie where they have to steal a bunch of poo poo and figure out the real reason for the civil war and whoa look at that yep it's still slavery. It would be described as Hollywood leftist propaganda by the apologists.
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Dec 28, 2021 22:12
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PittTheElder posted:This is utterly and completely incorrect, and I want to know which garbage Confederate sympathizer you learned it from. Which makes the intransigence and downright bloodthirst of the south to get the war going a real marker of their insanity. When you sit atop an indefensible atrocity, you apparently start to take every action, even compromises and accommodations, as insults for not affirming your absolute right to brutalize and enslave those beneath you. Most of the northern leadership was willing to help them or compromise with them at the outset. Eventually that gave way as they kept on killing, especially in the west where the confederates really demonstrated what a bunch of craven cutthroat psychopaths they were.
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Dec 28, 2021 23:43
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwHQYDqf6c
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Dec 29, 2021 00:42
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EvilJoven posted:'The civil war wasn't about slavery' has a little bit of truth to it. It's not that the south wasn't fighting to keep slavery, it totally was. The thing is, the north didn't give a poo poo about the enslaved, they just wanted to destroy the southern states economically. Wow, Alberta's new educational curriculum sure hit people fast, huh?
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Dec 29, 2021 00:44
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Oh boy can’t wait to check out the CanPol discussion on *checks notes* the American Civil War. Truly we are America’s hat. Just gonna go back to watching a Heritage Minutes marathon while I wait to die of Covid so our capitalist overlords aren’t inconvenienced. Who cares what doctors think we have shopping to do! ChickenDoodle fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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Dec 29, 2021 00:51
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In all fairness, endorsing and supporting the slaveholding south in the Civil War is quite authentically Canadian.
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Dec 29, 2021 00:57
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What the gently caress. Do you really think that this is me loving endorsing slavery? loving hell. Just because I was taught that the abolitionist movement, which yes did have a LOT of sincere supporters, didn't receive mainstream support from capital and government until there was self serving motivation to do so, doesn't mean that I think that slavery was a good thing. Holy poo poo what the gently caress is wrong with you.
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Dec 29, 2021 01:06
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EvilJoven posted:What the gently caress. Do you really think that this is me loving endorsing slavery? loving hell. Just because I was taught that the abolitionist movement, which yes did have a LOT of sincere supporters, didn't receive mainstream support from capital and government until there was self serving motivation to do so, doesn't mean that I think that slavery was a good thing. Holy poo poo what the gently caress is wrong with you. It is a joke about the Canadian aristocracy. Chill.
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Dec 29, 2021 01:14
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I feel that there's a nugget of truth to your overall point; iirc when the Civil War broke out initially Lincoln's priority was keeping the union together and perhaps if cooler heads prevailed in the South and the south reached out quickly for backsies maybe/probably Lincoln would've accepted a return to the status quo; but what your post ends up doing Joven is vastly oversimplify the web of motivations involved, especially as the war progressed. Lincoln's views in particular shifted as the war went on, so it wasn't really about especially by the end, I think you misinterpreted the Emancipation Proclamation, a temporary wartime measure to free the slaves in occupied southern territory as a means of harming the South's ability to continue the war; with the overall goals and motivations of the Union which absolutely shifted towards not just winning the war but also ending slavery once and for all. Lincoln's coalition governed a wide array of view points from more conservative interests preferring to end the war quickly and if it means accepting slavery's continued existence in the south for longer to radical abolitionists who wanted to pass the abolition amendment by hell or high water. What you wrote was reductionist and as a result makes glaring errors.
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Dec 29, 2021 01:22
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Lincoln had to abolish slavery because he knew that black people were being farmed as food by a vast network of vampire overlords. I learned all about it in a movie.
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Dec 29, 2021 01:28
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Bleck posted:Lincoln had to abolish slavery because he knew that black people were being farmed as food by a vast network of vampire overlords. I learned all about it in a movie. is this the new matrix movie? the arse is out of her here on PEI 
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Dec 29, 2021 02:50
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mik posted:is this the new matrix movie? Like many other place, it seem the curve is getting flat. Just on a different axis.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:07
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mik posted:is this the new matrix movie? There's a movie out there called Lincoln the Vampire slayer or something, based on a book.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:13
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So we’re all going to get it, right? Testing can’t even keep pace with the levels that are actually out there, cant get rapid kits fast enough, evading vaccines everywhere and not a peep about lockdowns Lets hope it is in fact less lethal because this time we are truly hosed
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Dec 29, 2021 05:27
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ChickenDoodle posted:Oh boy can’t wait to check out the CanPol discussion on *checks notes* the American Civil War. We are the lesser partner in their extractive resource cartel. They are the oil boss we are the minerals man, and we rely on their muscle for securing our largess abroad.
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Dec 29, 2021 05:30
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:So we’re all going to get it, right? Testing can’t even keep pace with the levels that are actually out there, cant get rapid kits fast enough, evading vaccines everywhere and not a peep about lockdowns I take it as a given that I will get Omicron at some point in the near future, despite use of PPE and vaccination and testing. Fortunately, the severity does seem milder for people who have been vaccinated. The next mild upper airway illness we all get is likely to be a covid infection as opposed to a rhinovirus. However, it can still be just as severe in the unvaccinated as wild-type. Given the infectiousness, a reasonable assumption is that everyone who isn't vaccinated will get infected in the next month or two, the hospitals and ICUs will fill up again, and our health care system will collapse. Er, more so than it already has.
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Dec 29, 2021 05:41
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Albino Squirrel posted:What limited evidence I've seen is that omicron is anywhere from 100% to 400% as infectious as delta. I saw something one of my ID colleagues posted showing an R0 of 18, which is "measles bad." The likelihood of a breakthrough seems in part related to the length of time from your previous vaccination as antibody titres drop; this would be a great time to get boosted if you haven't and if you're able to. Luckily a large chunk of the unvaccinated probably have already had it at some point and Canada is hitting 90% vaccinated which is pretty good Victoria has had an outbreak for the last couple of weeks but fingers crossed, the numbers of hospitalisations still seems to be low. I also feel I will get it at some point.
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Dec 29, 2021 06:57
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Yeah with the local positivity closing in on 20% and the apparent extreme transmissibility it seems like a foregone conclusion that I'll get it. Booster is scheduled but I figure I'll probably get it the instant curling starts up again.
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Dec 29, 2021 07:12
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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The two main drive in test sites in Vancouver are shut down at the moment for what they're saying are weather reasons. I can see VCH not being set up to have personnel working outdoors in -10 or worse temperatures. They've opened a site at UBC where you can go and they give you a rapid test. So, basically, the numbers out of one of BC's health regions are not amazing at the moment, since it's based mostly on lower accuracy self administered tests where you have to report your result yourself to have it added to the numbers. Also, figuring out where was open was not all that obvious, honestly. In a week things went from no rapid test availability to only raid test availability.
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Dec 29, 2021 07:42
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Oh hey, and BC isn't reporting rapid test results at all: https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-s-move-to-more-rapid-testing-could-undermine-ability-to-manage-pandemic-response-say-scientists Basically, BC is above their PCR test capacity, they are giving out rapid tests and having people report the results to allow contact tracing, but those numbers aren't being added to the counts if they're reports. It also doesn't seem like contact tracing is necessarily happening because there's no way to reasonably ramp up to allow to a couple of hundred percent of the contract tracing they needed a couple of weeks ago. You can also look at the case counts and see Vancouver Coastal flatten out as the drive in clinics closed, while Fraser Health kept accelerating upward. So there's definitely undercount above and beyond that implied by thee huge positive test rate.
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Dec 29, 2021 08:20
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T.C. posted:The two main drive in test sites in Vancouver are shut down at the moment for what they're saying are weather reasons. I can see VCH not being set up to have personnel working outdoors in -10 or worse temperatures. Yeah I'm pretty sure the other issue with the VCH sites is having people queue outside in -10 for up to five hours. poo poo is a bit of a mess right now. Edit: but, uh, I just opened that article, and the "scientists" they're citing are Jens von Bergmann and his crew of mathematician-activists. They do some interesting work, but they kinda have a reputation for throwing generalist data analysis skills at any problem they see, without ever bothering to consult domain experts. Any time you see an "independent group of scientists" being quoted by the news, it should come with the by-line "scientists opining on topics far outside their actual field of expertise". Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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Dec 29, 2021 10:02
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah with the local positivity closing in on 20% and the apparent extreme transmissibility it seems like a foregone conclusion that I'll get it. Booster is scheduled but I figure I'll probably get it the instant curling starts up again. Same here. Gonna be a long two weeks before I get mine, but it seems like no one around me is taking this seriously. Hopefully the worst that'll happen to me is I'll feel horrible for two weeks and then recover completely. I'd rather not spend the rest of my life with a mental fog as I kind of need my brain to make a living.
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Dec 29, 2021 17:15
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T.C. posted:Oh hey, and BC isn't reporting rapid test results at all: Anecdotally, I know a lot of people getting sick and isolating without testing, but no-one got anything worse than a heavy cold like symptoms. The hospitals here still seem fine as well so.... fingers crossed? Def only a matter of time until I get it, I haven't done anything fun in weeks, but I still have to go to the grocery store etc and this thing is so contagious
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Dec 29, 2021 17:26
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:So we’re all going to get it, right? Testing can’t even keep pace with the levels that are actually out there, cant get rapid kits fast enough, evading vaccines everywhere and not a peep about lockdowns We'll all get some version of it, be it omicron, the one after that, the one after that etc. Which is fine. People who have had it before will be more resistant to it the next time around and hopefully less scared and inclined to panic the next time there's a spike in case numbers.
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Dec 29, 2021 21:11
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Count Roland posted:We'll all get some version of it, be it omicron, the one after that, the one after that etc.  having had severe delta is only making me more scared and panicky about omicron and our utter failure to deal with it "everyone's gonna get it" thanks public health, i don't want to get a week on a loving ventilator again
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Dec 29, 2021 21:21
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poo poo just got real World Juniors got cancelled
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Dec 29, 2021 21:53
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Arivia posted:
Can you talk about your experience?
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Dec 29, 2021 22:17
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MA-Horus posted:poo poo just got real https://twitter.com/chrismpeters/status/1476266924627709953?s=20 VERY funny mental images of the type of wedding going on at a hotel in Red Deer in late December during a pandemic
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Dec 29, 2021 22:25
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terrorist ambulance posted:VERY funny mental images of the type of wedding going on at a hotel in Red Deer in late December during a pandemic Hey, it's a very special occasion when a brother and a sister love each other very much...
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Dec 29, 2021 22:28
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PT6A posted:Hey, it's a very special occasion when a brother and a sister love each other very much... i paid full price for this wedding dress by carhartt, no way i ain't havin my special day
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Dec 29, 2021 22:34
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terrorist ambulance posted:i paid full price for this wedding dress by carhartt, no way i ain't havin my special day And at the reception, the bride serves roast lamb to take care of the "other woman."
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Dec 29, 2021 22:37
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Poodlebear posted:Can you talk about your experience? if you check my post history here and in cspam's covid thread you'll find a bunch of posts i've already made about what it was like
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Dec 29, 2021 22:42
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terrorist ambulance posted:VERY funny mental images of the type of wedding going on at a hotel in Red Deer in late December during a pandemic Alls i knows is, somebody's getting their stolen truck back tomorrow with "Just Merried" spraypainted on the tailgate.
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Dec 29, 2021 23:11
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MA-Horus posted:poo poo just got real I'm up in Northern Ontario and folks are apoplectic over this.
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Dec 29, 2021 23:26
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flashy_mcflash posted:I'm up in Northern Ontario and folks are apoplectic over this. We are an unserious country. If you're having a tantrum about a hockey tournament being cancelled -- for any reason, frankly, but especially a good reason -- you should consult a proctologist to relocate your head.
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Dec 29, 2021 23:33
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